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IcariumJhag
United States21 Posts
It effects different people in different ways just because you got through it does not mean its good for others. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On November 03 2011 04:37 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Disregarding your blatant racism, maybe Saudis and Kurds (that's the only folks I've heard those stories about), but having been to Lebanon, lol the people seem generally better than folks in the US. Funny you of all people are trying to pull the racist card on someone... Anyways, this video is pretty disturbing and saddening. Does anyone know if law enforcement has become involved? And anyone who thinks this father's actions are well within normal parenting practice needs a reality check or needs to be prevented from having children of their own. | ||
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:02 SupLilSon wrote: Corporal Punishment is legal in Texas so there is really no law enforcement to be had. Hopefully all the bad press will force him to resign his position as judge. Funny you of all people are trying to pull the racist card on someone... Anyways, this video is pretty disturbing and saddening. Does anyone know if law enforcement has become involved? A shit-ton of people know his address and are angry though, at the very least someone will probably ring his door bell and pelt him with a leather belt. | ||
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Roeder
Denmark735 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:02 SupLilSon wrote: Anyways, this video is pretty disturbing and saddening. Does anyone know if law enforcement has become involved? Yes. From reddit. http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/lxr45/update_aransas_county_texas_judge_burt_mills_has/ | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On November 03 2011 04:50 Sgonzo wrote: from reading this thread i would assume european child abuse cases are not as prevelant as in north america? if so i wonder if anybody cares to put forward a theory on why I have no clue why. Sure it happens in the poor neighborhoods of the Netherlands. But at least where I live it's looked down upon. If someone hit their child with a belt here everybody would be talking about it. Other parents would avoid you because they think you're a crazy person/ child molester. If some kid got beat by his dad my parents wouldn't have even let me play at his house. | ||
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drakeAZURE
Iceland8 Posts
If there is a problem where you think the answer is to spank or beat your child. Then its probably your fault as a parent and how you raised your child. I am sorry cause my language barrier is halting me allot to talk about this the way I think. I am a father of 2 little girls and I would not DARE lay a hand on them, and if there is any parents here that spank or beat there kids.. Then I dare you to speak up. This is just sick, no matter where in the world it is. | ||
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Setev
Malaysia390 Posts
On November 03 2011 04:35 MiraMax wrote: Reading this thread I saw posters who got beat when they were young and those that were not condemning this practice. Then there are people who got beat as a child condoning this type of parenting. This makes me wonder: Is there anybody here who never got beat as a child, but thinks that beatings with a belt are fine? I've never got beaten by my parents when I'm child, only by teachers, and I'd condone punishment with a cane, not a belt. A cane delivers sharp, stinging pain, while leaving absolutely no marks on the skin and of course, no internal damage. Caning must be delivered by experienced individuals though, and the reasons for caning are made very clear. | ||
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Sgonzo
Canada202 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Xingke
United States78 Posts
Also if all of this happened for the reason in the youtube description then this is pretty screwed up. | ||
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TeH_CaRnAg3
United States239 Posts
But yah I would beat this dudes ass for this video for sure. | ||
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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
TL:DR Asians think belting kids as discipline is fine, while white people think it's barbaric. Both sides agree that the judge went way overboard and is a douche. I think I saved everyone 54 pages. | ||
Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
On November 03 2011 01:34 TheBomb wrote: Wow you are one simple minded tool. Humans are not dogs. Training is not the same as teaching. Yeah I can teach my dog to lift up his palm when I say hi, but if I don't punish him for trashing the trash he is going to do it over and over and over again. And while the dog doesn't understand what the "hi" means, to him when you say hi and he lifts his paw up it means cookie and that is training, that is not understanding. Now I'm not saying the only way to teach kids is by punishing them, but its one of the many tools you could use. I actually have found that parents who don't punish their kids at all, their kids are stupid, spoiled brats that cause all sorts of trouble and even when their parents start saying "jimmy sweety don't do that" the kids does it even more and the whole family kinds of gets embarrassed if it in public by how their kid couldn't care less about what they say to him. O yeah I've set with such parents a lot of times and their kids are like wild animals put out of a cage and don't behave at all and when they start causing too much commotion and get on everyone's nerves and the parents try to control the kids they can't because he doesn't listen to them and they sit there embarrassed trying to make jokes about it, to alleviate some of their guilt and responsibility. In fact when I see children outside yelling like crazy at 4pm when you are trying to relax and stuff, I know they have crap parents that don't discipline them, don't teach them. But again spanking in just one of the tools you can use, of course beating a child and spanking it are two different things. There is a limit on that and I'm sure all of us have been beaten by our parents dozens of times as we've been growing up and do we all have scars of it, are we all depressed for the rest of our lives? No, because humans are not as weak as you make them out to be. In this case I've already made my points clear and I won't be repeating them, but you sir need to broaden your scope of understanding. Hi, I see you don't understand context. I brought up operant training because the poster I was responding to brought up how we are all basically animals. But to the example you brought up, there are a lot of owners who punish their dog for getting into the trash or causing havok who never get any results from the punishment - punishment alone doesn't actually correct the behavior, it just suppresses it. If the animal understands that it'll only get punished when you're near, they'll just do whatever they're not supposed to do when you're not there. And you are the simple minded one if you think conditioning a child is that much different from conditioning a household animal. A child is much more governed by immediate desires than their ability to reason why they desire something and if they actually need and can reasonably demand the thing they desire. I'm not saying that punishment in all forms is bad. If a child is unruly in a situation with other children and won't listen, it is perfectly fine to remove that child from the situation and give it a time out. Telling a child "no" and providing consequences is absolute the correct thing to do in many situations. But striking the child NEVER helps. It seriously doesn't. It never has - ever. It might make some parents feel better - and some parents might think that they get results by causing physical pain or discomfort, because they're misinformed. But it really doesn't. Spanking/corporeal punishment is only a tool for people who don't know better. It's been proven in study after study that harsh punishment (which includes spanking) isn't guaranteed correct the undesired behavior, and in many cases it'll only make the child fearful, aggressive, depressed, anti social, cause lack of concentration in school, etc. The list of potential negative side-effects is long. So if it doesn't even work and it might actually cause more problems, why even do it? Here's a few things I found through some cursory googling: Children Who Are Spanked Have Lower IQs, New Research Finds http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm Spanking Kids Increases Risk Of Sexual Problems As Adults http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080228220451.htm Spanking Found To Have Negative Effects On Low-Income Toddlers http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090915100941.htm "Spanking 1-year-olds leads to more aggressive behaviors and less sophisticated cognitive development in the next two years. Verbal punishment is not associated with such effects" If you really want to read up and you're just not a "simple minded tool," even though I suspect you are, you can start here: http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/CP-Empirical.htm I can help you find more research when you're done. And that's not even the tip of the iceberg. I hopefully just helped you broaden your scope of understanding. You're welcome! | ||
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StavrosHL
Greece128 Posts
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Mafs
Canada458 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:02 IcariumJhag wrote: To all the people in this thread saying I got belted when I was kid, so it must be ok: It effects different people in different ways just because you got through it does not mean its good for others. Its good for complete idiots who don't understand words and sympathy from good parents. Otherwise it's not necessary to spank them. You can just to be safe. Personally I think almost no one in America has been spanked so they are really sensitive on this issue because they are wimps and can't take a little pain. When people say this is torture I laugh at them. If they think this is torture, I can show and simulate real torture on them, then I'd like to see them say that spanking even hurts. Also the title is EXTREMELY misleading, she was caught pirating music and videos on the internet in the description of the video. As someone who is a judge, would you let your daughter get away with copyright theft? If you would, you are a horrible judge who doesn't even understand how laws work.If not then you have to make the decision to discipline her yourself, or send her to prison for the crime. Admitted he did take it too far, and should have stopped earlier, but her mother did the right thing. | ||
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gentile
Switzerland594 Posts
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oDieN[Siege]
United States2905 Posts
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slam
United States923 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:17 Mafs wrote: Its good for complete idiots who don't understand words and sympathy from good parents. Otherwise it's not necessary to spank them. You can just to be safe. Personally I think almost no one in America has been spanked so they are really sensitive on this issue because they are wimps and can't take a little pain. When people say this is torture I laugh at them. If they think this is torture, I can show and simulate real torture on them, then I'd like to see them say that spanking even hurts. Also the title is EXTREMELY misleading, she was caught pirating music and videos on the internet in the description of the video. As someone who is a judge, would you let your daughter get away with copyright theft? If you would, you are a horrible judge who doesn't even understand how laws work.If not then you have to make the decision to discipline her yourself, or send her to prison for the crime. Admitted he did take it too far, and should have stopped earlier, but her mother did the right thing. Why do you need to get racist? | ||
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DarkEnergy
Netherlands542 Posts
On November 03 2011 04:14 Vehemus wrote: I don't feel any sympathy for a sixteen year old girl in this situation. If she had listened to her parents, it wouldn't have happened at all. And if she had taken her whipping like she was asked to, none of this would have happened either. It's a little odd to still be giving spankings when someone's sixteen years old; but clearly this girl just wants to do whatever she wants and doesn't care what her parents tell her. And her father, being a judge, clearly has a very strong sense of what he believes is justice. Getting hit with a belt on the ass isn't going to do anything but sting for a little while, and at worst swell up and leave a red mark. It's not going to cause any permanent damage at all, and while I don't agree with him swiping at her legs and hitting her over and over again, she should have just fucking listened and taken her spanking for clearly blatantly disobeying what her parents told her. The second video is extremely disturbing. The child is extremely young and is still learning right from wrong. Making someone stand in a cold shower or hold hot sauce in their mouth is brutal, and is far more psychologically damaging than having to bend over and take a spanking, especially considering the age of the child. A sixteen year old knows the difference between right and wrong entirely. How can you believe that ? It is only natural that a child starts disobeying their parents especially in their teen years. They grow up think for them selfs, feel the need to rebel and become more independent more distant. You have to use your mouth to try to nudge them into the right direction and let them fall to pick them back up again. Wy do people think that you can teach right and wrong true fear and pain ? you will never have harmony in your house if you use fear and pain to control or as a detergent. Violence sometimes seems to help but the effect is always temporary. I will not start quoting Gandhi or Confucius but people common think about it. She/He will obey you because she/he loves and you respects you. If not express your concerns and try to have a discussion about it. When i was young i was fucking up my school and smoked weed etc, started to destroy myself. My dad pulled my aside and told me that he was disappointed in me and it hurt him to see me acting like that. And those words hit you o boy it hits harder then a smack in the face and makes you think about your actions and relation. I would say a well formed human being would not submit under these commands, these attacks on their person. "she should have just fucking listened and taken her spanking" You must resist it and not give it to it and make them realize what they are doing to you is wrong. You can never be conquered, and/or dominated only if you yourself let them. About your response to the second video you state that this is "cruel" and "brutal". I ask you what is the difference ? I do not see any difference just sad conflicted people who put fear into their children. They both use pain and fear to gain their obedience. being subjected to the one or other is exactly the same. and the age has noting to do with it except make it more heart wrenching to witness. To conclude my reaction let me tell you. A child mind and morale is a reflection on your teachings as a parent and the society they live in. so if a a sixteen year old does not know the difference between right and wrong entirely. Look towards yourself first, because you most likely have a hand in it. I hope this will make you see that this is horrible parenting and it damages the child irreparably and same goes for your relation with him/her. | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
On November 03 2011 05:17 Mafs wrote: Its good for complete idiots who don't understand words and sympathy from good parents. Otherwise it's not necessary to spank them. You can just to be safe. Personally I think almost no one in America has been spanked so they are really sensitive on this issue because they are wimps and can't take a little pain. When people say this is torture I laugh at them. If they think this is torture, I can show and simulate real torture on them, then I'd like to see them say that spanking even hurts. Also the title is EXTREMELY misleading, she was caught pirating music and videos on the internet in the description of the video. As someone who is a judge, would you let your daughter get away with copyright theft? If you would, you are a horrible judge who doesn't even understand how laws work.If not then you have to make the decision to discipline her yourself, or send her to prison for the crime. Admitted he did take it too far, and should have stopped earlier, but her mother did the right thing. the father could have simply denied computer access like any level headed parent would, and removed some privilege for a while - even though that kind of punishment hasn't actually proven to be effective either. "Beating her into submission" like he wanted to do, obviously hadn't corrected her behavior before (it is safe to assume she had been beaten before, since she set up a camera to catch her father in the act) What do you think he actually accomplished by beating her again - except causing more fear and resentment in his child? edit: sometimes I wish TL enforced a strict policy of displaying the age and level of education of the posters. There are some extremely immature posts in this thread, and it just occurred to me that it might be because they're written by 12 year olds. I'll go first, maybe it'll catch on: 31, MFA | ||
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