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On July 13 2012 11:45 Tewks44 wrote:
I think part of the blame should be on the U.S.'s insane worship of Football. This was obviously covered up due to Sandusky's status as the football coach. In the U.S. we don't only enjoy football, we idolize it and revere it with religious intensity. As a non-football fan it's very annoying.
Undeniably. And Penn State football has been one of the most extreme examples of it, it really is cult-like there. I swear before all this, Paterno was viewed by most Penn State devotees as closer to a mythical figure than a man.
College football though, it's just ugh, the whole institution already felt sort of icky but now it's gone over the edge. I don't really think I can watch it very much anymore without feeling really uneasy. And pro football, it's better but doesn't feel wholly right either (well and there's the fact that college football is its de-facto minor league so it's tied in as well).
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I love the NFL more than my own mother, but even I think the devotion people have towards college football is kind of creepy...
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On July 13 2012 05:02 RoosterSamurai wrote:
I hope the parents and victims sue Penn State so hard that they can never open their doors again.
Your mindset is disgusting. Punish all of the faculty that Penn State employs as well as all the students in Penn State for something they had no part in? Stop projecting onto an entire university and focus on the key group that covered this crime up, PSU is so much more than football.
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No kidding Slurpy, it's looking like so many more people were involved..
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I knew penn state and their football community was full of shit when I read news reports of PSU students rioting and whining over paterno's firing and the apparant damage that PSU's football program took because of the scandal. Being a great football coach is meaningless if you are going to destroy the lives of children and try to cover the shit up.
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On June 24 2012 02:59 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 02:36 BoX wrote:
And for the complete retards arguing that tha hatred for pedophiles and child molestors is "discriminatory" vs their "mental disease" - you're fucking retarded.
Their "mental disease" is a huge and imminent threat children. They will attack children. They will destroy lives.
You don't consider quarantine of the infectious sick to be discrimination against sickness, do you? Same shit. We quarantine people afflicted with highly infectious viruses because they are an imminent threat to society. Pedophiles are an imminent threat to society. They should be quarantined also. They might not kill millions, but I dunno about you, but one person's life destroyed is enough for me to want to act to prevent it. There are many pedophiles that do not harm children. The concept that some people don't act upon all their urges, regardless of what kind of form it may be, due to self-discipline, must be a difficult concept for you to grasp your mind around. Offenders should be punished with little mercy but you don't go around preemptively gutting people because they might be possible offenders. Punishing thought crime is utterly asinine and insane. We might as well all make a global suicide pact so that no evil could ever be done.
don't care how you phrase it, someone who would even think what they think about sexualizing kids are animals/monsters/whatever negative word can be associated with it. I'm not a parent right now but I expect that the way I think about how these people think is a good quality for anyone who cares about their kids (or kids in general). Even someone like you with your thought crime nonsense I wouldn't let near my kids, soz bro
thought crime, kek. Don't discriminate against me on how I think because I discriminate against how other "people" think
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i have to ask, why did they cover up for sandusky when he was just the defensive coordinator? i mean defensive coordinators in college football isn't THAT highly coveted of a position.
makes it a lot sleazier imo.
on the whole topic of paedophiles,they don't choose to be paedophiles. don't murder them for being paedophiles, go with chemical castration.
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On July 13 2012 12:05 ZapRoffo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 11:45 Tewks44 wrote:
I think part of the blame should be on the U.S.'s insane worship of Football. This was obviously covered up due to Sandusky's status as the football coach. In the U.S. we don't only enjoy football, we idolize it and revere it with religious intensity. As a non-football fan it's very annoying. Undeniably. And Penn State football has been one of the most extreme examples of it, it really is cult-like there. I swear before all this, Paterno was viewed by most Penn State devotees as closer to a mythical figure than a man. College football though, it's just ugh, the whole institution already felt sort of icky but now it's gone over the edge. I don't really think I can watch it very much anymore without feeling really uneasy. And pro football, it's better but doesn't feel wholly right either (well and there's the fact that college football is its de-facto minor league so it's tied in as well).
Football should adopt the baseball minor league format, rather than taking students from college. People who want to go pro in football would go play in the minor league for it. People shouldn't be going to college for something non-academic like sports, and taking scholarship money that should go to students there for academics.
It would help with issues like this too.
Everyone involved in the cover up should be charged, and because this whole cover up was done because of the status of athletics, the school's athletics program should be shut down for a year to get the damn point across. Students there only for athletics can transfer, and people promised scholarships can still get their money, but this is the time to make an example of these bastards, and to do something about this ridiculous sports culture.
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On July 13 2012 12:05 ZapRoffo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 11:45 Tewks44 wrote:
I think part of the blame should be on the U.S.'s insane worship of Football. This was obviously covered up due to Sandusky's status as the football coach. In the U.S. we don't only enjoy football, we idolize it and revere it with religious intensity. As a non-football fan it's very annoying. I swear before all this, Paterno was viewed by most Penn State devotees as closer to a mythical figure than a man.
It will take time to see if how changes. But even still, there are thousands of JoePa faithful that will never say a bad thing against the man due to his devotion to Penn State (for better or worse I fear). In the minds of some he will always be that larger than life figure in the arena of College athletics for all time.
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On July 13 2012 13:27 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 12:05 ZapRoffo wrote:On July 13 2012 11:45 Tewks44 wrote:
I think part of the blame should be on the U.S.'s insane worship of Football. This was obviously covered up due to Sandusky's status as the football coach. In the U.S. we don't only enjoy football, we idolize it and revere it with religious intensity. As a non-football fan it's very annoying. Undeniably. And Penn State football has been one of the most extreme examples of it, it really is cult-like there. I swear before all this, Paterno was viewed by most Penn State devotees as closer to a mythical figure than a man. College football though, it's just ugh, the whole institution already felt sort of icky but now it's gone over the edge. I don't really think I can watch it very much anymore without feeling really uneasy. And pro football, it's better but doesn't feel wholly right either (well and there's the fact that college football is its de-facto minor league so it's tied in as well). Football should adopt the baseball minor league format, rather than taking students from college. People who want to go pro in football would go play in the minor league for it. People shouldn't be going to college for something non-academic like sports, and taking scholarship money that should go to students there for academics. It would help with issues like this too.
well in baseball there is collegiate base ball as well...
theoretically the idea is alright, but in reality collegiate football is such a phenomenon in the U.S. that it'll probably never change. it took them 70 years to put in a damn play off system for god sakes.
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On July 13 2012 13:24 shawster wrote:
i have to ask, why did they cover up for sandusky when he was just the defensive coordinator? i mean defensive coordinators in college football isn't THAT highly coveted of a position.
makes it a lot sleazier imo.
on the whole topic of paedophiles,they don't choose to be paedophiles. don't murder them for being paedophiles, go with chemical castration.
It's still one of the top ranking positions on the team. The sport requires recruitment for it's players and the fact that one of the top guys was a pedophile probably wouldn't sit well with parents...
Losers at Penn State were scared it would ruin a few years of their team, I guess.
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I thought this was going to be about power supply units..
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On July 13 2012 13:24 shawster wrote:
i have to ask, why did they cover up for sandusky when he was just the defensive coordinator? i mean defensive coordinators in college football isn't THAT highly coveted of a position.
makes it a lot sleazier imo.
on the whole topic of paedophiles,they don't choose to be paedophiles. don't murder them for being paedophiles, go with chemical castration.
Sandusky was a big community figure too, having coached at Penn State for 30 years himself. One of Penn State's football nicknames is Linebacker U, and Sandusky was linebacker coach (starting in 1970) before he became defensive coordinator, so a lot of that reputation probably leads back to him, really. Also, one of the biggest, most famous, influential college football games ever, Penn State's 14-10 upset of Miami in the Fiesta Bowl 1987--Sandusky's stamp on that was huge if you think about it, holding one of the most talented college offenses ever assembled to 10 points and 5 interceptions in the still most watched college game ever. Very odd to revisit that game now (which was dubbed and marketed as a biblical good vs. evil clash in its time). Here's a telling of the overall story of the game which is a pretty compelling one: The Night College Football Went to Hell
So Sandusky was a very established part of the whole Penn State football mythology (they were and still are always especially known for defense), and also coached with Paterno for 30 years. Does that give a sense of where the loyalty to him was coming from?
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On July 13 2012 13:20 askTeivospy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 02:59 koreasilver wrote:On June 24 2012 02:36 BoX wrote:
And for the complete retards arguing that tha hatred for pedophiles and child molestors is "discriminatory" vs their "mental disease" - you're fucking retarded.
Their "mental disease" is a huge and imminent threat children. They will attack children. They will destroy lives.
You don't consider quarantine of the infectious sick to be discrimination against sickness, do you? Same shit. We quarantine people afflicted with highly infectious viruses because they are an imminent threat to society. Pedophiles are an imminent threat to society. They should be quarantined also. They might not kill millions, but I dunno about you, but one person's life destroyed is enough for me to want to act to prevent it. There are many pedophiles that do not harm children. The concept that some people don't act upon all their urges, regardless of what kind of form it may be, due to self-discipline, must be a difficult concept for you to grasp your mind around. Offenders should be punished with little mercy but you don't go around preemptively gutting people because they might be possible offenders. Punishing thought crime is utterly asinine and insane. We might as well all make a global suicide pact so that no evil could ever be done. don't care how you phrase it, someone who would even think what they think about sexualizing kids are animals/monsters/whatever negative word can be associated with it. I'm not a parent right now but I expect that the way I think about how these people think is a good quality for anyone who cares about their kids (or kids in general). Even someone like you with your thought crime nonsense I wouldn't let near my kids, soz bro thought crime, kek. Don't discriminate against me on how I think because I discriminate against how other "people" think
Are u kidding me? Besides the fact that it would literally IMPOSSIBLE to catch "criminals" who have bad thoughts, it's completely insane. Let's say ur a 19 year old guy at a party and met a cute 17 yo girl. U find out she's 17, stop hitting on her, but still think of her sexually. Should he be arrested? Hell no.
What u are now talking about is the government taking complete control of us and even controlling what we think. That's scarier than Big Brother.
Yeah, I get that child molestation is definitely wrong and horrific. But u are way overreacting and u are a prisoner of the moment
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American culture is way too focused on youth sports.
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Can't agree with this article at all, you'd be punishing hundreds, (those involved with the football program in terms of jobs or as players/coaches) even thousands, (The legions of Penn State fans and alumni) for the terrible actions of five men. Prosecute those man to the fullest extent of the law, I hope they rot in jail, but killing the entire program would be an in appropriate punishment in my mind.
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On July 13 2012 13:31 shawster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 13:27 Whitewing wrote:On July 13 2012 12:05 ZapRoffo wrote:On July 13 2012 11:45 Tewks44 wrote:
I think part of the blame should be on the U.S.'s insane worship of Football. This was obviously covered up due to Sandusky's status as the football coach. In the U.S. we don't only enjoy football, we idolize it and revere it with religious intensity. As a non-football fan it's very annoying. Undeniably. And Penn State football has been one of the most extreme examples of it, it really is cult-like there. I swear before all this, Paterno was viewed by most Penn State devotees as closer to a mythical figure than a man. College football though, it's just ugh, the whole institution already felt sort of icky but now it's gone over the edge. I don't really think I can watch it very much anymore without feeling really uneasy. And pro football, it's better but doesn't feel wholly right either (well and there's the fact that college football is its de-facto minor league so it's tied in as well). Football should adopt the baseball minor league format, rather than taking students from college. People who want to go pro in football would go play in the minor league for it. People shouldn't be going to college for something non-academic like sports, and taking scholarship money that should go to students there for academics. It would help with issues like this too. well in baseball there is collegiate base ball as well... theoretically the idea is alright, but in reality collegiate football is such a phenomenon in the U.S. that it'll probably never change. it took them 70 years to put in a damn play off system for god sakes.
Collegiate baseball isn't for students who want a pro-career in baseball, that's what the minor leagues are for. People shouldn't be going to college (an institution for academics) on a football scholarship, taking money that could go to students there for academics, so they can get a job as a pro-football player which has no need for academics whatsoever.
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On July 13 2012 15:37 durza wrote:Can't agree with this article at all, you'd be punishing hundreds, (those involved with the football program in terms of jobs or as players/coaches) even thousands, (The legions of Penn State fans and alumni) for the terrible actions of five men. Prosecute those man to the fullest extent of the law, I hope they rot in jail, but killing the entire program would be an in appropriate punishment in my mind.
Vicarious liability.
There will always be innocent people in any wrongdoing organization. Using that as a shield from liability is terrible excuse. Countries, states, towns, corporations, businesses, non-profits and many other organizations suffer from the wrongdoings of their citizens or employees all the time. It's not a shield and students and other employees are free to go elsewhere.
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Im asking a serious question. Sandusky loves a 17 year old boy sexually and the boy feels the same way. Is this wrong?
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