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On November 17 2011 06:51 matiK23 wrote:
Don't they decide on the bill today?
It's funny how a game changing bill like this just flies under the radar. I think people, including me, are way too content (maybe brainwashed?) to notice these things.
thats what I was saying in my earlier post page 9. The struggle doesn't ever go away because you get tired or too content. The struggle always exists because man always exists, and its an inherent defect of man to continually seek power and control, even when it is truly detrimental to the whole of man and thus to the singular man desiring said power.
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the US wants to be china ?
I gues they're scared of it's own population now after seeing what internet did to the countries in the middle east and the "occupy wall street" movements that are spreading like a plague.
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anons should take it upon themselves to get people jailed for the term if this thing passes. Going after popular sites and people and forwarding it to authorities, forcing the authorities to act would be a step in the right direction. Either they don't act, and we can prove that the punishment is partial and thus unfair and unjust, or they do act, and it will galvanize all the fanboys into protest and tearing down the law (hopefully via legal means/pressure). idra behind bars. How many people would protest and send hate mail to the government then?
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If this happens...
It's lights out for EVERYTHING on the computer, including E-Sports. My god.
I wonder was Anon will do... still busy with facebook? lol?
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On November 17 2011 07:24 Humanfails wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 06:51 matiK23 wrote:
Don't they decide on the bill today?
It's funny how a game changing bill like this just flies under the radar. I think people, including me, are way too content (maybe brainwashed?) to notice these things. thats what I was saying in my earlier post page 9. The struggle doesn't ever go away because you get tired or too content. The struggle always exists because man always exists, and its an inherent defect of man to continually seek power and control, even when it is truly detrimental to the whole of man and thus to the singular man desiring said power.
Adam just had to eat that apple huh?
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On November 17 2011 07:41 matiK23 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 07:24 Humanfails wrote:On November 17 2011 06:51 matiK23 wrote:
Don't they decide on the bill today?
It's funny how a game changing bill like this just flies under the radar. I think people, including me, are way too content (maybe brainwashed?) to notice these things. thats what I was saying in my earlier post page 9. The struggle doesn't ever go away because you get tired or too content. The struggle always exists because man always exists, and its an inherent defect of man to continually seek power and control, even when it is truly detrimental to the whole of man and thus to the singular man desiring said power. Adam just had to eat that apple huh?
Im on that sliding scale of agnostic or atheism, not sure it tends to change daily based on whether Im currently reading Nietzsche or Lao Tzu, but if we take the bible as a set of analogies and aphorisms just like "mystical" Asiatic philosophies and/or religions, yes you could say he just had to.
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A bit of an update here.
Looks like the primary sponsor of the bill is having second thoughts.
From the article:
“I’m not a technical expert on this,” the chairman of the committee said, adding moments later: “I’m trying to ferret this out.” When he introduced the package last month, however, he pronounced that the bill was needed because “Rogue websites that steal and sell American innovations have operated with impunity.”
In a marathon, 3.5-hour hearing before the 38-member House Judiciary Committee, lawmakers debated among themselves and with a panel of six witnesses, five of which favored the Stop Online Piracy Act. The committee took no immediate action, but it was apparent that the 79-page measure is likely to be amended, in no small part, due to a backlash from the tech community.
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On November 17 2011 07:12 TempusDESU wrote:
I read somewhere that Americans could still access the blocked websites by typing in the domain's IP address. No idea where the source is; anyone got any idea?
yes, theyre only removing the "link" between DNS and IP.
for example you could say to your friend, come to my house. your friend knows that "my house" = your address. but even if they didnt, they could still get to your house if they had your address..
google.com = xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (some IP address)
its the same for every site on the net. if you know the ip address of the server you can go to it without the domain. so, this wont stop pirates. people who want to go to piratebay or demonoid will just use the IP instead.
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On November 17 2011 02:51 Resonance wrote:
So, if you want to see this hopefully veto'd email you local Democratic(NOT Republican for very obvious reasons) senator and house representative, and tell him/her to remind Obama of what he said to the dictatorships regarding censorship.
Tell Democratic people, for the simple reason of they have no choice but to make a passing mention to the president, else their seat may be lost in the next elections for not keeping to their word.
That is actually quite silly, dont pick and choose who to send a petition to. Send it to everyone, you dont know who is on the fence or if someone is on our side, why not push them that much more.
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I understand...This bill won't pass. And no, this isn't a Republican vs Democrat type of bill, so definitely defend your internetz.
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When will people of our generation start working with politics? Because I think atleast 90% of people between 20-30 are criminals for either smoking weed or downloading music or movies. Surely if a legit candidate who wanned to legalize those things would run for president he would get a lot of support, no?
I dunno, I just think governments in a lot of countries come up with some really stupid shit all the time.
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Why would you want to legalize the download of music and movies for free? The artist you are downloading from would never get enough money for how much their work is being downloaded. This is just a terrible way to stop this because its not making anything new illegal, its just making the punishments much worse.
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On November 17 2011 08:34 Gnax wrote:
When will people of our generation start working with politics? Because I think atleast 90% of people between 20-30 are criminals for either smoking weed or downloading music or movies. Surely if a legit candidate who wanned to legalize those things would run for president he would get a lot of support, no?
I dunno, I just think governments in a lot of countries come up with some really stupid shit all the time.
Speaking of coming up with really stupid shit...
Smoking weed and downloading music/movies are two different things. Weed may be legalized in the future but downloading music/movies never will be legalized. You realize that is stealing and it would then give NO incentive for people to produce music/movies?
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On November 17 2011 08:39 Zodiac7777 wrote:
Why would you want to legalize the download of music and movies for free? The artist you are downloading from would never get enough money for how much their work is being downloaded. This is just a terrible way to stop this because its not making anything new illegal, its just making the punishments much worse.
its only in recent times that artists have had regular sources of money before their death. Only the greatest knowns in the old world had a big income. The lesser knowns who tend to die before they make it big are usually as poor as everyone else. Seems to be the goalposts have stayed the same, and only the reasons have changed, thanks to technology.
On November 17 2011 08:39 Gatored wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 08:34 Gnax wrote:
When will people of our generation start working with politics? Because I think atleast 90% of people between 20-30 are criminals for either smoking weed or downloading music or movies. Surely if a legit candidate who wanned to legalize those things would run for president he would get a lot of support, no?
I dunno, I just think governments in a lot of countries come up with some really stupid shit all the time. Speaking of coming up with really stupid shit... Smoking weed and downloading music/movies are two different things. Weed may be legalized in the future but downloading music/movies never will be legalized. You realize that is stealing and it would then give NO incentive for people to produce music/movies?
If the end result is profit, then they are not a true artist. Not being a true artist, yes they will quit if they have no incentive to produce. The true artists are the ones who write that book, make that music, create that movie script, not because of monetary goals, but because they have it in them to create and want to produce it. Thats what separates good artists from bad. Those who have a passion for creating for its own sake create superior works. Those who's passion is money will create piles of crap.
If anything, what you're saying coincides rather neatly with an idea of a new golden age of movies/music. The crap will be gobbled up illegally and crappy "artists" will stop making their stuff because the money incentive is gone. The real artists will continue to make masterpieces and the intelligent population will roundly support them and pay them their true dues and worth.
I think you've convinced me to start pirating.. LOL. Down with Micheal bay and other fail movie makers.
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On November 17 2011 08:39 Gatored wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 08:34 Gnax wrote:
When will people of our generation start working with politics? Because I think atleast 90% of people between 20-30 are criminals for either smoking weed or downloading music or movies. Surely if a legit candidate who wanned to legalize those things would run for president he would get a lot of support, no?
I dunno, I just think governments in a lot of countries come up with some really stupid shit all the time. Speaking of coming up with really stupid shit... Smoking weed and downloading music/movies are two different things. Weed may be legalized in the future but downloading music/movies never will be legalized. You realize that is stealing and it would then give NO incentive for people to produce music/movies?
Yeah I realize the problem there with music/movies. But the problem is that buying DVD's and CD's is way too expensive to be worth it today. If you ask me there should be another way to deal with the filesharing problem than to illegalize it, when only a small part of the "criminals" are going to get punished for it.
Not many people actually buy CD's and listen to them all the time, they would get bored with it after a while, and turn on the radio. But problem is that there are no good radio stations for many people who have a non popular taste.
Music streaming services is where it's at today. That's what people want, and need. If only the music industry would support them and stop producing CD's, to sell for ridiculous prices, just so people can have them in their dusty bookshelves.
Listen musicians, I don't want to download your fucking album, but I have to because your record company doesn't sell the rights to any music streaming service, so fuck it.
EDIT: I would be happy to pay a fair amount of money every month to have all the music available as long as I still pay a fixed amount every month, just like I am happy to pay for telephones services to be able to call everyone, and pay for internet services to be able to have acces to the whole internet.
And then the music streaming services and musicians can figure out who gets how much of my money based on what I listen to. I shouldn't have to buy fucking CD's before I even know what it sounds like.
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On November 16 2011 00:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
no way this will happen.
I really hope it doesn't. But I'm not going to be anywhere near shocked when it passes.
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On November 17 2011 07:41 matiK23 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2011 07:24 Humanfails wrote:On November 17 2011 06:51 matiK23 wrote:
Don't they decide on the bill today?
It's funny how a game changing bill like this just flies under the radar. I think people, including me, are way too content (maybe brainwashed?) to notice these things. thats what I was saying in my earlier post page 9. The struggle doesn't ever go away because you get tired or too content. The struggle always exists because man always exists, and its an inherent defect of man to continually seek power and control, even when it is truly detrimental to the whole of man and thus to the singular man desiring said power. Adam just had to eat that apple huh?
well steve jobs marketed it well!
signed, we gotta do this
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This needs to be sticked by the mods.
Also can I help in any way even though I do not live in the USA?
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Just wrote my representatives, although New Hampshire isn't exactly worth a lot in the House.
Subject: Say NO to PROTECT IP and SOPA for the sake of our economy and free speech
I am a constituent and I strongly urge you to do everything in your power to prevent PROTECT-IP and SOPA from becoming law. These bills, in their current form, allow for the blacklisting and revenue blocking of any website within five days, without any form of due process, if it is even suspected that the site may be aiding in copyright infringement. This is an outright malicious grab at total control of the Internet by big media companies, under the guise of "anti-piracy" as with every other sleazy legal move they make despite posting record profits and continually violating consumers' legal rights.
The measures proposed by this bill are so drastic that not only could they easily be used to usher in an era of complete corporate control of information on the Internet, but they would permanently scar America in the eyes of the rest of the world as an unsafe place to do business online. If people knew that their website could be cut off in five days at the whim of any competitor, and that websites hosted in their own country could be targeted if they were deemed relevant to American interests, it would be insanity to attempt to do any kind of business or exchange with Americans.
Additionally, the removal of the "safe harbor" provisions of the DMCA would immediately end the era of user-content-driven websites such as Facebook, Youtube, Justin.tv, and others. To put it simply, it is not reasonable to hold content providers responsible for user content without being notified of violations well before action is taken. It is quite literally impossible for these services to monitor millions or billions of user works for copyright violations. If PROTECT-IP and SOPA come to pass, they would likely cause trillions in economic damage, both immediate and in the prevention of new companies from emerging.
These bills MUST have at least the following revisions made, or they will effectively destroy America's place on the Internet and through their international reach and political implications likely destabilize the entire world in a dramatic fashion.
-Fair and reasonable time to evaluate and remove offending content or prepare a response
-Serious deterrents to false claims/takedown requests
-Content hosts retain legal immunity if they respond to requests and take down offending content
-Court review on a case-by-case basis before blacklisting of an entire site (DUE PROCESS)
-Provisions to assure foreign and domestic businesses that they will not be ruined over technicalities and single violations, only intentional and widespread violation of American copyright
The Internet is the one truly free public and international forum left to us. Do not make the mistake of allowing a few companies to buy it out with billions of dollars in lobbying--the same companies that time and time again complain of unspeakable damages coming from new technology because of the potential to copy content, then profit massively off them. The damage to our economy and reputation alone from constricting the Internet is NOT worth it.
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