EPTSadly it'll probably end up like when people are sued for downloading music or movies, utterly disproportionate sentences being handed out to a small few unlucky ones and the millions of others not being affected.
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Darkong
United Kingdom418 Posts
Sadly it'll probably end up like when people are sued for downloading music or movies, utterly disproportionate sentences being handed out to a small few unlucky ones and the millions of others not being affected. | ||
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driftme
United States360 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:51 Darkong wrote: I can't see how they can possibly even begin to enforce this, its so vague and broad reaching. Sadly it'll probably end up like when people are sued for downloading music or movies, utterly disproportionate sentences being handed out to a small few unlucky ones and the millions of others not being affected. Except that EVERYONE is affected in this case. And there are no suits or sentences because this is not a court process. And here, the "defendant" (for lack of a better term) is assumed guilty, even for content they are not responsible for, and cannot reasonably be held accountable for. | ||
rotinegg
United States1719 Posts
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driftme
United States360 Posts
an opinion from the new york times | ||
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iMAniaC
Norway703 Posts
If this bill were to pass, and if teamliquid was somehow targeted, would it affect non-Americans in any huge way? Are the servers physically located in the US or would the rest of the world be able to access teamliquid through uncensored DNS-servers in their home countries? And, if they went after the teamliquid.net domain name, would it be possible to just start using teamliquid.nl instead? Edit: Well, not teamliquid.nl, seeing as that's taken, but something similar. | ||
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driftme
United States360 Posts
On November 17 2011 01:56 iMAniaC wrote: May I ask a noob question? : If this bill were to pass, and if teamliquid was somehow targeted, would it affect non-Americans in any huge way? Are the servers physically located in the US or would the rest of the world be able to access teamliquid through uncensored DNS-servers in their home countries? And, if they went after the teamliquid.net domain name, would it be possible to just start using teamliquid.nl instead? Edit: Well, not teamliquid.nl, seeing as that's taken, but something similar. The bill states that if the domain name is changed, they can just take the same action against the new domain name. Another newly posted article about websites that are standing against this, including a good video explaining it: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2011/11/16/silicon-valley-vs-hollywood-in-battle-over-piracy/ Article by one of the major opponents of the bills: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-ron-wyden/we-cant-take-the-internet_b_1097305.html | ||
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Resonance
Canada113 Posts
So, if you want to see this hopefully veto'd email you local Democratic(NOT Republican for very obvious reasons) senator and house representative, and tell him/her to remind Obama of what he said to the dictatorships regarding censorship. Tell Democratic people, for the simple reason of they have no choice but to make a passing mention to the president, else their seat may be lost in the next elections for not keeping to their word. | ||
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Ruffian
United States369 Posts
On November 17 2011 01:30 rotinegg wrote: Tumblr is forcing its users to call or email their local representatives before being able to use their content. A move in the right direction! Hell yeah! I just did that actually. I was so nervous on the phone lol. But it's definitely helpful. Really cool stuff. | ||
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driftme
United States360 Posts
On November 17 2011 02:51 Resonance wrote: Regardless of how severely abused the system will be, no internet forum or discussion board will be safe from this law. Any mere mention of something copyrighted will most likely be shut down. Another side-effect of this is the censorship now brought upon the populous by Youtube, TL, Facebook, etc... There will be an incredible lack of freedom to speak one's mind. This is precisely what Obama, himself, spoke against in his inauguration speech. Calling him out on this might not bring about a veto of this absurd law, but it will bring back a sense of self-deserving. So, if you want to see this hopefully veto'd email you local Democratic(NOT Republican for very obvious reasons) senator and house representative, and tell him/her to remind Obama of what he said to the dictatorships regarding censorship. Tell Democratic people, for the simple reason of they have no choice but to make a passing mention to the president, else their seat may be lost in the next elections for not keeping to their word. There are opponents to this bill in each of the political parties. It would be irresponsible to keep your calls/emails to yourself rather than sending it to a republican just because they're not democrat. | ||
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iMAniaC
Norway703 Posts
On November 17 2011 02:01 driftme wrote: The bill states that if the domain name is changed, they can just take the same action against the new domain name. Thanks. But would it affect even non-US domain names (that's why I picked .nl)? I've read that .com, .net and .org domains are subject to the laws of some US state, so it's conceivable that they could be shut down. But what about, say a Dutch address (.nl), on a server located in the Netherlands and then me, accessing it from Norway? The data I'm transmitting would never enter the US, so they couldn't possibly stop me from accessing it, could they? Unless the US pressures other countries to block the same sites as they have blocked, right? I don't really know how DNS servers work, other that they point my url addresses to the correct IP addresses... That's why I said I'm asking a noob question  | ||
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United States10328 Posts
 btw the bill is online here + Show Spoiler + I would like to bring to your attention that PROTECT IP (S. 968)/SOPA (HR. 3261) is a major threat to the freedom of our citizens on the Internet. Not only will this legislation be very difficult to enforce, but it will also unnecessarily spend our country's resources. I understand that the bill is well-intentioned, but in reality, it benefits the corporations at the cost of the common man. Though the bill makes provisos to not conflict with the First Amendment, it is, in essence, a censorship of free speech and press on the Internet. Paragraph 212, under SEC. 103., is a particular example of an egregious violation of our American freedoms: it allows the government, or any "qualifying plaintiff," to shut down a website BEFORE holding a trial. One copyright violation, or even purported copyright violation, could be grounds to bring down an entire website. For the freedom of our citizens, I urge you to oppose this bill. | ||
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driftme
United States360 Posts
On November 17 2011 04:17 iMAniaC wrote: Thanks. But would it affect even non-US domain names (that's why I picked .nl)? I've read that .com, .net and .org domains are subject to the laws of some US state, so it's conceivable that they could be shut down. But what about, say a Dutch address (.nl), on a server located in the Netherlands and then me, accessing it from Norway? The data I'm transmitting would never enter the US, so they couldn't possibly stop me from accessing it, could they? Unless the US pressures other countries to block the same sites as they have blocked, right? I don't really know how DNS servers work, other that they point my url addresses to the correct IP addresses... That's why I said I'm asking a noob question Actually, that is accessible from the US, or any country that's not blocking it. For example, the .tv domain name is the country code Top Level Domain for the islands of Tuvalu.... wherever that is =] So yea, it'll affect any domain they target. | ||
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driftme
United States360 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I oppose S. 968 ("Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act of 2011"). I have a special viewpoint on this issue, as I am both a content creator and involved in technology. I understand the need to combat these "rogue" websites, but PIPA/SOPA are overly broad and far-reaching. In addition, they undermine the safe harbors provided for in the already in-place DMCA. The DMCA is fairly broad without being heavy handed. The persisting problem calls for an approach that is more respectful of the architecture of the internet and the concept of an Open Net - one that encourages free speech, innovation, and creativity. The goal of this bill is a great one - protect intellectual property. However, if passed, these bills would harm our country more than protect it. You'll afford more protection to existing content, but in the process will kill more fresh ideas than are saved. The internet is responsible for a huge portion of our GDP, and passage of this bill will greatly undermine that, in the wake of recession. I urge you to do what you can to protect our country from PIPA/SOPA. | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
check out torrentfreak.com if u want to know more, one of the many great blogs that will be censored if the law passes. they have a special popup to "save them from censorship" another reason to "occupy wallstreet" ? | ||
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
On November 17 2011 03:46 driftme wrote: There are opponents to this bill in each of the political parties. It would be irresponsible to keep your calls/emails to yourself rather than sending it to a republican just because they're not democrat. It is also presumptive (and naive imo) to think that you can trust Democrats on this and other issues. PIPA was introduced by a Democrat. | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On November 17 2011 05:17 mmp wrote: It is also presumptive (and naive imo) to think that you can trust Democrats on this and other issues. PIPA was introduced by a Democrat. doesn't matter what side they are on. they are the same. just playing with you. its naive to trust any politician at this point. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Humanfails
224 Posts
We are all aware that this system cannot be enforced regularly. it can only be enforced when someone has a personal issue and they have the backing of companies and money behind them, like CEOs or other people who could stifle and crush and dissenting private websites if they can happen to find anything on it that can get the site blacklisted and censored from the General Public. Now, we also know that they PAY individuals 50 cents a post or something like that, to post positions that the OP actually has no personal say or interest in. if a company wants to spread disinformation to keep people from organizing, it pays people to do it. We uncovered this recently and know it exists. So people have to be even more aware and more self thinking to get through these disgusting hurdles selfish men and women put in the way of progress for the good of all. Do you guys know that the "pills and medication" you see on the mainstream T.V. News are actually PAID by the companies that makes the pill to the news corporations that run the channel to put that in their "new reports"? So, Putting two and two together, they can up the ante and get these paid people to post Copyrighted stuff "accidently" or on purpose onto sites they want shut down. and then they can do it. Remember. they are people. they are getting pissed off at being unable to control things. What to people do when they have their control questioned and their ego bruised? They grab on tighter, and use any means to win in the end. Its childish egoism and that is exactly what runs the world. People need to wake up now. People in control are there because they want it. Anything they can do to pacify you, be it from entertainment to propaganda to cutting off communication between people or up to killing people, will be used so the top stay on top. It's been this way in humanity for 1000's of years. and you really think it suddenly stopped? No, the propaganda changed subtly and more effictively with the growth of psychology sciences that teach anyone about conditioning and other behavioral modification techniques. Everything you believe now is on the basis of everything society has told you. If society contains one big boogeyman in the corner constantly exerting it's propaganda to get society to believe it, thats what you hear, over and over and over, as you grow up. you believe things that you've internalized, not on the basis of fact or proof, but on the basis of hearsay and following public opinion, down to the cliches in high school. All movies, thx 1137, the matrix, equilibrium etc, all talk about the same social issue. it doesn't matter if the content happens underground, or in the future with robots, or with psychotropic drugs meant to control populations. the message is one and the same. Entities in power use any and all means to control, confuse, and manipulate you. Foot in the door techniques this obvious should be understood for what it is. On November 17 2011 05:22 GhandiEAGLE wrote: It should say something about the modern world that people are genuinely worried a law as ridiculous as this could get passed. They kill entire professions by doing this. You think they're worried about killing professions? What entire town was it that was destroyed by Ford shutting down its production facilities? Its about money, not people. get this. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
Now, we also know that they PAY individuals 50 cents a post or something like that, to post positions that the OP actually has no personal say or interest in. if a company wants to spread disinformation to keep people from organizing, it pays people to do it. We uncovered this recently and know it exists. So people have to be even more aware and more self thinking to get through these disgusting hurdles selfish men and women put in the way of progress for the good of all. Care to elaborate/ give source on this? Maybe I'm taking the 1post troll bait but this sounds like a conspiracy theory to me, which are just plain dumb. If you believe that the government or whoever is in charge is manipulating you, who is to say that the people that come up with these crackpot theories aren't manipulating you into thinking they are right? Your post for the most part makes no sense to me. | ||
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xAPOCALYPSEx
1418 Posts
But Ron Wyden is a boss for putting a hold on it nonetheless. Several large corporations such as Google, Yahoo!, Ebay, American Express and Paypal have all opposed the bill. source: (has a quote from VP of Google) + Show Spoiler + http://broadbandbreakfast.com/2011/05/senate-committee-passes-protect-ip-act-but-wyden-issues-quick-halt/ Google against it, yahoo against it, Ebay against it, Paypal against it, American Express against it. lolol but this has been the third topic on this bill, and everyone seemed to forget this fact after the first thread ~_~ | ||
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