EPTReally, a few people have brought up the argument of how it's like homosexuality in some ways, and I'd have to agree. Telling someone what you like is terrible and telling them they can't live in society is kind of... dumb. You know what would help? Making it not so looked down upon in society. How about letting them know that there are people out there to help them (first, we need to find people out there to help them).
Man sentenced to life for possession of child porn - Page 12
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
Really, a few people have brought up the argument of how it's like homosexuality in some ways, and I'd have to agree. Telling someone what you like is terrible and telling them they can't live in society is kind of... dumb. You know what would help? Making it not so looked down upon in society. How about letting them know that there are people out there to help them (first, we need to find people out there to help them). | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
Why is everyone saying he deserves it? Sure if I was the parent and it were my kids he had pictures of I would have hatred running through my veins, but at the end of the day, he did no harm to this children - someone else did. He just used the material that was presented to him. It's like saying someone who does illegal drugs deserves life in prison, even if it were his first crime. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
This is not to say that the possession of child pornography is not wrong, but it does reflect that the moral compass in North America has probably lost its way. | ||
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RonNation
United States385 Posts
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:33 ScoSteSal wrote: To you who say that "he probably did worse stuff that we don't know about" or "he is twisted enuf that he doesn't deserve to be in society," the former is utterly nonsensical and is absolutely nothing more than saying "well, I can imagine that he may well have done bad things so let's prosecute him for those bad things I can imagine him having done" (are you actually so ignorant and/or simpleminded that you cannot grasp the foundational legal principle in most of the civilized world of "innocent until proven guilty"?). The latter goes back to my first argument about scale and also to this: you do not destroy your human rights by acting in an immoral way, and even if you did, your human rights could not be brushed aside until your guilt of acting in such immoral ways had been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt (see below). The laws are based on the fact that child porn increases the demand which in turns increases the commercial sexual exploitation of children. Just because you're not paying for it doesn't mean there are more and more children now being increasingly sexually abused. Demand of child porn increases CSEC. Research has proven this and the fact that there is a significant relationship between child pornography and later child sexual abuse. It needs to be seen on a scale that starts minor and develops over time. Clearly, the punishment is far too excessive. Deterrence doesn't work and the continued reliance on the punitive system / just desserts model has failed and will continue to fail in the United States. | ||
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:41 RonNation wrote: really sad how many TLrs think this punishment is too much Really sad how many people think the download of some pictures and videos is worthy of life imprisonment. | ||
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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
The person who sentenced him should have his judging license revoked and this man should be sentenced MUUUUUUUCH lighter. | ||
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matjlav
Germany2435 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:41 RonNation wrote: really sad how many TLrs think this punishment is too much I really don't understand why people like you have such a need to find people to irrationally hate in order to feel morally superior. Honestly, it's not much different from things like homophobia... | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:39 Misanthrope wrote: Just fucking castrate him and get it over with. Because murder, rape, and things of that nature are vastly less severe than downloading something on the internet, right? | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Even cartoon depictions of children having sex can get you into serious trouble in the US. No, it doesn't make much sense if you think about it, but that's just the way it is. And trying to argue it - don't even bother; if there's one thing the American public agrees on, it's that pedophiles deserve whatever's coming to them. Again, I think there's a bit of "nobody wants to be shown being lenient on pedophiles" thing going on. | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:41 RonNation wrote: really sad how many TLrs think this punishment is too much So, you think simply looking at images of child abuse is a worse crime than the abuse itself? Remember, the article clearly states that child molesters actually often get lesser sentences than this, and he didn't actually abuse a single child. | ||
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Stress
United States980 Posts
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
On November 06 2011 10:15 madcow305 wrote: Sex, and sex-based crimes have always received a disproportionate amount of punishment and scorn from society. EDIT: The people who posted before me are perfect examples of how warped society's view on sex and sex crimes are. . You are implying American society, I hope? Because sexual topics are generally less censored in Europe generally as a comparison form what I hear. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
I can't even imagine what was going through the judge's mind, allowing this. There's no way this'll hold up when the appeal is reviewed. | ||
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
you may be able to pull one over on the highschool or undergrad bunch but the more experienced in social science research among us will know it is simply unfeasible to prove full causality in almost all cases. if there's one thing the American public agrees on, it's that pedophiles deserve whatever's coming to them. I live in Texas. we kill more people than almost any other state and certainly more than any country that is even remotely considered to be civilized. maybe if you came here and saw how bad it was to leave decisions of justice up to the hateful, uneducated blood lust of the American people you would change your mind. or maybe you would fit in here and enjoy yourself, I don't know. but what I can say is that many outside of this state share my opinion that most people here are little better than barbarians when it comes to social justice. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
Regarding whether or not life punishment is too much just for watching said material, I don't think so. It's obviously wrong in that it indirectly can increase the supply&demand of such material, but they're not directly harming anyone in what they do. I think there's plenty of better alternative forms of punishment than just sticking them in jail for life though. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:42 Dknight wrote: Can you cite the research you're referring to, please? (I don't disbelieve you, but I'd be interested in seeing the details of that.)The laws are based on the fact that child porn increases the demand which in turns increases the commercial sexual exploitation of children. Just because you're not paying for it doesn't mean there are more and more children now being increasingly sexually abused. Demand of child porn increases CSEC. Research has proven this and the fact that there is a significant relationship between child pornography and later child sexual abuse. It needs to be seen on a scale that starts minor and develops over time. Clearly, the punishment is far too excessive. Deterrence doesn't work and the continued reliance on the punitive system / just desserts model has failed and will continue to fail in the United States. Sevryn did make what I thought was a good point in this connection, earlier: On November 06 2011 12:06 Sevryn wrote: downloading child porn helps the child porn industry but downloading music hurts the music industry. Also, if I may quote an earlier post of mine in this thread: On November 06 2011 10:57 qrs wrote: It's been estimated that secondhand smoke kills about 3,000 people a year. Does that make every smoker a mass murderer? | ||
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