EPTThe weird part to me is that there's only one single time where people accept that a stronger person inflicts pain on a weaker one and that's when it's between parents and kids. A grown man using his belt like this on his wife would be considered assault, but as it's his kid it's just seen as a "straightening out" and a lesson. It just feels very inconsistent and off to me. It's the old "It's what we've always done" mentality.
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
The weird part to me is that there's only one single time where people accept that a stronger person inflicts pain on a weaker one and that's when it's between parents and kids. A grown man using his belt like this on his wife would be considered assault, but as it's his kid it's just seen as a "straightening out" and a lesson. It just feels very inconsistent and off to me. It's the old "It's what we've always done" mentality. | ||
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Omegon
Sweden54 Posts
In this scenario it seems easy enough, she uses a computer for illegal downloading and her father didn't want to have a computer in the house in the first place (unless I heard him wrong?) but apparently allowed it and now (when that happened) he is pissed because it kinda came up and bit him in the arse. Okay, valid for him to be livid as a Judge perhaps? Doesn't matter, cause he is of course entitled to that opinion. Is it okay for him to use violence in this scenario? I just don't see it, there are litterly hundred other just as effective ways to deal with such a situation that doesn't include him beating her. Beating, to me, seems like a very impatient method of raising a child, and if he can't handle the responsibility without violence, why get the child in the first place? Now I'm not an expert in rhetoric, so it might sound crude, but I hope it's clear enough that I in short don't think this is a reasonable chain of thought, it's quite stupid and while it's true that if beaten early enough, they'll most likely grow scared of their parents (which of course will result in them avoiding to cross their parents.) it doesn't help the raising of the child (No, the child could grow up just as good, if not better.) People tend to think that's it's quite naive and childish to argue that violence is no way to solve problems, but really, why is it? Why must we think that reverting back to barbarism is a good thing just to not be deemed stupid? I mean yes I know it's on the brink of fantasy to think that we ever will live without the thought that we must hurt other people. But that doesn't make it wrong or naive to think that it's how it "should be". (Then again, that is usually what people tend to argue, that it's just an fantasy utopia, that we have to be realistic. But if the realistic choice is to beat your own child, well somewhere we have to draw a line.) I think I got a little off topic, so sorry for that. | ||
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iLikeRain
Denmark504 Posts
A grown man hitting his young daughter an his wife assisting him? It doesn't matter whether or not she is mentally disturbed (the wife). I sincerely hope they will receive their punishment. It's a very clear act of violence and abuse. If the American court system does not punish such behaviour I really don't know what to say O.O | ||
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Gondlem
Australia642 Posts
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Frostmister
Sweden77 Posts
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
And now, I wonder how many people will read this far into my post... I'm not saying that I didn't want to walk into that house and bust that guy in the face along with everyone else, but I think we could benefit from backing off a moment and checking ourselves. It's always easier to mob up while the fingers aren't pointed in your direction. | ||
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shifty
United States280 Posts
On November 02 2011 23:28 Frostmister wrote: I am truly glad I live in Sweden. You guys and saying Sweden is the best country to live in. Come check out the states, and there's things you love and hate about both. Sources: Personal Experience. Now All of America is not like this, The Deep South is completely different from the other states and people have to realize this. It's something the world can't understand without coming here and seeing it themselves. | ||
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GigaFlop
United States1146 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
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Blurio
Germany288 Posts
On November 02 2011 23:33 danl9rm wrote: I find it interesting how many people are so quick to "judge" this guy. How many of us would like it if our lives were video-taped and the worst 5 mins of it was let loose on the net? There's a difference between beating your daughter into submission and throwing over a mobile toilet or something. If your worst 5 minutes in your life are serious child abuse, then yes, you should be judged SOLELY by that. This is not acceptable in any way. | ||
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tjosan
Sweden120 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On November 02 2011 23:33 shifty wrote: You guys and saying Sweden is the best country to live in. Come check out the states, and there's things you love and hate about both. Sources: Personal Experience. Now All of America is not like this, The Deep South is completely different from the other states and people have to realize this. It's something the world can't understand without coming here and seeing it themselves. I too dislike country bias, it's just that we have laws against all forms of violence towards children. So does alot of other european countries. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On November 02 2011 22:44 dakalro wrote: She pirated, got caught and punished. Boohoo if it looks violent, nothing actually bad happens. Kids nowadays, so coddled and many actually deserve a good spanking like that. On the other hand I would never have the heart to hit my children but I don't exactly see the capital punishment worthy crime here. A belt won't leave injuries and psychologically it's not worse than an argument/lecture. It's probably no worse than verbal abuse that some people might confuse with an argument or lecture. I.e he could have told her that she was a worthless piece of shit and a criminal who'll end up spending her life in jail. But that wouldn't be good parenting either, would it? Justifying one kind of abuse by saying that it's no worse than a different kind of abuse is kinda strange. | ||
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:37 Kimaker wrote: While I don't agree with the reason, I see nothing wrong there with the immediate punishment. Yes (having now read the full context of her condition) that was too much. But corporal punishment overall isn't bad. For me it was the continuation of the conversation that got me riled up. Corporal punishment is fine, I myself was raised with corporal punishment as a possibility, but the fact that he didn't let it go was a bit much for me. Honestly, everyone's going to freak out and say she should be removed from the house, but I think that's ridiculous. She got belted. Woo hoo. Getting belted hurts like a son of a bitch, but it's nothing seriously harmful. And please don't pull the "mentally scarring" card out. It's not. I promise you. Just because you didn't get mentally scarred doesn't mean other people can't (stress-vurnerability hypothesis), and that's why this type of punishment should be illegal everywhere. Maybe you grew up with it, and thus belive it is 'normal', but parents should never hurt their kids, it sends them mixed messages and leads to a kind of stress that can cause mental problems in some. | ||
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epicopter
Canada177 Posts
On November 02 2011 23:38 Blurio wrote: There's a difference between beating your daughter into submission and throwing over a mobile toilet or something. If your worst 5 minutes in your life are serious child abuse, then yes, you should be judged SOLELY by that. This is not acceptable in any way. I kicked a hole in a wall when I got really angry, that was my worst, I didn't beat my fucking daughter who I'm supposed to love and protect from things like this... My question to you danl9rm is what have you done when you were at your worst to think that this is ok? | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
On November 02 2011 21:06 vetinari wrote: /sigh. Look, people are animals of above average intelligence. We do those activities that give us pleasure, and avoid those that bring us immediate pain. This is why no one knowingly sticks their hand into a fire but lots of people smoke. The whole point of punishment and corporal punishment in particular, is to condition people into not performing actions that are harmful (to the self, to others) but give immediate pleasure. The role of a parent isn't to prevent pain. Its to turn your child into a productive, law abiding, moral citizen, with the ability to cope with pain, suffering and setbacks. If you think that that can be done by coddling your children, and sheltering them from any and all hardship, I hope you never have to raise children. This is idiotic. A parent can teach a child without coddling them or resorting to abusive violence (two extremes, really). It's the parent's duty to prepare the child in facing suffering and setbacks, but that's not an excuse to artificially create unnecessary suffering. There are more productive ways of challenging your children than by creating a hostile home environment. | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On November 02 2011 23:33 danl9rm wrote: I find it interesting how many people are so quick to "judge" this guy. How many of us would like it if our lives were video-taped and the worst 5 mins of it was let loose on the net? And now, I wonder how many people will read this far into my post... I'm not saying that I didn't want to walk into that house and bust that guy in the face along with everyone else, but I think we could benefit from backing off a moment and checking ourselves. It's always easier to mob up while the fingers aren't pointed in your direction. Except even at the worst point of my life (and most peoples lives i assume) we arent beating a child, so... yea. It's inexcusable what he's doing right there, i dont really care what made him do it. Where i come from hitting a child is very serious, i honestly dont see how anyone can defend it. Hitting a random child = violence. Hitting your own child = discipline. Makes no sense. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On November 02 2011 23:44 epicopter wrote: My question to you danl9rm is what have you done when you were at your worst to think that this is ok? Thats a truely good question. I know ive done some pretty bad shit in my life but i would never condone this crap. | ||
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