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On October 28 2011 18:13 benjammin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 17:37 Critter wrote:On October 28 2011 17:13 ZodaSoda wrote:On October 28 2011 17:10 Critter wrote:On October 28 2011 16:45 ZodaSoda wrote:
I feel for the woman who got assaulted. you cant say Blizzards stirring up the Horde players hate of Alliance doesn't insight volatile behavior, and fact is a gathering of Fans for their games shouldn't feel one sided, be it, Horde vs Alliance or Starcraft vs Warcraft, also a video containing such a level of stupidity should not have been shown at an event of that nature at all, even in fun, the contents do not deserve a stage. I can, have, and will say again that those videos didn't stir up any hate. The game is based on a war between the two factions............ a war..... between the two factions. There's competition there, built into the game, between the two factions. Both sides were shouting for their side/against the other side during the opening damn ceremonies. All the act did was stir up the passion for competition and excitement for our factions in the crowd, which personally was awesome to be a part of. Blaming the alleged assault on that video/concert is as dumb as blaming suicides on Marilyn Manson. If a video/concert is going to push you over the edge into doing something stupid then you were only clinging to that edge by a fingernail. People yelled for the Horde, so other people yelled louder for the Alliance and so on. Same thing happened at the RTS stage. "We have any Zerg players out here tonight?" *Cheers* "How about any Protoss players rooting for ____" *attempting louder cheers* It didn't like it divided the crowd, it united us in our passion for the game. Again, this is all coming from an (ex)WoW player who was on the Alliance. The one sided act got my blood pumping more, got me cheering louder for the Alliance (and for the game and Blizzard for creating such a passionate fanbase). If you didn't like the video... ok, that's your opinion. I thought the over the top nature of it was in itself funny. This hardcore, metal dude getting so amped up over a video game was awesome. He called me a cocksucker and said I should die, oh noes! Zero fucks given, I've shouted the same stuff at sporting events, had it shouted at me, and at the end of the game I've shaken hands with people who like a different team. It's part of the intensity of live events. In my experience very, very few people actually dislike others just because they have a different sporting affiliation, play a different race, are on the other faction, etc. There's competition there but after the game is over you're just two people who love the sport/game/etc. Oh don't worry, I agree with you for the most part, but saying Blizzards actions has "NO" effect, is just bullshit, we all know how easily people can get riled up. Then it would appear that our disagreement is about the level of effect. I think what they did was fine. At Blizzcon itself, everyone around me, Horde, Alliance, Zerg, Terran, Toss, Diabloers, etc seemed to agree, drinking up the hype with a garden hose and getting pumped for the songs and the following act (Foo Fighters were awesome, btw =D ). So it appears to me that there's a vocal minority that disapprove... many of which weren't even there and are simply speculating on what the attitude in the room was. On October 28 2011 17:24 Ecology wrote:
Words have meaning, and it may not be what you intended, but tough crap. The fault is on you if you're unaware of the arguments for why you do or do not perform certain actions, like perpetuating hate speech.
faggot1 esp US, fagot [ˈfægət] n 1. a bundle of sticks or twigs, esp when bound together and used as fuel 2. (Engineering / Metallurgy) a bundle of iron bars, esp a box formed by four pieces of wrought iron and filled with scrap to be forged into wrought iron 3. (Cookery) a ball of chopped meat, usually pork liver, bound with herbs and bread and eaten fried 4. a bundle of anything Words have meaning, but as evidenced above, that meaning evolves over time. Happens for all sorts of words. Calling something 'gay' in today's society often does not mean you're calling it homosexual, degrading homosexuals, or referencing homosexuals in any way. Language is fluid, new words and meanings pop up all the damn time. do you actually believe the things you just wrote or are you trying to undermine a point with a red herring
In what way am I driving the conversation away from OP? The part where I'm explaining the crowds reaction from where I was, or the part where I point out that language evolves? I've been going point/counterpoint with people, not questioning their motives or intentions.
On October 28 2011 18:12 tso wrote:
hey my nigger, you got it!
..wait.. that doesn't work now does it
Not nearly as accepted as the words in questions. Gamers are a generally liberal community that use/are exposed to this type of language a lot. For the vast majority of us, in the context of the video especially, the usage has changed.
Alright folks, works over and I'm heading home and to bed. Have fun debating!
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I think it's pretty funny how over the top he gets. Honestly, I expected it would be worse.
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I agree with him. Fuck Alliance. For the Horde, etc.
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It's hammer smash face, not hammer smash feelings.
I won't be buying my children anymore Cannibal Corpse CD's, I can tell you that much.
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Just realise its a joke and move on, although i do see how some can take offense to it....
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This type of material is only an issue when it is promoted by big companies (especially those who cater to children like Blizzard). Think back to the //Jailbait reddit, everybody knew it wasnt illegal but for one reason or another we like to make life easier on children and parents by keeping this kind of content separate for 'My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic' (or WoW in this case).
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To me it's kindda simple... This is in no way a rant on homosexuals. So I'd take no offense at all. A poor choise of words - that's all... Should Blizzard play this? Probably not, but you know what they say about hindsight?
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Pff people can overreact about anything these days.
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On October 28 2011 18:23. Critter wrote:
If I thought that was the case, sure. I was there, however, and didn't see or hear about anybody being offended until tonight (I'm basing everything off of my firsthand observations, not claiming them as infallible facts, just for the record). The general reaction from the crowd was laughter. We were all high on the rush of the event, and here comes this hardcore metal dude spouting all this over the top stuff about a faction in a video game. Seeing such a hardass get all geeked up over a video game was hilarious, it'd be like Brock Lesner going wild over My Little Pony... it's unexpected, it's out of the norm.
If 13,000 people were offended, yeah, probably a bad move. If 130 people out 26,000 (possible hyperbole, but I'd bet money it was closer to .5% than 50%) were offended... oh well. You can't make everyone happy. As for the apology, Blizzard has to do damage control, it was expected from both sides of the discussion.
Barring standing next to them. How are you going to know if someone took offense unless they have a mic and can stop the event?
*vinyl screech* "whoaaa now, stop everything..."
You will only hear about it later, due to the nature of the thing.
And if you think Morhaime was merely placating people then congrats you're more cynical than I am. Why would he take the time to write that if he thought it was only 0.5%?
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"Homo," "queer," and "faggot" were the explicit slurs referring to male homosexuality in a negative and derogatory manner.
That being said, he didn't seem to intend it to be anti-gay. He pretty much was just hating on the alliance and didn't have the vocabulary to do it in a tasteful fashion. He's raging. People say stupid shit when they're mad, big deal.
I am not condoning homophobic behavior or even expressing any myself, but this is just under the border of me giving a genuine fuck. If he had said something along the lines of "the alliance is gay and that's why they suck" then I would have a different opinion.
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On October 28 2011 18:46 Logros wrote:
Pff people can overreact about anything these days.
My thoughts exactly. Over the top sensationalism is one of my biggest pet peeves. It just makes people look stupid.
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Russian Federation60 Posts
First world problems, the thread.
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On October 28 2011 19:10 E_minus wrote:
First world problems, the thread.
Actually civil rights is one of the few non-first world problems that most first world countries struggle with lol.
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People are fucked up, he's not being anti-gay, he's being anti alliance.
The language is foul, so they filtered it out. Should be alright...
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Rofl people actually care about this
hilarious
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On October 28 2011 18:43 Mentalizor wrote:
To me it's kindda simple... This is in no way a rant on homosexuals. So I'd take no offense at all. A poor choise of words - that's all... Should Blizzard play this? Probably not, but you know what they say about hindsight?
That's like if I said, "well he called them all a bunch of dirty niggers; it was in no way a rant on black people, just referring to a common stereotype we all understand."
The fact that that word continues to remain present in any community makes me sad, even if it is just a word. And it's not even because of it in itself. It's because the community as a generalization sees no problem with it. There's debate over the word nigger now because time has passed and we recognize it for what it was at the time and that it's really non-funtional anymore and shouldn't be offensive because it's not used as such but people shouldn't be afraid of it.
Faggot, and calling someone or referring to anything in that sort of sense..."o well it's just a word". no, it's really not. and what you're doing isn't remotely acceptable. the fact that you (not YOU the person I'm responding to, but the generalized community) don't remotely see that or even attempt to just disappoints me, and is another thing I really don't like about the gaming community.
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People need to stop taking everything seriously. Corpsegrinder is an awesome dude and is just having some fun. Easy guys.
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Doesn't Mike play in that band? He's the CEO isn't he?
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Your reading to much into it.
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What a lame thread. Corpsegrinder was merely taking the piss! How can you not see that? He was probably a little drunk at the time, he fucking loves WoW with a passion and happens to be a death metal singer, what did you think he'd say?
The people who find an issue when there isn't one are the problem, you're making shit out of nothing. Anyway, Corpsegrinder <3
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