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On November 02 2011 23:44 epicopter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 23:38 Blurio wrote:On November 02 2011 23:33 danl9rm wrote:
I find it interesting how many people are so quick to "judge" this guy. How many of us would like it if our lives were video-taped and the worst 5 mins of it was let loose on the net?
There's a difference between beating your daughter into submission and throwing over a mobile toilet or something. If your worst 5 minutes in your life are serious child abuse, then yes, you should be judged SOLELY by that. This is not acceptable in any way. I kicked a hole in a wall when I got really angry, that was my worst, I didn't beat my fucking daughter who I'm supposed to love and protect from things like this... My question to you danl9rm is what have you done when you were at your worst to think that this is ok?
I would like to answer your question, but I did not grant you the permission to interpret my post any way you'd like and then respond to your crazy interpretation.
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Completely unacceptable parenting. Most people would not hit a pet with a belt but it seems to be an acceptable method of disciplining children to some. This is obviously more about the parents finding an outlet for their anger than about the discipline of the child. Physical abuse does not even address the problem in the first place. The parents could have gotten the same response from their child by grounding her for 2 weeks. The mother obviously has mental problems if she thinks that a 16 year old girl (almost a grown woman) should take physical punishment from her father. I would not be surprised to find that the wife is beaten regularly. Unfortunately once physical abuse starts, it does not stop until something extreme happens to the victim or the abuser. The victim never forgets, and this incident will be with her the rest of her life. I feel sorry for her and wish her the best.
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I feel for this girl, I know her pain, this brings back memories from my childhood, so wrong, SO WRONG.
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The fact she has the camera setup to videotape it tells me that this isn't the first time it happened.
Look at all the facts presented. The man in question believes in this method.
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I wish I could be hopeful that justice would come, but this is texas, and considering that actions still have yet to be taken, ...
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On November 02 2011 23:58 StarStruck wrote:
The fact she has the camera setup to videotape it tells me that this isn't the first time it happened.
Look at all the facts presented. The man in question believes in this method.
There's no doubt this has happened before, in families like this, it happens all the time, my 5 other siblings were raised like this.
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This is absolutely pathetic. If the only way you can discipline your children is with physical force you dont deserve to be a parent. This isn't punishment, its abuse.
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I don't understand how people are trying to defend this video.I used to be a really hyper kid,I would scream for an hour sometimes, or run around with shopping carts in stores,steal from them and stores ect.My parents never hit me they talked to me about my behavior,told me why it was wrong they might take away my privileges or give me chores ect.By the time I was 11 I never got into fights,yelled at them or broke the law or any other stupid things we do that age.I don't understand any possible reason why parents ever need to resort to violence.
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I can't wait for this guy to see the side of the law that he deserves to be on.
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On November 03 2011 00:09 OneOddOrange wrote:
I don't understand how people are trying to defend this video.I used to be a really hyper kid,I would scream for an hour sometimes, or run around with shopping carts in stores,steal from them and stores ect.My parents never hit me they talked to me about my behavior,told me why it was wrong they might take away my privileges or give me chores ect.By the time I was 11 I never got into fights,yelled at them or broke the law or any other stupid things we do that age.I don't understand any possible reason why parents ever need to resort to violence.
Their reasoning is, if they can make the child afraid to do something "bad" than they won't do it. Which yields true, but only when the parents are around, if they parents aren't around, the child won't care, whatsoever, they'll just go out, and be like "wow mom and dad aren't here to beat my ass when I do X or Y, sweet" and they'll do it anyway. They only not did it because they were afraid before, its tyrannical at best. This kind of raising is SO prevalent when the parents were raised the same way, it tends to just carry on, because thats all they've known. A lot of the time as a result of religion. There is a lot in the Christian Bible about chasteness.
I've seen a lot of christian families who have raise their children like this, and when their children went out into the world, they got into all sorts of stuff because they had no sense of moral because they are, in alot of cases not told why, it was just do X receive manhandling ass-whooping. The only thing that held them back before, is, like i've already said, that fear that ceases to exist once they've left home. Sure you might think they'll have a sense of moral because of their religion, but there are cases, like me for example, where the religion is forced on you, when things are forced on you, its kind of unlikely that you'll actual accept it.
In my opinion this shows a sense of irresponsible parenting, they get them to not do stuff, when they are around, using fear, so that they behave while they are at home, so mommy and daddy don't have to DEAL with any problems.
Just my 2 cents
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Hello.
This thread and it's contributors scared the hell out of me.
I was about to compile a list of shame (and get banned). Of users, quoting them, with their irritating, horrifying, moronic or barbaric stances and views on this matter. I realize that I would indirectly hurt children with this, so I will try to do the opposite and try to help them:
To everyone in this thread who stated that you were being beaten as a child and think it was ok, and that it hurt your parents more than yourself, and/or that it was all for the betterment of yourself or your siblings, and/or it wasn't all too bad, and/or that you think beatings are fine and ok, and/or you are actually beating your children: Please go see a psychiatrist. You can be a better person, you do not have to hit anyone. Grab the phone and make an appointment. Please. Now. For the sake of your own children and future children.
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On November 02 2011 23:59 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I wish I could be hopeful that justice would come, but this is texas, and considering that actions still have yet to be taken, ...
Don't appreciate the implication that justice is hard to come by in Texas or that Texas protects/accepts child abusers. If the girl wants to press charges and if the statute of limitations hasn't run then she will be able to.
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On November 03 2011 00:21 eXePensai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:09 OneOddOrange wrote:
I don't understand how people are trying to defend this video.I used to be a really hyper kid,I would scream for an hour sometimes, or run around with shopping carts in stores,steal from them and stores ect.My parents never hit me they talked to me about my behavior,told me why it was wrong they might take away my privileges or give me chores ect.By the time I was 11 I never got into fights,yelled at them or broke the law or any other stupid things we do that age.I don't understand any possible reason why parents ever need to resort to violence. Their reasoning is, if they can make the child afraid to do something "bad" than they won't do it. Which yields true, but only when the parents are around, if they parents aren't around, the child won't care, whatsoever, they'll just go out, and be like "wow mom and dad aren't here to beat my ass when I do X or Y, sweet" and they'll do it anyway. They only not did it because they were afraid before, its tyrannical at best. This kind of raising is SO prevalent when the parents were raised the same way, it tends to just carry on, because thats all they've known. A lot of the time as a result of religion. There is a lot in the Christian Bible about chasteness. I've seen a lot of christian families who have raise their children like this, and when their children went out into the world, they got into all sorts of stuff because they had no sense of moral, just that fear, that no longer exists. Just my 2 cents
Yeah I feel like if you teach them right and wrong, and help the child understand why it is wrong without hitting them. They will end up not doing it at all not just when they're parents aren't around.
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On November 03 2011 00:26 zere wrote:
Hello.
This thread and it's contributors scared the hell out of me.
I was about to compile a list of shame (and get banned). Of users, quoting them, with their irritating, horrifying, moronic or barbaric stances and views on this matter. I realize that I would indirectly hurt children with this, so I will try to do the opposite and try to help them:
To everyone in this thread who stated that you were being beaten as a child and think it was ok, and that it hurt your parents more than yourself, and/or that it was all for the betterment of yourself or your siblings, and/or it wasn't all too bad, and/or that you think beatings are fine and ok, and/or you are actually beating your children: Please go see a psychiatrist. You can be a better person, you do not have to hit anyone. Grab the phone and make an appointment. Please. Now. For the sake of your own children and future children.
god thank you at last
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On November 03 2011 00:09 OneOddOrange wrote:
I don't understand how people are trying to defend this video.I used to be a really hyper kid,I would scream for an hour sometimes, or run around with shopping carts in stores,steal from them and stores ect.My parents never hit me they talked to me about my behavior,told me why it was wrong they might take away my privileges or give me chores ect.By the time I was 11 I never got into fights,yelled at them or broke the law or any other stupid things we do that age.I don't understand any possible reason why parents ever need to resort to violence.
If I may offer a theory that may give an answer, violence could be considered the "easy" way out in terms of dealing with punishment and managing children. What your parents and mine, as well, did requires a significant amount of patience, time and effort.
To be able to talk to a child when they do something wrong, explain in ways they can understand and/or take away things that have great meaning as a punishment results in a much more well-mannered child than one who fears the belt because the child has more opportunities to understand why what they did was wrong rather than focusing on the punishment (and trying to avoid it). There's no reasoning of why there is right and wrong, only thinking about what I do and is there a punishment associated with it.
This takes a lot of time and effort over several years to foster that a lot of people just aren't willing to give, but, in my opinion, gives a much more rewarding way to view things.
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On November 02 2011 10:37 Kimaker wrote:
While I don't agree with the reason, I see nothing wrong there with the immediate punishment. Yes (having now read the full context of her condition) that was too much. But corporal punishment overall isn't bad.
For me it was the continuation of the conversation that got me riled up. Corporal punishment is fine, I myself was raised with corporal punishment as a possibility, but the fact that he didn't let it go was a bit much for me. Honestly, everyone's going to freak out and say she should be removed from the house, but I think that's ridiculous. She got belted. Woo hoo. Getting belted hurts like a son of a bitch, but it's nothing seriously harmful.
And please don't pull the "mentally scarring" card out. It's not. I promise you.
I'm pretty amazed by the reactions to this video, though I guess corporal punishment isn't used as much here. This exact scenario (minus the ranting for a couple minutes) happens ALL the time in non-western households. I personally was brought up with corporal punishment as an option too and this is pretty much how it looked. Just to be clear, i'm not condoning it in any way (I dont even think it works), I just thought more people were aware that this kind of stuff happened. Guess not.
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On November 03 2011 00:26 zere wrote:
Hello.
This thread and it's contributors scared the hell out of me.
I was about to compile a list of shame (and get banned). Of users, quoting them, with their irritating, horrifying, moronic or barbaric stances and views on this matter. I realize that I would indirectly hurt children with this, so I will try to do the opposite and try to help them:
To everyone in this thread who stated that you were being beaten as a child and think it was ok, and that it hurt your parents more than yourself, and/or that it was all for the betterment of yourself or your siblings, and/or it wasn't all too bad, and/or that you think beatings are fine and ok, and/or you are actually beating your children: Please go see a psychiatrist. You can be a better person, you do not have to hit anyone. Grab the phone and make an appointment. Please. Now. For the sake of your own children and future children.
I jumped right into page 44 to see your post and - wow. I can't believe that people actually publicly announced that they see no problem with beating your children. To counter the "I was beaten as a child and see no problem with it" argument - I was beaten as a child and I don't give a shit what's happening with my dad now, if he's alive really. There's two people who would do this - psychos, and people too dumb to feel that they are doing something wrong. The first ones don't deserve to live, the latter don't deserve to have any of their opinions taken seriously, so I don't think that there is anything ban-worthy in making a blacklist. The only reason not to make one imo is that morons don't deserve you wasting time on them.
Now also, I haven't checked the majority of the posts here, but from what I can see, there's mostly shocked netizens or strange people who approve of what they see. So I'd really like to point out that what really moved me was that the daughter herself filmed and uploaded the video. You don't know how much courage it takes ...
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i lasted up to the first hit and no sound on... wow goddamn
that guy needs to be whipped to see how he likes it
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So apparently what the judge did isn't even illegal down where he lives which is BS. If he's not going to jail for this then the only justice left is him getting his face smashed by a leather belt.
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On November 03 2011 00:34 I_am_that_bad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 00:09 OneOddOrange wrote:
I don't understand how people are trying to defend this video.I used to be a really hyper kid,I would scream for an hour sometimes, or run around with shopping carts in stores,steal from them and stores ect.My parents never hit me they talked to me about my behavior,told me why it was wrong they might take away my privileges or give me chores ect.By the time I was 11 I never got into fights,yelled at them or broke the law or any other stupid things we do that age.I don't understand any possible reason why parents ever need to resort to violence. If I may offer a theory that may give an answer, violence could be considered the "easy" way out in terms of dealing with punishment and managing children. What your parents and mine, as well, did requires a significant amount of patience, time and effort. To be able to talk to a child when they do something wrong, explain in ways they can understand and/or take away things that have great meaning as a punishment results in a much more well-mannered child than one who fears the belt because the child has more opportunities to understand why what they did was wrong rather than focusing on the punishment (and trying to avoid it). There's no reasoning of why there is right and wrong, only thinking about what I do and is there a punishment associated with it. This takes a lot of time and effort over several years to foster that a lot of people just aren't willing to give, but, in my opinion, gives a much more rewarding way to view things.
my father used to spank me or hit me sometimes but it was something suddent when he was getting really mad a spank once he figured i threw a punch at my brother for example, never something so cruel and methodical like the violence in the video , that's just an abuse not a way to teach something at all.
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