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i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.
in some ways i think it's worse than murder... i won't make any assumptions, because no one who hasn't gone through something like that can understand shit about it, but i almost think i might rather be murdered. thats stupid to even say, i guess, because how the fuck would i know, but i just feel like it's true. i think it's good that people are so disgusted with the action and the person who does it, but i think it's also important to be able to forgive them on some level, and to have compassion even for them. they don't deserve it, necessarily, but i still think it's important.
this whole story is just so sad that it almost makes you want to cry. those poor kids were betrayed by everyone that should have been protecting them. fuck it makes me so mad i could punch a fucking hole through my computer screen.
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You know who else is as full of shit as sandusky? The entire penn state community and those who refused to believe in the accusations because they were afraid of damaging their stupid football program. They are all full of shit. Every single student and university worker who whined about the whole thing.
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On June 23 2012 12:03 Probe1 wrote:
I don't think that for all of his victims the nightmare will ever be over. That is why Sandusky is facing the possibility of life in prison. Molesting a minor isn't just shattered a childs innocence. It's risking a terrible chance of ruining a person for the rest of their lives.
The nightmare for Penn State? Maybe. I mean with time any institution will have its stain lifted by the passing years. But until this has passed well through recent memory it will still be a Blight on the university.
I want to say something but I don't really know how to say this without respecting the gravity of the crimes and how it transcends mere sports. I'm just going to say it and forgive me if it's callous to think of it at this time.
Every season until Bobby Bowden retired we had a friendly rivalry with Paterno. We were neck and neck with most wins and as fans we were pretty competitive with PSU. We'd wish that Paterno would retire or that they'd lose 12 games or whatever. Then Coach Bowden retires and ... this. It's pretty fucked up. All those years of wishing ill against Paterno and something like this happens. It makes you regret ever hoping a bad turn for your rival will help you win.
I'm confused by this last bit. Paterno helped cover this up for almost a decade.
The widespread institutional corruption in this case really hasn't gotten the press it deserves. Paterno and other senior members of the Penn State athletic program covered for a child rapist. The name "Sandusky" helps sell newspapers and draw viewers because his crimes are so horriffic, but that's not the important story here. Realistically, there's no way to prevent terrible shit like this from happening. There are sick people out there, and some of them harm children. We should support the children/families and punish the predator.
But remember, we're not talking about a man who molested a single child, which would be bad enough. We're talking about a man who was just convicted of 45 counts associated with child molestation over the last 15 years. Think of how many children could have been protected if Paterno or anyone else at Penn state had done the responsible thing and reported Sandusky to the police when they learned about his actions back in 2002. These people are criminals, and their actions (or lack therof) are almost as contemptable as Sandusky's.
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The shit has yet to hit the fan. A lot of heads gonna roll. Lot of people gonna be facing jail time and empty wallets cause of this.
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I actually hope that this guy doesn't get capital punishment or go to a solitary jail or something like that. In jail, the inmates have the least respect for "chesters" which is code came for child abusers. If this guy really did all the horrible stuff he's done, then he deserves to be locked up with the other inmates. My gosh, think of all the lives he's damaged and destroyed so far...
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On June 23 2012 15:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.
in some ways i think it's worse than murder... i won't make any assumptions, because no one who hasn't gone through something like that can understand shit about it, but i almost think i might rather be murdered. thats stupid to even say, i guess, because how the fuck would i know, but i just feel like it's true. i think it's good that people are so disgusted with the action and the person who does it, but i think it's also important to be able to forgive them on some level, and to have compassion even for them. they don't deserve it, necessarily, but i still think it's important.
this whole story is just so sad that it almost makes you want to cry. those poor kids were betrayed by everyone that should have been protecting them. fuck it makes me so mad i could punch a fucking hole through my computer screen.
Dude...no. Pedos don't deserve compassion. You cannot rehabilitate them; they never get any better. They are like rabid dogs. They need to be put down or locked up forever. Their rate of recidivism is very high because of the fact that they can't be rehabbed. They need to be freaking shot like animals.
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I hate this so much and i hate hearing about it all the time on the radio and TV it really just puts me in a bad mood its so disgusting. Whats worst is that he didn't just act alone all those people who covered up for him, really fucking makes me angry at the world really.
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Guilty. This guy is getting what he deserves. The nice thing about when these things come to surface is that not one but all the victims feel its their chance to finally come out with their secret. I can't imagine living with the story in my head for so long as some of them did, especially Sandusky's own "children." A disgusting case that seemed pretty open and shut from the start.
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On June 23 2012 17:31 Omnipresent wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 12:03 Probe1 wrote:
I don't think that for all of his victims the nightmare will ever be over. That is why Sandusky is facing the possibility of life in prison. Molesting a minor isn't just shattered a childs innocence. It's risking a terrible chance of ruining a person for the rest of their lives.
The nightmare for Penn State? Maybe. I mean with time any institution will have its stain lifted by the passing years. But until this has passed well through recent memory it will still be a Blight on the university.
I want to say something but I don't really know how to say this without respecting the gravity of the crimes and how it transcends mere sports. I'm just going to say it and forgive me if it's callous to think of it at this time.
Every season until Bobby Bowden retired we had a friendly rivalry with Paterno. We were neck and neck with most wins and as fans we were pretty competitive with PSU. We'd wish that Paterno would retire or that they'd lose 12 games or whatever. Then Coach Bowden retires and ... this. It's pretty fucked up. All those years of wishing ill against Paterno and something like this happens. It makes you regret ever hoping a bad turn for your rival will help you win. I'm confused by this last bit. Paterno helped cover this up for almost a decade. The widespread institutional corruption in this case really hasn't gotten the press it deserves. Paterno and other senior members of the Penn State athletic program covered for a child rapist. The name "Sandusky" helps sell newspapers and draw viewers because his crimes are so horriffic, but that's not the important story here. Realistically, there's no way to prevent terrible shit like this from happening. There are sick people out there, and some of them harm children. We should support the children/families and punish the predator. But remember, we're not talking about a man who molested a single child, which would be bad enough. We're talking about a man who was just convicted of 45 counts associated with child molestation over the last 15 years. Think of how many children could have been protected if Paterno or anyone else at Penn state had done the responsible thing and reported Sandusky to the police when they learned about his actions back in 2002. These people are criminals, and their actions (or lack therof) are almost as contemptable as Sandusky's.
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child molesters exists. bad as that is, theres nothing new about that. What's interesting about this case is that apparently if a child molester helps you win games, then you're allowed to continue do what you do. /headshake
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maybe im just really canadian and dont understand how it works, but is a college football program really that important in the states? in canadian universities its never had that much attention put to it
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Charges are starting to be dropped on the case : D I found it compelling the pedophile comment regarding discrimination against a mental disease. Obviously he deserves prison, but I can be sympathetic... Molesting kids should be forever in jail, except rare occasions (that even I can't think of) but thinking about weird shit like that ? I mean it's because of a low count of white matter if I recall right so it's not like he's jsut preying.
Anywho, it's been an interesting case.
They actually put a lot of money into football, it's almost absurd when you ring the numbers... I'd go as far as to say 10times the amount of a Canadian university/college.... It's just how it works.
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On June 23 2012 15:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.
I'm sure people with kids probably don't see eye to eye with you, and tbh I'd side with their views on whether or not they're human since I'll probably have kids eventually too
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its nice that the verdict was announced really fast. These kinds of cases often drag out forever.
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On June 24 2012 01:12 askTeivospy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 15:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.
I'm sure people with kids probably don't see eye to eye with you, and tbh I'd side with their views on whether or not they're human since I'll probably have kids eventually too
-.- This is why we don't let parents decide justice, and when it does happen we get ridiculous things. Revenge should never equate justice, and that's just how it is. The fact of the matter, it's not like these kids were "raped" by him... He offered them position, and they decided freely to do it. He's not fucking 5 year olds...
If someone told me today if I sucked there cock I'd get to play on an NHL team, I'd say no... You have to wonder, what type of people are saying yes? Is it all his fault?
Anyone who jockeys for position by accepting favours (sexual or not) from a superior (coach/teacher) is pretty much in fault too unless they're below 16...
So we can all burn him down, hell I agree he's twisted for doing it, but if you think those teenagers (young adults) didn't know what they were getting into, and didn't understand full well about what it meant for them personally (rising stardom) than I think you're a bit naive.
Ask yourself, would you have sex with your teacher/coach if it meant you could get ahead? Not to many people will say yes, especially 16-19 year olds...
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On June 24 2012 01:48 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 01:12 askTeivospy wrote:On June 23 2012 15:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.
I'm sure people with kids probably don't see eye to eye with you, and tbh I'd side with their views on whether or not they're human since I'll probably have kids eventually too -.- This is why we don't let parents decide justice, and when it does happen we get ridiculous things. Revenge should never equate justice, and that's just how it is. The fact of the matter, it's not like these kids were "raped" by him... He offered them position, and they decided freely to do it. He's not fucking 5 year olds... If someone told me today if I sucked there cock I'd get to play on an NHL team, I'd say no... You have to wonder, what type of people are saying yes? Is it all his fault? Anyone who jockeys for position by accepting favours (sexual or not) from a superior (coach/teacher) is pretty much in fault too unless they're below 16... So we can all burn him down, hell I agree he's twisted for doing it, but if you think those teenagers (young adults) didn't know what they were getting into, and didn't understand full well about what it meant for them personally (rising stardom) than I think you're a bit naive. Ask yourself, would you have sex with your teacher/coach if it meant you could get ahead? Not to many people will say yes, especially 16-19 year olds...
Are you serious? Did you pay any attention to the case and some of the victims' stories?
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On June 24 2012 01:48 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 01:12 askTeivospy wrote:On June 23 2012 15:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.
I'm sure people with kids probably don't see eye to eye with you, and tbh I'd side with their views on whether or not they're human since I'll probably have kids eventually too -.- This is why we don't let parents decide justice, and when it does happen we get ridiculous things. Revenge should never equate justice, and that's just how it is. The fact of the matter, it's not like these kids were "raped" by him... He offered them position, and they decided freely to do it. He's not fucking 5 year olds... If someone told me today if I sucked there cock I'd get to play on an NHL team, I'd say no... You have to wonder, what type of people are saying yes? Is it all his fault? Anyone who jockeys for position by accepting favours (sexual or not) from a superior (coach/teacher) is pretty much in fault too unless they're below 16... So we can all burn him down, hell I agree he's twisted for doing it, but if you think those teenagers (young adults) didn't know what they were getting into, and didn't understand full well about what it meant for them personally (rising stardom) than I think you're a bit naive. Ask yourself, would you have sex with your teacher/coach if it meant you could get ahead? Not to many people will say yes, especially 16-19 year olds...
Read the story please, you sound like a fucking idiot.
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On June 24 2012 01:12 askTeivospy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 15:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.
I'm sure people with kids probably don't see eye to eye with you, and tbh I'd side with their views on whether or not they're human since I'll probably have kids eventually too
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Guy fucked up bad, him and everybody else involved are due justice, but inflicting the actions they brought about back on them is silly. They need to sit in jail for a long long time, in this case, I doubt this person will ever be fit for society again. But they're still humans, and wishing death and the same despair upon them is perpetuating the validity of such rape and abuse as "tools of justice."
Shit situation, my heart goes out to every one of those kids, everyone hurt, and everyone involved in it for making such grave mistakes that will warp them for the rest of their lives. Sad sad day.
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On June 24 2012 01:48 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 01:12 askTeivospy wrote:On June 23 2012 15:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.
I'm sure people with kids probably don't see eye to eye with you, and tbh I'd side with their views on whether or not they're human since I'll probably have kids eventually too -.- This is why we don't let parents decide justice, and when it does happen we get ridiculous things. Revenge should never equate justice, and that's just how it is. The fact of the matter, it's not like these kids were "raped" by him... He offered them position, and they decided freely to do it. He's not fucking 5 year olds... If someone told me today if I sucked there cock I'd get to play on an NHL team, I'd say no... You have to wonder, what type of people are saying yes? Is it all his fault? Anyone who jockeys for position by accepting favours (sexual or not) from a superior (coach/teacher) is pretty much in fault too unless they're below 16... So we can all burn him down, hell I agree he's twisted for doing it, but if you think those teenagers (young adults) didn't know what they were getting into, and didn't understand full well about what it meant for them personally (rising stardom) than I think you're a bit naive. Ask yourself, would you have sex with your teacher/coach if it meant you could get ahead? Not to many people will say yes, especially 16-19 year olds...
WTF...because rape victims had it coming, right? It is their own fault? This post is rather disgusting. I think you need to clarify your position because it sounds to me like you are blaming a victim for a crime, then saying that the perpetrator is not guilty even though HIS OWN SON has come and and said that he was abused as well...
On June 24 2012 01:59 Alay wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 01:12 askTeivospy wrote:On June 23 2012 15:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.
I'm sure people with kids probably don't see eye to eye with you, and tbh I'd side with their views on whether or not they're human since I'll probably have kids eventually too An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Guy fucked up bad, him and everybody else involved are due justice, but inflicting the actions they brought about back on them is silly. They need to sit in jail for a long long time, in this case, I doubt this person will ever be fit for society again. But they're still humans, and wishing death and the same despair upon them is perpetuating the validity of such rape and abuse as "tools of justice." Shit situation, my heart goes out to every one of those kids, everyone hurt, and everyone involved in it for making such grave mistakes that will warp them for the rest of their lives. Sad sad day.
I have a son and I will say that I am someone that refuses to teach my son that all people are bad and we need to be scared of them. I also do not wish this scum of the earth to die, just to serve the sentence that is applicable and never be allowed to be around children again. That is a true torture and punishment that this man deserves.
I do agree that we need to resist the temptation to resort to harmful acts upon what can only be classified as a monster, but then again, you are innocent when you dream...thinking something and do something are two different actions, so have fun...
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On June 24 2012 02:00 TheAmazombie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 01:48 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On June 24 2012 01:12 askTeivospy wrote:On June 23 2012 15:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.
I'm sure people with kids probably don't see eye to eye with you, and tbh I'd side with their views on whether or not they're human since I'll probably have kids eventually too -.- This is why we don't let parents decide justice, and when it does happen we get ridiculous things. Revenge should never equate justice, and that's just how it is. The fact of the matter, it's not like these kids were "raped" by him... He offered them position, and they decided freely to do it. He's not fucking 5 year olds... If someone told me today if I sucked there cock I'd get to play on an NHL team, I'd say no... You have to wonder, what type of people are saying yes? Is it all his fault? Anyone who jockeys for position by accepting favours (sexual or not) from a superior (coach/teacher) is pretty much in fault too unless they're below 16... So we can all burn him down, hell I agree he's twisted for doing it, but if you think those teenagers (young adults) didn't know what they were getting into, and didn't understand full well about what it meant for them personally (rising stardom) than I think you're a bit naive. Ask yourself, would you have sex with your teacher/coach if it meant you could get ahead? Not to many people will say yes, especially 16-19 year olds... WTF...because rape victims had it coming, right? It is their own fault? This post is rather disgusting. I think you need to clarify your position because it sounds to me like you are blaming a victim for a crime, then saying that the perpetrator is not guilty even though HIS OWN SON has come and and said that he was abused as well...
Did he hold them down and slam them?
I'm saying that this isn't some teenage girl walking down the street raped by a guy, this is victim after victim who were given options... This is very similar to Fleury's case a few months ago (and the book he came out with)...
Obviously, it's his fault that he was suggestive and his fault for doing the act, but if you want to tell me that victim after victim for X number of years were raped (full out, no choice raped) then, that's plain bullshit, this isn't a serial rapists catching girls and boys at preschool... its a coach taking advantage of weak kids wanting position, and the kids take the chance to move up.
Do I think he deserves life? Yes. Obviously we shouldn't let someone in position act in such a manner... But to think it was 100% him, and no choice given to any victim? imagine... Let's not live in a fairy tale, they're going to sensationalize their story "I had no option, it was that or nothing!" which again is where you bring yourself to ask... What would you have done?
Each one of those victims, was given position (ranked up) or allowed to stay because of what they did, some moved farther in the career because of it.
My position, is yes he had sex with these victims (in one way or another) but if we think they had no option and no way out, all of them? Then I believe we're fooling ourselves.
Oh and finally, calm down with the progressive shitstorm, it's a discussion... Not a crusade, this is my opinion you can refute and debate it (as discussions go) but no need get agitated... I have very intimate knowledge of rape (and murder) first hand as one of my friends (Amber Kirwan) is now dead because of such things.
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On June 24 2012 02:06 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 02:00 TheAmazombie wrote:On June 24 2012 01:48 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On June 24 2012 01:12 askTeivospy wrote:On June 23 2012 15:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i hate what they do, and to a certain degree, i have an uncontrollable hatred and disgust of the person who does something like that, but i think it's important to... not fight, but resist that reaction. i mean, they are fucking disgusting, they are horrible, they deserve something that i can't even describe... but they are humans too. i don't want the guy to be raped or murdered.
I'm sure people with kids probably don't see eye to eye with you, and tbh I'd side with their views on whether or not they're human since I'll probably have kids eventually too -.- This is why we don't let parents decide justice, and when it does happen we get ridiculous things. Revenge should never equate justice, and that's just how it is. The fact of the matter, it's not like these kids were "raped" by him... He offered them position, and they decided freely to do it. He's not fucking 5 year olds... If someone told me today if I sucked there cock I'd get to play on an NHL team, I'd say no... You have to wonder, what type of people are saying yes? Is it all his fault? Anyone who jockeys for position by accepting favours (sexual or not) from a superior (coach/teacher) is pretty much in fault too unless they're below 16... So we can all burn him down, hell I agree he's twisted for doing it, but if you think those teenagers (young adults) didn't know what they were getting into, and didn't understand full well about what it meant for them personally (rising stardom) than I think you're a bit naive. Ask yourself, would you have sex with your teacher/coach if it meant you could get ahead? Not to many people will say yes, especially 16-19 year olds... WTF...because rape victims had it coming, right? It is their own fault? This post is rather disgusting. I think you need to clarify your position because it sounds to me like you are blaming a victim for a crime, then saying that the perpetrator is not guilty even though HIS OWN SON has come and and said that he was abused as well... Did he hold them down and slam them? I'm saying that this isn't some teenage girl walking down the street raped by a guy, this is victim after victim who were given options... This is very similar to Fleury's case a few months ago (and the book he came out with)... Obviously, it's his fault that he was suggestive and his fault for doing the act, but if you want to tell me that victim after victim for X number of years were raped (full out, no choice raped) then, that's plain bullshit, this isn't a serial rapists catching girls and boys at preschool... its a coach taking advantage of weak kids wanting position, and the kids take the chance to move up. Do I think he deserves life? Yes. Obviously we shouldn't let someone in position act in such a manner... But to think it was 100% him, and no choice given to any victim? imagine... Let's not live in a fairy tale, they're going to sensationalize their story "I had no option, it was that or nothing!" which again is where you bring yourself to ask... What would you have done? Each one of those victims, was given position (ranked up) or allowed to stay because of what they did, some moved farther in the career because of it. My position, is yes he had sex with these victims (in one way or another) but if we think they had no option and no way out, all of them? Then I believe we're fooling ourselves.
Okay, so you are arguing the definition of rape. That I can understand and debate, but in this case, everything met the conditions of the legal definition of rape.
Also, just giving someone an "option" does not always mean they have much of an option and their hands aren't tied. As youth we are (generally) taught to listen and respect our elders, so sometimes children, who are the most vulnerable, are put in a situation where they might actually have an option, but don't have the understanding to know how dangerous a situation or person is, or think that they just need to choose what the adult wants them to choose out of respect, or even selfish reason, to get something in return, but they really don't know the full extent of the situation.
Adults are then put into position of power over youth and with power comes responsibility. He, as an adult and with the child in his custody, has a social and moral responsibility to the child and the child's parents, at least that is how I see it and even just approaching a youth in such a manner is reprehensible, even if he gave the child a "choice."
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