EPTJudge beats daughter for using the internet - Page 56
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Archers_bane
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NFMachine
United States2 Posts
In this case, the father does not approve of the internet, specifically pirating, so he made a rule no pirating and moderate the internet usage. We really have no right to say this is a bad rule even though we may disagree with it; it is his life, his child. The child disobeyed, punishment follows. Even so, the real trouble here is the comments he makes to her as he is punishing her. There is definite evidence of abuse, especially mental / emotional, no question. However, you cannot use this as an example and broadly state all corporal punishment is wrong. Just as I cannot use what I am about to say to say corporal punishment is all right. Now before your rage fully sets in, although I guess I should already assume you have hit reply to blindly yell at me or have dismissed this post completely: As I child, if I disobeyed, a threat was given, then followed through with if I was persistent. I have been hit with belts, wooden spoons, swift kicks, etc. all in the rear end, never my identity (my face). My father and mother love me very much, and made sure I knew I was being punished for my actions. They would never say things like "what happened to you, you used to be good now you are horrible" or "I cannot believe I let you live in my house" And after the event they would always return and say "we love you very much, and it is our job to make sure you are responsible and productive, and your actions were neither" Just as a side bar, if I or my siblings ever said "I hate you", they would always respond with "good, I am not your friend, I am your parent, I am hear to help you grow not coddle you" That is a parent, in my opinion, obviously it was how I was raised. And guess what, by the time I was 10+ years old it was no longer necessary to follow through, I knew the threat given was real, and was never hit, nor grounded because I knew what would happen so I was responsible. I also grew up to be a successful and talented engineer who knows how to make choices for myself, and has two very proud and loving parents. Same with my sister (doctor not engineer), although when she was young she would factor the punishment into her decision and would just accept the consequences if she really wanted to do whatever was forbidden. My youngest brother is the anomaly, he could not care less and just did whatever he wanted and then just tried to get away with it, hahaha. So again, wide variety of personalities need a wide variety of training techniques. | ||
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Egyptian_Head
South Africa508 Posts
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
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thirnaz
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Camail
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laharl23
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
Although, I have to say; the girl is pretty stupid. She's basically just sitting there and crying in the corner (not to say I wouldn't cry - I definitely would) but it's not like she can't fight back and call the police or something. At 0:30 I see a monitor, probably a keyboard somewhere in there, a bookshelf, a chair, and I'll bet there were scissors or something. Regardless, I hope both parents get locked up for a loooong time.. and I'm sure the other inmates won't be nice. | ||
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idonthinksobro
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Meanwhile, Domino's Pizza in Rockport said it had received more than 20 online orders and nine phone orders for pizza to be delivered to the judge's home address. "We actually made and delivered two pizzas before we caught on last night," said store manager Sean Hunt. "No one was answering the door or the phone calls at that address... I've worked here for a little over a year, and I've never seen anything like this happen." the internet has weird ways to deal with stuff. | ||
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laharl23
United States582 Posts
On November 03 2011 06:01 Jaso wrote: Wow.. I wonder how this got recorded and got out.. but those parents are awful. Does this happen a lot in the south? o_o. Although, I have to say; the girl is pretty stupid. She's basically just sitting there and crying in the corner (not to say I wouldn't cry - I definitely would) but it's not like she can't fight back and call the police or something. At 0:30 I see a monitor, probably a keyboard somewhere in there, a bookshelf, a chair, and I'll bet there were scissors or something. Regardless, I hope both parents get locked up for a loooong time.. and I'm sure the other inmates won't be nice. shes a 16 year old and that guy is like 50 and huge, fighting back would only make her get beat more. | ||
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Primal666
Slovenia418 Posts
On November 03 2011 06:01 Jaso wrote: Wow.. I wonder how this got recorded and got out.. but those parents are awful. Does this happen a lot in the south? o_o. Although, I have to say; the girl is pretty stupid. She's basically just sitting there and crying in the corner (not to say I wouldn't cry - I definitely would) but it's not like she can't fight back and call the police or something. At 0:30 I see a monitor, probably a keyboard somewhere in there, a bookshelf, a chair, and I'll bet there were scissors or something. Regardless, I hope both parents get locked up for a loooong time.. and I'm sure the other inmates won't be nice. You know, she probably made this video. | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On November 03 2011 06:04 Primal666 wrote: You know, she probably made this video. ROFL fight back? Are you fucking serious? She could have reported him earlier, sure. Not sure why she didn't. But fight back is probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard. And she recorded it and posted it herself. | ||
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Raagruk
Canada66 Posts
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
I'm going to make this point first since I think it's the most important one: Children can, obviously, be raised without corporal punishment. I have, most people I know have and in fact I think most young adults in Europe have. What actually confuses me most is that very often parents seem to go almost way overboard with the things they will do to keep their children from harm. Whether it's telling them not to talk to strangers, not allowing them to be in public places alone, not giving them vaccines, telling them not to eat or drink unhealthy stuff, telling them what people they shouldn't be friends with, using the internet, and so on including many things that don't really have any factual backing. However this does not apply to hitting your own child. I mean can anyone really argue, disregarding all science and whatever actual facts there may or may not be on the subject, that hitting your children is always 100% safe and guarantee that no harm will come from it? Doesn't it at some point feel at least a little bit weird that you should never hit anyone, except your own child? Doesn't it sound a bit wrong to punish a child who you are trying to teach the value of morals and being a decent human being with violence? And since it is absolutely 100% possible to raise a child without striking her why would you ever even consider taking the risk of doing so? This is what I don't understand. You protect your child from all other sorts of risks that can be avoided but not the risk of having hurt in one way or another by being beaten by your parent. Secondly corporal punishment being legal provides a big issue in these kind of cases. Did this dad really go over the line, after all he was just punishing his disobedient daughter. Where do you draw the line? How many people will cross the line and get away with it because of the fuzziness of the line? Why even risk parents crossing the line and getting away with it even if they get caught when the simple act of making it illegal stops that issue without having any negative impact on the children? A no tolerance rule would seem like a win/win situation for the children: no allowing stepping over the line while not making it any worse for any child. Surely what's best for the children must be what is ultimately what we want? It seems that most scientific evidence supports the fact that corporal punishment is possibly harmful to the child. In a meta analysis done in 2002 by Elizabeth Gershoff they found that people who had been hit as a child had higher chances of develop for instance decreased quality in their relationship with the parents and poorer moral standards as a child. I hardly find that surprising. You are trying to teach your children what's right and what's wrong and one of the very foundations of that is that it is not all right to use violence on someone else. Then you use violence to enforce this, what kind of message does that send to your children? That it is ok to hit people? That it is ok to hit people you love? That it is ok to only hit you? I honestly don't know how kids think about being hit by their parents while being taught it's not ok to hit anyone. The TLDR version is: This is all quite aweful. The comments and defences of this guy and corporal punishment in general not least. | ||
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On November 03 2011 04:46 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Me too. This Dr. Phil video is many levels worse. That woman is fucking disgusting, shes too bad at being a fucking parent that she cant get her kids to behave by having them respect and love her, instead they have to fear her. If she were my mother, I would keep her the FUCK away from her grandkids, and she would not be invited to be a part of my life after I turned 18. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
to be completely honest, this type of punishment is common, exception of her age, especially during my child hood. it could have been a lot worse but i think most of you guys are over reacting to it, as if he actually fist punched her. for example, i see nothing with the video below. different reasons but same amount of anger i guess. uncle doesn't want this kid acting like a gangster while the judge wasn't her child exposed to the evils of the interwebz. whats wrong and right aside, how they value the wrong-ness is the same. i'm not saying its wrong or right, i just think the reaction is overboard because it certainly isn't enough for me to get angry, if he PUNCHED her, i would. | ||
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FuTon
United States308 Posts
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AutomatonOmega
United States706 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:57 NFMachine wrote: + Show Spoiler + Corporal punishment is not always a bad thing. I have seen many parents raise children with the self governed freedom and, at best, "reason" with them to behave; and see them turn out absolutely useless. And I am not saying either are right or wrong, I am just saying we cannot make blanket statements, every child is different. Even so, as with anything, punishment administered incorrectly teaches your children the wrong messages. In this case, the father does not approve of the internet, specifically pirating, so he made a rule no pirating and moderate the internet usage. We really have no right to say this is a bad rule even though we may disagree with it; it is his life, his child. The child disobeyed, punishment follows. Even so, the real trouble here is the comments he makes to her as he is punishing her. There is definite evidence of abuse, especially mental / emotional, no question. However, you cannot use this as an example and broadly state all corporal punishment is wrong. Just as I cannot use what I am about to say to say corporal punishment is all right. Now before your rage fully sets in, although I guess I should already assume you have hit reply to blindly yell at me or have dismissed this post completely: As I child, if I disobeyed, a threat was given, then followed through with if I was persistent. I have been hit with belts, wooden spoons, swift kicks, etc. all in the rear end, never my identity (my face). My father and mother love me very much, and made sure I knew I was being punished for my actions. They would never say things like "what happened to you, you used to be good now you are horrible" or "I cannot believe I let you live in my house" And after the event they would always return and say "we love you very much, and it is our job to make sure you are responsible and productive, and your actions were neither" Just as a side bar, if I or my siblings ever said "I hate you", they would always respond with "good, I am not your friend, I am your parent, I am hear to help you grow not coddle you" That is a parent, in my opinion, obviously it was how I was raised. And guess what, by the time I was 10+ years old it was no longer necessary to follow through, I knew the threat given was real, and was never hit, nor grounded because I knew what would happen so I was responsible. I also grew up to be a successful and talented engineer who knows how to make choices for myself, and has two very proud and loving parents. Same with my sister (doctor not engineer), although when she was young she would factor the punishment into her decision and would just accept the consequences if she really wanted to do whatever was forbidden. My youngest brother is the anomaly, he could not care less and just did whatever he wanted and then just tried to get away with it, hahaha. So again, wide variety of personalities need a wide variety of training techniques. There's a fine line between properly executed corporal punishment though, and a parent exacting revenge on their child through violent means. Be mindful of the difference. What I've experienced, and what's displayed in that video, are the latter. In fact, I'm not even sure the former even exists. Edit: Spoiler tags on the wall 'o' text. Edit again: Suppose however that the child has ADHD, Asperger's Syndrome, or something. Corporal Punishment simply can't be assumed to work under those conditions, the kid's capacity to learn from it is diminished by their condition. | ||
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br0fivE
Canada349 Posts
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ImHuko
United States996 Posts
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