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Humanfails
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
224 Posts
November 16 2011 20:44 GMT
#181
On November 16 2011 11:06 aimaimaim wrote:
Why are the people in the USA letting their goverment run their nation? You guys are suppose to be running the nations .. those political figures are only representative .. This is fucked up.



its a representative democracy. I used to have a link for youtube that talked about it, but basically, you hire someone, who has their own opinions and views about how things should be run, to try to pass or block bills and laws that they THINK you want or don't want. It's not direct democracy. Which means that If you're in a store, they have a list of the food you want, and they have their own list. They buy anything that happens to connect between your list and theirs, so you get a fraction of what you wanted. As an analogy.
Gatored
Profile Joined September 2010
United States679 Posts
November 16 2011 20:45 GMT
#182
Just sent an email thanks for the heads up on this. What a ridiculous bill. Makes me so angry.
Rarkon
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada51 Posts
November 16 2011 20:53 GMT
#183
For all those people saying there is no way this law would pass, I think it is important to email your representative anyways. If nothing else it will make them think twice before considering a similar law in the future.
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 20:56:55
November 16 2011 20:55 GMT
#184
On November 17 2011 05:44 Humanfails wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 11:06 aimaimaim wrote:
Why are the people in the USA letting their goverment run their nation? You guys are suppose to be running the nations .. those political figures are only representative .. This is fucked up.



its a representative democracy. I used to have a link for youtube that talked about it, but basically, you hire someone, who has their own opinions and views about how things should be run, to try to pass or block bills and laws that they THINK you want or don't want. It's not direct democracy. Which means that If you're in a store, they have a list of the food you want, and they have their own list. They buy anything that happens to connect between your list and theirs, so you get a fraction of what you wanted. As an analogy.

Additionally, most people are not tech savvy enough to scrape EFF, ACLU, and other organizations (they've never heard of) blog/tweet it to your Internet friends (they have none and do not know how to tweet).

These important issues are NOT well discussed in mainstream news (television & print). This is intentional.

When elections roll around, incumbent politicians pretend like they've been angels and looked out for your interests, but anyone who has done their homework knows otherwise. Sadly, these incumbents get reelected.
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 21:09:24
November 16 2011 21:08 GMT
#185
TL should spotlight or put the "censored" banner over their masthead temporarily to raise awareness. Between TL & the streaming sites there is so much "IP" getting thrown around.
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
driftme
Profile Joined June 2010
United States360 Posts
November 16 2011 21:30 GMT
#186
On November 17 2011 05:55 mmp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 05:44 Humanfails wrote:
On November 16 2011 11:06 aimaimaim wrote:
Why are the people in the USA letting their goverment run their nation? You guys are suppose to be running the nations .. those political figures are only representative .. This is fucked up.



its a representative democracy. I used to have a link for youtube that talked about it, but basically, you hire someone, who has their own opinions and views about how things should be run, to try to pass or block bills and laws that they THINK you want or don't want. It's not direct democracy. Which means that If you're in a store, they have a list of the food you want, and they have their own list. They buy anything that happens to connect between your list and theirs, so you get a fraction of what you wanted. As an analogy.

Additionally, most people are not tech savvy enough to scrape EFF, ACLU, and other organizations (they've never heard of) blog/tweet it to your Internet friends (they have none and do not know how to tweet).

These important issues are NOT well discussed in mainstream news (television & print). This is intentional.

When elections roll around, incumbent politicians pretend like they've been angels and looked out for your interests, but anyone who has done their homework knows otherwise. Sadly, these incumbents get reelected.


Exactly. Probably only 10% of the population even knows about this bill. I know that statistic holds true among me and my friends, and most of my friends are very tech-savvy. Thats scary.

Do you really think mainstream media will cover a bill that they want to get passed, when the majority of the general population would object to it?
driftme
Profile Joined June 2010
United States360 Posts
November 16 2011 21:32 GMT
#187
On November 17 2011 06:08 mmp wrote:
TL should spotlight or put the "censored" banner over their masthead temporarily to raise awareness. Between TL & the streaming sites there is so much "IP" getting thrown around.


Agreed. Mods.... get on board =] I can understand if you don't want to back political agendas or parties, but this can really affect TL in a negative way, and indeed the whole gaming community. TL could be targeted for the wealth of information and videos relating to starcraft/games that are linked on here.
zyzski
Profile Joined May 2010
United States698 Posts
November 16 2011 21:34 GMT
#188
you would get more hits if you made the title something more readable
TYBG
KoTakUEurO
Profile Joined May 2011
605 Posts
November 16 2011 21:35 GMT
#189
I highly doubt this will pass to be honest. Anyhow, try your best to get the rest of the population informed about this.
Also. if you haven't already, sign this petition:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet/?slideshow
gogogo, for the sake of freedom!
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
November 16 2011 21:36 GMT
#190
Sent an e-mail to the retard in office in Georgia that supports it.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
November 16 2011 21:45 GMT
#191
http://www.tumblr.com/protect-the-net

Tumblr scared me, the initial dashboard when you log on is greyed out lol.

This link asks for your number, address, and zip code and then will call you, give you talking points, and redirect the call to your representative where you tell them "yeah fuck dont vote on that bill".

glhf ^^
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
driftme
Profile Joined June 2010
United States360 Posts
November 16 2011 21:48 GMT
#192
Section 104 of SOPA gives legal immunity to any service provider, payment network provider, Internet advertising service, advertiser, Internet search engine, domain name registry, or domain name registrar for voluntarily taking action against websites dedicated to infringement.

Thats the really scary part.... Especially considering so many of the large ISPs are also owned by content providers... Time Warner, Comcast, etc... do we really want to grant them legal immunity for this? They could take down competitors and there would be no legal remedy.
matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
November 16 2011 21:51 GMT
#193
Don't they decide on the bill today?

It's funny how a game changing bill like this just flies under the radar. I think people, including me, are way too content (maybe brainwashed?) to notice these things.
Without a paddle up shit creek.
Zionner
Profile Joined April 2010
Scotland112 Posts
November 16 2011 21:53 GMT
#194
is it just me, or is this sort of really worrying legislation turning up a lot more frequently than it use to. I mean it was only a month or so ago since the last outrage like this was revealed.
For the Swarm!
Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
November 16 2011 21:54 GMT
#195
On November 17 2011 06:48 driftme wrote:
Section 104 of SOPA gives legal immunity to any service provider, payment network provider, Internet advertising service, advertiser, Internet search engine, domain name registry, or domain name registrar for voluntarily taking action against websites dedicated to infringement.


Look at how bad the wiretapping immunity was abused.
driftme
Profile Joined June 2010
United States360 Posts
November 16 2011 22:02 GMT
#196
On November 17 2011 06:51 matiK23 wrote:
Don't they decide on the bill today?

It's funny how a game changing bill like this just flies under the radar. I think people, including me, are way too content (maybe brainwashed?) to notice these things.


No, there's a hearing of the House Judicial Committee today regarding SOPA - they'll decide if it comes to vote. Most bills die at that stage.. lets hope this one is no exception! Unfortunately, PROTECT-IP made it through committee, but has been blocked by Sen. Wyden (WA) temporarily.

And the reason it flies under the radar is because the major content companies want it to =]
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
November 16 2011 22:09 GMT
#197
On November 17 2011 06:53 Zionner wrote:
is it just me, or is this sort of really worrying legislation turning up a lot more frequently than it use to. I mean it was only a month or so ago since the last outrage like this was revealed.

This is true but that bill got turned down pretty damn fast. I think alot of major corporations are against this bill too. Chances of it passing are like 0.01%
Maruprime.
TempusDESU
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia87 Posts
November 16 2011 22:12 GMT
#198
I read somewhere that Americans could still access the blocked websites by typing in the domain's IP address. No idea where the source is; anyone got any idea?
I need a new quote :S
Kovaz
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 22:18:11
November 16 2011 22:17 GMT
#199
The firefox homepage has a link to http://www.mozilla.org/sopa, so basically every firefox user should know about this by now.
Humanfails
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
224 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 22:22:20
November 16 2011 22:21 GMT
#200
On November 17 2011 06:48 driftme wrote:
Section 104 of SOPA gives legal immunity to any service provider, payment network provider, Internet advertising service, advertiser, Internet search engine, domain name registry, or domain name registrar for voluntarily taking action against websites dedicated to infringement.

Thats the really scary part.... Especially considering so many of the large ISPs are also owned by content providers... Time Warner, Comcast, etc... do we really want to grant them legal immunity for this? They could take down competitors and there would be no legal remedy.


Legal immunity to commit actions that they can explain away or "plant evidence" to make it appear as if they were justified in doing it.

wtf. can I get legal immunity to murder people if there's justification where I can just plant something on them?

On November 17 2011 06:30 driftme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 05:55 mmp wrote:
On November 17 2011 05:44 Humanfails wrote:
On November 16 2011 11:06 aimaimaim wrote:
Why are the people in the USA letting their goverment run their nation? You guys are suppose to be running the nations .. those political figures are only representative .. This is fucked up.



its a representative democracy. I used to have a link for youtube that talked about it, but basically, you hire someone, who has their own opinions and views about how things should be run, to try to pass or block bills and laws that they THINK you want or don't want. It's not direct democracy. Which means that If you're in a store, they have a list of the food you want, and they have their own list. They buy anything that happens to connect between your list and theirs, so you get a fraction of what you wanted. As an analogy.

Additionally, most people are not tech savvy enough to scrape EFF, ACLU, and other organizations (they've never heard of) blog/tweet it to your Internet friends (they have none and do not know how to tweet).

These important issues are NOT well discussed in mainstream news (television & print). This is intentional.

When elections roll around, incumbent politicians pretend like they've been angels and looked out for your interests, but anyone who has done their homework knows otherwise. Sadly, these incumbents get reelected.


Exactly. Probably only 10% of the population even knows about this bill. I know that statistic holds true among me and my friends, and most of my friends are very tech-savvy. Thats scary.

Do you really think mainstream media will cover a bill that they want to get passed, when the majority of the general population would object to it?



and the ones that do know..

On November 17 2011 05:53 Rarkon wrote:
For all those people saying there is no way this law would pass, I think it is important to email your representative anyways. If nothing else it will make them think twice before considering a similar law in the future.



It's too broad. Its too idiotic. It won't pass. We don't need to contact representatives. *two weeks later*. It passed? WTF! It wasn't supposed to pass. I know we didn't contact representatives, but it was so stupid I thought they wouldn't pass it. Big names were supposedly against it! How could it pass? Wait, they're all in bed with each other? My voice actually does matter because its about what looks good publicly, and knowing our feelings on it would make them want to change their mind? So I failed the system? Its my fault?


the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. A lot of insane constituents who don't get involved and then get surprised by the stupid laws that get passed.
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