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karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
November 02 2011 14:21 GMT
#841
I guess it's cultural differences and how people grew up. My parents never hit me and it's considered a big deal if someone spanks or belts their kids in Sweden.

The weird part to me is that there's only one single time where people accept that a stronger person inflicts pain on a weaker one and that's when it's between parents and kids. A grown man using his belt like this on his wife would be considered assault, but as it's his kid it's just seen as a "straightening out" and a lesson. It just feels very inconsistent and off to me. It's the old "It's what we've always done" mentality.
Omegon
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden54 Posts
November 02 2011 14:22 GMT
#842
Now I don't see why some people think it's valdig to use violence as a punishment when raising your kids.

In this scenario it seems easy enough, she uses a computer for illegal downloading and her father didn't want to have a computer in the house in the first place (unless I heard him wrong?) but apparently allowed it and now (when that happened) he is pissed because it kinda came up and bit him in the arse. Okay, valid for him to be livid as a Judge perhaps? Doesn't matter, cause he is of course entitled to that opinion. Is it okay for him to use violence in this scenario? I just don't see it, there are litterly hundred other just as effective ways to deal with such a situation that doesn't include him beating her.
Beating, to me, seems like a very impatient method of raising a child, and if he can't handle the responsibility without violence, why get the child in the first place?

Now I'm not an expert in rhetoric, so it might sound crude, but I hope it's clear enough that I in short don't think this is a reasonable chain of thought, it's quite stupid and while it's true that if beaten early enough, they'll most likely grow scared of their parents (which of course will result in them avoiding to cross their parents.) it doesn't help the raising of the child (No, the child could grow up just as good, if not better.)
People tend to think that's it's quite naive and childish to argue that violence is no way to solve problems, but really, why is it? Why must we think that reverting back to barbarism is a good thing just to not be deemed stupid? I mean yes I know it's on the brink of fantasy to think that we ever will live without the thought that we must hurt other people. But that doesn't make it wrong or naive to think that it's how it "should be".
(Then again, that is usually what people tend to argue, that it's just an fantasy utopia, that we have to be realistic. But if the realistic choice is to beat your own child, well somewhere we have to draw a line.)
I think I got a little off topic, so sorry for that.
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iLikeRain
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark504 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 14:26:07
November 02 2011 14:25 GMT
#843
This is sickening.

A grown man hitting his young daughter an his wife assisting him? It doesn't matter whether or not she is mentally disturbed (the wife). I sincerely hope they will receive their punishment. It's a very clear act of violence and abuse.

If the American court system does not punish such behaviour I really don't know what to say O.O
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Gondlem
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia642 Posts
November 02 2011 14:26 GMT
#844
The idea that anyone could listen to that girl screaming while her father hit her with a belt and think that it's okay is just... astonishing. Seriously.
Frostmister
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden77 Posts
November 02 2011 14:28 GMT
#845
I am truly glad I live in Sweden.
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danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
November 02 2011 14:33 GMT
#846
I find it interesting how many people are so quick to "judge" this guy. How many of us would like it if our lives were video-taped and the worst 5 mins of it was let loose on the net?

And now, I wonder how many people will read this far into my post... I'm not saying that I didn't want to walk into that house and bust that guy in the face along with everyone else, but I think we could benefit from backing off a moment and checking ourselves. It's always easier to mob up while the fingers aren't pointed in your direction.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
shifty
Profile Joined July 2010
United States280 Posts
November 02 2011 14:33 GMT
#847
On November 02 2011 23:28 Frostmister wrote:
I am truly glad I live in Sweden.


You guys and saying Sweden is the best country to live in. Come check out the states, and there's things you love and hate about both.
Sources: Personal Experience.

Now All of America is not like this, The Deep South is completely different from the other states and people have to realize this. It's something the world can't understand without coming here and seeing it themselves.


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GigaFlop
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1146 Posts
November 02 2011 14:36 GMT
#848
This sounded like rape or something. 'Bend over', 'get on your knees', 'take it like a woman'? I'm more than disgusted. All of this for using a fileshare program in 2004? I'd say that a big part of the people on the internet used some p2p program back then for their music and game downloads.
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
November 02 2011 14:37 GMT
#849
Someone already posted a video of Louis CK and his views on this, but not the particular point I thought was the most poignant: if you hit a dog, you're an animal abuser and you go to jail whereas if you hit a tiny little child, powerless and innocent who trusts you implicitly, it's perfectly legal.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
November 02 2011 14:38 GMT
#850
It's like time travelling back to the fucking middle-ages.
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Blurio
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany288 Posts
November 02 2011 14:38 GMT
#851
On November 02 2011 23:33 danl9rm wrote:
I find it interesting how many people are so quick to "judge" this guy. How many of us would like it if our lives were video-taped and the worst 5 mins of it was let loose on the net?


There's a difference between beating your daughter into submission and throwing over a mobile toilet or something. If your worst 5 minutes in your life are serious child abuse, then yes, you should be judged SOLELY by that. This is not acceptable in any way.
tjosan
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden120 Posts
November 02 2011 14:39 GMT
#852
There was recently an Italian man who used corporal punishment on his son while on vacation in Sweden. He got arrested and charged with battery.
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
November 02 2011 14:39 GMT
#853
On November 02 2011 23:33 shifty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 23:28 Frostmister wrote:
I am truly glad I live in Sweden.


You guys and saying Sweden is the best country to live in. Come check out the states, and there's things you love and hate about both.
Sources: Personal Experience.

Now All of America is not like this, The Deep South is completely different from the other states and people have to realize this. It's something the world can't understand without coming here and seeing it themselves.




I too dislike country bias, it's just that we have laws against all forms of violence towards children. So does alot of other european countries.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
November 02 2011 14:42 GMT
#854
On November 02 2011 22:44 dakalro wrote:
She pirated, got caught and punished. Boohoo if it looks violent, nothing actually bad happens. Kids nowadays, so coddled and many actually deserve a good spanking like that.

On the other hand I would never have the heart to hit my children but I don't exactly see the capital punishment worthy crime here. A belt won't leave injuries and psychologically it's not worse than an argument/lecture.


It's probably no worse than verbal abuse that some people might confuse with an argument or lecture. I.e he could have told her that she was a worthless piece of shit and a criminal who'll end up spending her life in jail. But that wouldn't be good parenting either, would it?
Justifying one kind of abuse by saying that it's no worse than a different kind of abuse is kinda strange.
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KungKras
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden484 Posts
November 02 2011 14:44 GMT
#855
On November 02 2011 10:37 Kimaker wrote:
While I don't agree with the reason, I see nothing wrong there with the immediate punishment. Yes (having now read the full context of her condition) that was too much. But corporal punishment overall isn't bad.

For me it was the continuation of the conversation that got me riled up. Corporal punishment is fine, I myself was raised with corporal punishment as a possibility, but the fact that he didn't let it go was a bit much for me. Honestly, everyone's going to freak out and say she should be removed from the house, but I think that's ridiculous. She got belted. Woo hoo. Getting belted hurts like a son of a bitch, but it's nothing seriously harmful.

And please don't pull the "mentally scarring" card out. It's not. I promise you.



Just because you didn't get mentally scarred doesn't mean other people can't (stress-vurnerability hypothesis), and that's why this type of punishment should be illegal everywhere. Maybe you grew up with it, and thus belive it is 'normal', but parents should never hurt their kids, it sends them mixed messages and leads to a kind of stress that can cause mental problems in some.
"When life gives me lemons, I go look for oranges"
epicopter
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 14:45:42
November 02 2011 14:44 GMT
#856
On November 02 2011 23:38 Blurio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 23:33 danl9rm wrote:
I find it interesting how many people are so quick to "judge" this guy. How many of us would like it if our lives were video-taped and the worst 5 mins of it was let loose on the net?


There's a difference between beating your daughter into submission and throwing over a mobile toilet or something. If your worst 5 minutes in your life are serious child abuse, then yes, you should be judged SOLELY by that. This is not acceptable in any way.


I kicked a hole in a wall when I got really angry, that was my worst, I didn't beat my fucking daughter who I'm supposed to love and protect from things like this...

My question to you danl9rm is what have you done when you were at your worst to think that this is ok?
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
November 02 2011 14:47 GMT
#857
What a fucked up world, psycho parents...
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Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
November 02 2011 14:49 GMT
#858
On November 02 2011 21:06 vetinari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 20:45 PolSC2 wrote:
On November 02 2011 20:32 gameguard wrote:
first of all you dont fucking hit a daughter no matter what... nothing can justify it.

For sons, it could be acceptable as long as its within limits. I mean you shouldnt go buck wild on an 8 year old because he stole a dollar from your wallet to go play at the arcade or something. But the most important thing is to make sure they UNDERSTAND why and that you love them. Dont leave them with a fucking grudge or something.

Personally, the few times i got my ass beat as a kid, my dad felt so bad that right afterwards he came with neosporin or something and talked to me about it. I could see that it hurt him more than me. Well.. since i was a immature kid, i would be thinking all sorts of evil shit, but after calming down a bit I could see that it was my fault.

But even for us asians, it will probably stop with our generation. Times are changing and you dont really need to resort to physical punishment to get your point across.


Resorting to causing PAIN to your child is a sign of a weak parent who doesn't know how to teach a child.

There are plenty of other ways to teach your child. As a PARENT, you should be trying to PREVENT any pain to your child. It's only natural.

EDIT: I missed your last sentance. I apologize.


/sigh.

Look, people are animals of above average intelligence. We do those activities that give us pleasure, and avoid those that bring us immediate pain. This is why no one knowingly sticks their hand into a fire but lots of people smoke. The whole point of punishment and corporal punishment in particular, is to condition people into not performing actions that are harmful (to the self, to others) but give immediate pleasure.

The role of a parent isn't to prevent pain. Its to turn your child into a productive, law abiding, moral citizen, with the ability to cope with pain, suffering and setbacks. If you think that that can be done by coddling your children, and sheltering them from any and all hardship, I hope you never have to raise children.


This is idiotic. A parent can teach a child without coddling them or resorting to abusive violence (two extremes, really). It's the parent's duty to prepare the child in facing suffering and setbacks, but that's not an excuse to artificially create unnecessary suffering. There are more productive ways of challenging your children than by creating a hostile home environment.
Logic is Overrated
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
November 02 2011 14:49 GMT
#859
On November 02 2011 23:33 danl9rm wrote:
I find it interesting how many people are so quick to "judge" this guy. How many of us would like it if our lives were video-taped and the worst 5 mins of it was let loose on the net?

And now, I wonder how many people will read this far into my post... I'm not saying that I didn't want to walk into that house and bust that guy in the face along with everyone else, but I think we could benefit from backing off a moment and checking ourselves. It's always easier to mob up while the fingers aren't pointed in your direction.


Except even at the worst point of my life (and most peoples lives i assume) we arent beating a child, so... yea. It's inexcusable what he's doing right there, i dont really care what made him do it.

Where i come from hitting a child is very serious, i honestly dont see how anyone can defend it.

Hitting a random child = violence. Hitting your own child = discipline. Makes no sense.
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
November 02 2011 14:52 GMT
#860
On November 02 2011 23:44 epicopter wrote:
My question to you danl9rm is what have you done when you were at your worst to think that this is ok?


Thats a truely good question. I know ive done some pretty bad shit in my life but i would never condone this crap.
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