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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 17:21:21
June 23 2012 17:17 GMT
#561
On June 23 2012 17:31 Omnipresent wrote:
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On June 23 2012 12:03 Probe1 wrote:
I don't think that for all of his victims the nightmare will ever be over. That is why Sandusky is facing the possibility of life in prison. Molesting a minor isn't just shattered a childs innocence. It's risking a terrible chance of ruining a person for the rest of their lives.

The nightmare for Penn State? Maybe. I mean with time any institution will have its stain lifted by the passing years. But until this has passed well through recent memory it will still be a Blight on the university.

I want to say something but I don't really know how to say this without respecting the gravity of the crimes and how it transcends mere sports. I'm just going to say it and forgive me if it's callous to think of it at this time.

Every season until Bobby Bowden retired we had a friendly rivalry with Paterno. We were neck and neck with most wins and as fans we were pretty competitive with PSU. We'd wish that Paterno would retire or that they'd lose 12 games or whatever. Then Coach Bowden retires and ... this. It's pretty fucked up. All those years of wishing ill against Paterno and something like this happens. It makes you regret ever hoping a bad turn for your rival will help you win.

I'm confused by this last bit. Paterno helped cover this up for almost a decade.

The widespread institutional corruption in this case really hasn't gotten the press it deserves. Paterno and other senior members of the Penn State athletic program covered for a child rapist. The name "Sandusky" helps sell newspapers and draw viewers because his crimes are so horriffic, but that's not the important story here. Realistically, there's no way to prevent terrible shit like this from happening. There are sick people out there, and some of them harm children. We should support the children/families and punish the predator.

But remember, we're not talking about a man who molested a single child, which would be bad enough. We're talking about a man who was just convicted of 45 counts associated with child molestation over the last 15 years. Think of how many children could have been protected if Paterno or anyone else at Penn state had done the responsible thing and reported Sandusky to the police when they learned about his actions back in 2002. These people are criminals, and their actions (or lack therof) are almost as contemptable as Sandusky's.

Have you ever wished something bad would happen then something did and you felt guilty about it? That, in the darkest corner of my head, is how I feel.


On June 23 2012 15:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Here's a new article on it:

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BELLEFONTE, Pa. -- Jerry Sandusky entered the Centre County Courthouse Friday as one of the most celebrated figures in the history of Penn State sports. He left a convicted child molester.

Following two days of jury deliberations, Sandusky was found guilty Friday of molesting several young boys.

The 68-year-old could spend the rest of his life in prison.

Sandusky was convicted of 45 of 48 criminal counts related to the alleged assault of 10 boys over a 15-year period. The allegations led to the ouster of the late Penn State University president and long-time coach Joe Paterno, who died in January.

[Click here for latest updates.]

Prosecutors said Sandusky was a "predatory pedophile" and a "sick, disturbed man," who targeted "the most vulnerable kids, kids in need."

Defense lawyer Joe Amendola said Sandusky was the victim of a grand conspiracy and that prosecutors provided no physical evidence to prove he had molested anyone. Because of the allegations, "everything [Jerry Sandusky] ever loved, everything he's ever built, and everything he's ever stood for -- it's gone," Amendola said.

Sandusky did not testify on his own behalf, but his wife, Dottie Sandusky, did take the stand. She said she never witnessed any inappropriate contact between her husband and the young boys.

The case has attracted widespread media coverage, as Sandusky was one of the most notable assistant football coaches in the country and the founder of The Second Mile, a nonprofit charity for underprivileged and at-risk youth.

People reacted with unrestrained joy when word of the verdict reached the crowd outside the courthouse. Some were chanting "Justice," while others sat on the sidewalk in lawn chairs to enjoy the spectacle.

"Our grandson was best friends with Victim No. 1," Bill Andrus told The Huffinton Post. "They were on the junior high wrestling team together. So knowing Victim No. 1, we had a personal interest and were hopeful it would come out this way."

Kelly Houp, who lives in Bellefonte, had harsh words for the Sandusky family.

"I knew he was guilty," she said. "All those kids would not lie. Everyone knew he did it. Dottie knew too and she should be hung."

Crime expert Scott A. Bonn, an assistant professor of sociology at Drew University, called the decision "a certainty."

"This case shocked the nation, violated our collective sense of morality and demonstrated that our children may not be safe from sexual predators after all,” Bonn said. “The jury had a moral obligation to society to convict Sandusky, and the only verdict that could restore public trust and equilibrium is guilty. I would have been shocked by any other verdict.”

Sentencing is expected to take place within 90 days.


~ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/22/jerry-sandusky-guilty-verdict_n_1616479.html

Seems he got what he deserved. Finally closure for the families, although obviously nothing can make up for what he did to those kids.


Crime expert Scott A. Bonn, an assistant professor of sociology at Drew University, called the decision "a certainty."

"This case shocked the nation, violated our collective sense of morality and demonstrated that our children may not be safe from sexual predators after all,”


Thanks Crime Expert Scott A. Bonn. Way to be a complete tool and fearmonger so your name is published.
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NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 17:21:12
June 23 2012 17:19 GMT
#562
On June 24 2012 02:14 TheAmazombie wrote:
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On June 24 2012 02:06 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 24 2012 02:00 TheAmazombie wrote:
On June 24 2012 01:48 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 24 2012 01:12 askTeivospy wrote:
On June 23 2012 15:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.


I'm sure people with kids probably don't see eye to eye with you, and tbh I'd side with their views on whether or not they're human since I'll probably have kids eventually too


-.- This is why we don't let parents decide justice, and when it does happen we get ridiculous things. Revenge should never equate justice, and that's just how it is. The fact of the matter, it's not like these kids were "raped" by him... He offered them position, and they decided freely to do it. He's not fucking 5 year olds...

If someone told me today if I sucked there cock I'd get to play on an NHL team, I'd say no... You have to wonder, what type of people are saying yes? Is it all his fault?

Anyone who jockeys for position by accepting favours (sexual or not) from a superior (coach/teacher) is pretty much in fault too unless they're below 16...

So we can all burn him down, hell I agree he's twisted for doing it, but if you think those teenagers (young adults) didn't know what they were getting into, and didn't understand full well about what it meant for them personally (rising stardom) than I think you're a bit naive.

Ask yourself, would you have sex with your teacher/coach if it meant you could get ahead? Not to many people will say yes, especially 16-19 year olds...


WTF...because rape victims had it coming, right? It is their own fault? This post is rather disgusting. I think you need to clarify your position because it sounds to me like you are blaming a victim for a crime, then saying that the perpetrator is not guilty even though HIS OWN SON has come and and said that he was abused as well...


Did he hold them down and slam them?

I'm saying that this isn't some teenage girl walking down the street raped by a guy, this is victim after victim who were given options... This is very similar to Fleury's case a few months ago (and the book he came out with)...

Obviously, it's his fault that he was suggestive and his fault for doing the act, but if you want to tell me that victim after victim for X number of years were raped (full out, no choice raped) then, that's plain bullshit, this isn't a serial rapists catching girls and boys at preschool... its a coach taking advantage of weak kids wanting position, and the kids take the chance to move up.

Do I think he deserves life? Yes. Obviously we shouldn't let someone in position act in such a manner... But to think it was 100% him, and no choice given to any victim? imagine... Let's not live in a fairy tale, they're going to sensationalize their story "I had no option, it was that or nothing!" which again is where you bring yourself to ask... What would you have done?

Each one of those victims, was given position (ranked up) or allowed to stay because of what they did, some moved farther in the career because of it.

My position, is yes he had sex with these victims (in one way or another) but if we think they had no option and no way out, all of them? Then I believe we're fooling ourselves.


Okay, so you are arguing the definition of rape. That I can understand and debate, but in this case, everything met the conditions of the legal definition of rape.

Also, just giving someone an "option" does not always mean they have much of an option and their hands aren't tied. As youth we are (generally) taught to listen and respect our elders, so sometimes children, who are the most vulnerable, are put in a situation where they might actually have an option, but don't have the understanding to know how dangerous a situation or person is, or think that they just need to choose what the adult wants them to choose out of respect, or even selfish reason, to get something in return, but they really don't know the full extent of the situation.

Adults are then put into position of power over youth and with power comes responsibility. He, as an adult and with the child in his custody, has a social and moral responsibility to the child and the child's parents, at least that is how I see it and even just approaching a youth in such a manner is reprehensible, even if he gave the child a "choice."


As I've said, I agree that he should get life behind bars... I completely agree with that, but the argument is whether we place all the blame on him? or perhaps society for giving people the impression to do "whatever" to get ahead? or maybe the parents for not instilling trust in which those kids could have went and said what was happening? Obviously the other teachers/staff that have been laid off because of it are mentioned but what about the silent partners, there's definitely more than one head coach who knew about all of this. Also, do we place blame on the kids for trying to place themselves higher by doing things that they know are wrong, but they want to be the "best" so they will go to any end to do so.

My impression is that all of the blame is riding on the assailant, while there are other factors being excluded.

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TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 17:27:34
June 23 2012 17:25 GMT
#563
On June 24 2012 02:19 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 02:14 TheAmazombie wrote:
On June 24 2012 02:06 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 24 2012 02:00 TheAmazombie wrote:
On June 24 2012 01:48 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On June 24 2012 01:12 askTeivospy wrote:
On June 23 2012 15:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.


I'm sure people with kids probably don't see eye to eye with you, and tbh I'd side with their views on whether or not they're human since I'll probably have kids eventually too


-.- This is why we don't let parents decide justice, and when it does happen we get ridiculous things. Revenge should never equate justice, and that's just how it is. The fact of the matter, it's not like these kids were "raped" by him... He offered them position, and they decided freely to do it. He's not fucking 5 year olds...

If someone told me today if I sucked there cock I'd get to play on an NHL team, I'd say no... You have to wonder, what type of people are saying yes? Is it all his fault?

Anyone who jockeys for position by accepting favours (sexual or not) from a superior (coach/teacher) is pretty much in fault too unless they're below 16...

So we can all burn him down, hell I agree he's twisted for doing it, but if you think those teenagers (young adults) didn't know what they were getting into, and didn't understand full well about what it meant for them personally (rising stardom) than I think you're a bit naive.

Ask yourself, would you have sex with your teacher/coach if it meant you could get ahead? Not to many people will say yes, especially 16-19 year olds...


WTF...because rape victims had it coming, right? It is their own fault? This post is rather disgusting. I think you need to clarify your position because it sounds to me like you are blaming a victim for a crime, then saying that the perpetrator is not guilty even though HIS OWN SON has come and and said that he was abused as well...


Did he hold them down and slam them?

I'm saying that this isn't some teenage girl walking down the street raped by a guy, this is victim after victim who were given options... This is very similar to Fleury's case a few months ago (and the book he came out with)...

Obviously, it's his fault that he was suggestive and his fault for doing the act, but if you want to tell me that victim after victim for X number of years were raped (full out, no choice raped) then, that's plain bullshit, this isn't a serial rapists catching girls and boys at preschool... its a coach taking advantage of weak kids wanting position, and the kids take the chance to move up.

Do I think he deserves life? Yes. Obviously we shouldn't let someone in position act in such a manner... But to think it was 100% him, and no choice given to any victim? imagine... Let's not live in a fairy tale, they're going to sensationalize their story "I had no option, it was that or nothing!" which again is where you bring yourself to ask... What would you have done?

Each one of those victims, was given position (ranked up) or allowed to stay because of what they did, some moved farther in the career because of it.

My position, is yes he had sex with these victims (in one way or another) but if we think they had no option and no way out, all of them? Then I believe we're fooling ourselves.


Okay, so you are arguing the definition of rape. That I can understand and debate, but in this case, everything met the conditions of the legal definition of rape.

Also, just giving someone an "option" does not always mean they have much of an option and their hands aren't tied. As youth we are (generally) taught to listen and respect our elders, so sometimes children, who are the most vulnerable, are put in a situation where they might actually have an option, but don't have the understanding to know how dangerous a situation or person is, or think that they just need to choose what the adult wants them to choose out of respect, or even selfish reason, to get something in return, but they really don't know the full extent of the situation.

Adults are then put into position of power over youth and with power comes responsibility. He, as an adult and with the child in his custody, has a social and moral responsibility to the child and the child's parents, at least that is how I see it and even just approaching a youth in such a manner is reprehensible, even if he gave the child a "choice."


As I've said, I agree that he should get life behind bars... I completely agree with that, but the argument is whether we place all the blame on him? or perhaps society for giving people the impression to do "whatever" to get ahead? or maybe the parents for not instilling trust in which those kids could have went and said what was happening? Obviously the other teachers/staff that have been laid off because of it are mentioned but what about the silent partners, there's definitely more than one head coach who knew about all of this. Also, do we place blame on the kids for trying to place themselves higher by doing things that they know are wrong, but they want to be the "best" so they will go to any end to do so.



This I understand and overall agree that there are a ton of place where blame and education can be instilled and could/may have prevented issues. I still though agree with the legal definition of rape in this case and feel that it applies. Thank you for clarifying your position.

My impression is that all of the blame is riding on the assailant, while there are other factors being excluded.


While I agree that there are many other factors, I still feel that does not take anything away from his actions.
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sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
June 23 2012 17:34 GMT
#564
On June 24 2012 00:12 xjoehammerx wrote:
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On June 23 2012 15:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.

in some ways i think it's worse than murder... i won't make any assumptions, because no one who hasn't gone through something like that can understand shit about it, but i almost think i might rather be murdered. thats stupid to even say, i guess, because how the fuck would i know, but i just feel like it's true. i think it's good that people are so disgusted with the action and the person who does it, but i think it's also important to be able to forgive them on some level, and to have compassion even for them. they don't deserve it, necessarily, but i still think it's important.

this whole story is just so sad that it almost makes you want to cry. those poor kids were betrayed by everyone that should have been protecting them. fuck it makes me so mad i could punch a fucking hole through my computer screen.


Dude...no. Pedos don't deserve compassion. You cannot rehabilitate them; they never get any better. They are like rabid dogs. They need to be put down or locked up forever. Their rate of recidivism is very high because of the fact that they can't be rehabbed. They need to be freaking shot like animals.

everyone deserves some compassion, that does not mean that they deserve leniency, and that does not mean they deserve any kind of lighter punishment, but we cannot treat them the same way they treated others and still think we hold a moral high-ground.

i agree that sometimes the death penalty should be applicable to serious offenders, but not because they are pieces of shit, but because they've shown a willingness and capability of endangering society to a point where them being alive might be dangerous. some people in here are wishing (understandably) that the guy gets attacked or raped in prison. one, this would be horrible for the prisoners themselves who will do the action, and two, it is horrible to do that to anyone, i don't care what they've done. even a dog deserves the mercy of a painless death, and no one should have to live in constant fear for their dignity and life.

i won't tell someone not to hate the guy, though i think they should probably not hate the guy. i won't tell someone not to wish death on the guy, but i think someone needs to be... not on "his side" but willing to stand with the guy. that does not mean that they have to approve of him or his crimes in any way, just that even someone like him needs a certain degree of mercy. i can understand why people don't like to give mercy in situations like this, and i would never tell someone to forgive him, but even the most heinous people need some degree of forgiveness imo.
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BoX
Profile Joined July 2003
United States214 Posts
June 23 2012 17:36 GMT
#565
And for the complete retards arguing that tha hatred for pedophiles and child molestors is "discriminatory" vs their "mental disease" - you're fucking retarded.

Their "mental disease" is a huge and imminent threat children. They will attack children. They will destroy lives.

You don't consider quarantine of the infectious sick to be discrimination against sickness, do you? Same shit. We quarantine people afflicted with highly infectious viruses because they are an imminent threat to society. Pedophiles are an imminent threat to society. They should be quarantined also. They might not kill millions, but I dunno about you, but one person's life destroyed is enough for me to want to act to prevent it.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
June 23 2012 17:47 GMT
#566
good riddance old sick fuck, hope they lose the key to your cell!!!

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Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
June 23 2012 17:48 GMT
#567
meh...

http://bigbabyjones.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/sandusky-meets-pedobear.jpg?w=1024&h=505
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
June 23 2012 17:59 GMT
#568
On June 24 2012 02:36 BoX wrote:
And for the complete retards arguing that tha hatred for pedophiles and child molestors is "discriminatory" vs their "mental disease" - you're fucking retarded.

Their "mental disease" is a huge and imminent threat children. They will attack children. They will destroy lives.

You don't consider quarantine of the infectious sick to be discrimination against sickness, do you? Same shit. We quarantine people afflicted with highly infectious viruses because they are an imminent threat to society. Pedophiles are an imminent threat to society. They should be quarantined also. They might not kill millions, but I dunno about you, but one person's life destroyed is enough for me to want to act to prevent it.

There are many pedophiles that do not harm children. The concept that some people don't act upon all their urges, regardless of what kind of form it may be, due to self-discipline, must be a difficult concept for you to grasp your mind around.

Offenders should be punished with little mercy but you don't go around preemptively gutting people because they might be possible offenders. Punishing thought crime is utterly asinine and insane. We might as well all make a global suicide pact so that no evil could ever be done.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
June 23 2012 17:59 GMT
#569
On June 24 2012 02:36 BoX wrote:
And for the complete retards arguing that tha hatred for pedophiles and child molestors is "discriminatory" vs their "mental disease" - you're fucking retarded.

Their "mental disease" is a huge and imminent threat children. They will attack children. They will destroy lives.

You don't consider quarantine of the infectious sick to be discrimination against sickness, do you? Same shit. We quarantine people afflicted with highly infectious viruses because they are an imminent threat to society. Pedophiles are an imminent threat to society. They should be quarantined also. They might not kill millions, but I dunno about you, but one person's life destroyed is enough for me to want to act to prevent it.

That is talk about thought crimes. We also do not quarantine racists despite them being dangerous, until they try to burn down someone's house or something.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
BoX
Profile Joined July 2003
United States214 Posts
June 24 2012 00:50 GMT
#570
On June 24 2012 02:59 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 02:36 BoX wrote:
And for the complete retards arguing that tha hatred for pedophiles and child molestors is "discriminatory" vs their "mental disease" - you're fucking retarded.

Their "mental disease" is a huge and imminent threat children. They will attack children. They will destroy lives.

You don't consider quarantine of the infectious sick to be discrimination against sickness, do you? Same shit. We quarantine people afflicted with highly infectious viruses because they are an imminent threat to society. Pedophiles are an imminent threat to society. They should be quarantined also. They might not kill millions, but I dunno about you, but one person's life destroyed is enough for me to want to act to prevent it.

There are many pedophiles that do not harm children. The concept that some people don't act upon all their urges, regardless of what kind of form it may be, due to self-discipline, must be a difficult concept for you to grasp your mind around.

Offenders should be punished with little mercy but you don't go around preemptively gutting people because they might be possible offenders. Punishing thought crime is utterly asinine and insane. We might as well all make a global suicide pact so that no evil could ever be done.


I wasn't clear, i was specifically referring to the pedophiles and child molestors who act upon their urges.

No, the concept of self-control is not difficult for me to understand. No need to be an asshole, guy.

My anger in these posts comes from my personally knowing (and loving) a victim of a pedophile/child molester. I know, first hand, the pain that it causes. So I am very passionate about the subject, and I wish for all pedophiles who act upon their urges to be punished to the maximum.

And no, punishing thought crimes is not my point at all. That's something that hasn't even occurred to me because it's so outlandish. My post was very unclear - the point of it was that OFFENDERS should be punished mercilessly.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32073 Posts
July 12 2012 19:40 GMT
#571
Hey guys, remember when everyone got brain washed into thinking JoePa wasn't a huge piece of shit?? That report came out today, if you havent seen it all over the news.

http://deadspin.com/5925443/everything-you-need-to-know-about-todays-withering-report-on-penn-state

JoePa, the admins, coaches and everyone there are horrible human beings. Jesus. I hope that stupid program gets at least a year ban for the cover up, and the victims sue to get all the money the alumni donated to the school in support of Paterno.

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GertHeart
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States631 Posts
July 12 2012 19:56 GMT
#572
On June 24 2012 02:34 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 00:12 xjoehammerx wrote:
On June 23 2012 15:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.

in some ways i think it's worse than murder... i won't make any assumptions, because no one who hasn't gone through something like that can understand shit about it, but i almost think i might rather be murdered. thats stupid to even say, i guess, because how the fuck would i know, but i just feel like it's true. i think it's good that people are so disgusted with the action and the person who does it, but i think it's also important to be able to forgive them on some level, and to have compassion even for them. they don't deserve it, necessarily, but i still think it's important.

this whole story is just so sad that it almost makes you want to cry. those poor kids were betrayed by everyone that should have been protecting them. fuck it makes me so mad i could punch a fucking hole through my computer screen.


Dude...no. Pedos don't deserve compassion. You cannot rehabilitate them; they never get any better. They are like rabid dogs. They need to be put down or locked up forever. Their rate of recidivism is very high because of the fact that they can't be rehabbed. They need to be freaking shot like animals.

everyone deserves some compassion, that does not mean that they deserve leniency, and that does not mean they deserve any kind of lighter punishment, but we cannot treat them the same way they treated others and still think we hold a moral high-ground.

i agree that sometimes the death penalty should be applicable to serious offenders, but not because they are pieces of shit, but because they've shown a willingness and capability of endangering society to a point where them being alive might be dangerous. some people in here are wishing (understandably) that the guy gets attacked or raped in prison. one, this would be horrible for the prisoners themselves who will do the action, and two, it is horrible to do that to anyone, i don't care what they've done. even a dog deserves the mercy of a painless death, and no one should have to live in constant fear for their dignity and life.

i won't tell someone not to hate the guy, though i think they should probably not hate the guy. i won't tell someone not to wish death on the guy, but i think someone needs to be... not on "his side" but willing to stand with the guy. that does not mean that they have to approve of him or his crimes in any way, just that even someone like him needs a certain degree of mercy. i can understand why people don't like to give mercy in situations like this, and i would never tell someone to forgive him, but even the most heinous people need some degree of forgiveness imo.


People like you are rare bud. I often try to explain that to people. Problem is so many people are simple minded. "He raped someone? HE SHOULD GET RAPED" To the other Americans in this thread. Should 600,000 Americans die because they killed 600,000 Iraqi's? Would you agree to that too? Everyone knows the saying an eye for an eye and the whole words blind. This is one of those situations, you have to stand on the higher moral ground. Punishment should be swift and unrelated to emotion, he committed this crime he should be punished accordingly to it.

Instead of people thinking this guy should die, then kill him yourself if you think that, oh right empty threats. Start saying what you mean, if you say this guy should get raped and you want him raped, do it yourself! Don't say you will do it!

I'm simply saying people need to put truth and meaning behind their words and stop making them empty. I am not literally saying rape the guy. I'm saying a lot of people have made these statements with no honesty behind it without understanding what they even mean themselves, be a little less ignorant to your own words and feelings.
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RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
July 12 2012 20:02 GMT
#573
I hope the parents and victims sue Penn State so hard that they can never open their doors again.
Mo0Rauder
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada182 Posts
July 12 2012 20:24 GMT
#574
On July 13 2012 05:02 RoosterSamurai wrote:
I hope the parents and victims sue Penn State so hard that they can never open their doors again.


Well it's not the student's fault, hopefully they should still get a good education if the school has any money left

Really though it's the fucking worst situation for everyone, the people running this school are absolutely demented. I Hope the NCAA shuts down the football program for at least a year, have you seen what they have done in the past to players or schools for simple financial violations (SMU Mustangs good example). The atrocities committed within PennState are 1000x more heinous than what happened at SMU back in the day, and they got rap... I mean they had their program demolished by the NCAA.

There needs to be a standard set so that all the other DEMENTED MOTHERFUCKERS running these schools know that they can't hide anything like this ever again.





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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 20:31:05
July 12 2012 20:30 GMT
#575
On July 13 2012 04:40 Hawk wrote:
Hey guys, remember when everyone got brain washed into thinking JoePa wasn't a huge piece of shit?? That report came out today, if you havent seen it all over the news.

http://deadspin.com/5925443/everything-you-need-to-know-about-todays-withering-report-on-penn-state

JoePa, the admins, coaches and everyone there are horrible human beings. Jesus. I hope that stupid program gets at least a year ban for the cover up, and the victims sue to get all the money the alumni donated to the school in support of Paterno.


Disgusting stuff. I agree with you. The whole damn school should be sanctioned for their criminal or at the very least, completely immoral acts.
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ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 00:39:26
July 13 2012 00:37 GMT
#576
Here's the overall report, I've read some of it so far:
http://www.thefreehreportonpsu.com/REPORT_FINAL_071212.pdf

Interesting parts:
findings - p.13
timeline p.19
on the response of the officials p. 39-80 (this is the meat it, and what people are probably most interested in)
appendix has some of the infamous notes and e-mails.
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Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 02:46:02
July 13 2012 02:45 GMT
#577
I think part of the blame should be on the U.S.'s insane worship of Football. This was obviously covered up due to Sandusky's status as the football coach. In the U.S. we don't only enjoy football, we idolize it and revere it with religious intensity. As a non-football fan it's very annoying.
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TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
July 13 2012 02:57 GMT
#578
Penn State football better be reprimanded by the NCAA big time.
#TheOneTrueDong
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
July 13 2012 02:58 GMT
#579
On July 13 2012 11:45 Tewks44 wrote:
I think part of the blame should be on the U.S.'s insane worship of Football. This was obviously covered up due to Sandusky's status as the football coach. In the U.S. we don't only enjoy football, we idolize it and revere it with religious intensity. As a non-football fan it's very annoying.


LOL you cant blame America for liking football. The blame is on Sandusky first and foremost, because without him there is none of this and then the blame is one the administration for covering it up and letting it continue.
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-13 03:06:59
July 13 2012 03:05 GMT
#580
On July 13 2012 11:45 Tewks44 wrote:
I think part of the blame should be on the U.S.'s insane worship of Football. This was obviously covered up due to Sandusky's status as the football coach. In the U.S. we don't only enjoy football, we idolize it and revere it with religious intensity. As a non-football fan it's very annoying.

Same could be said of any sport anywhere. Same could be said of Brood War and the match fixing scandal. College sports are frankly a huge business and out-of-control. I don't know how to solve the problem, the machine is so huge and there are so many people that care more about this stuff than real life and sociopolitical matters. Their morals get pretty skewed, and that's how these things can happen.

But these were individual decisions made by individuals. Any one of those in the know could have spoken up in spite of the pressure, but they did not. Which makes it all the more tragic.
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