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On October 19 2011 06:33 Dranak wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 04:54 Dbla08 wrote:
all the people that click "No" are closed minded bigots. stereotypes always have true examples but that doesn't mean that the stereotypes are true for the entire demographics its being directed towards. so on this particular one, you're going to say "its okay for me to be prejudice against these people, just no one else." the fact is that people are selfish, people assume anything they'd like, and most people believe whatever they're told, until one or all of these things change for the people who choose to be bigots, i offer them no respect, and even less recognition than i'd give a heroine addict on the streets. whether its casual pot smokers or straight up junkies, they're people too. prejudicing them is just as wrong as saying all black people are niggers or all gay people should die.
There's a large difference between drawing an opinion on someone based on a choice they make (drug use) and something they can't control (race).
Not really. The fact that someone likes to smoke a little on a friday night while watching a movie means nothing for your relationship with him/her, until you get to a very intimate point. Half the world is running around on anti-depressants, another part is just plain unhappy, more drink, others turn to a strong believe in a god. What matters is the way they behave towards you, nothing else really.
Unless you're at a point in a relationship where you need to be relied upon during certain hours (professional, personal, whatever) you don't get to make that judgement upfront.
On October 19 2011 06:45 jimbob615 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 06:22 AudionovA wrote:I find it very interesting, i would like to see if this same prejudice applies to other mental and physiognomical substances namely alcohol Poll: When an acquaintance tells you that he/ she drinks you?Does not affect you opinion. (4) 67% Proves inimical to your opinion on him/her (1) 17% Ameliorates your opinion of him/her? (1) 17% 6 total votes Your vote: When an acquaintance tells you that he/ she drinks you? (Vote): Proves inimical to your opinion on him/her
(Vote): Ameliorates your opinion of him/her?
(Vote): Does not affect you opinion.
depends on the severity. there's a huge gap between someone who only drinks at parties compared to someone who drinks a carton every few days.
And the same can't be said about drugs?
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On October 19 2011 05:28 Luepert wrote:
Well technically its the law, if your willing to go against the laws set by the country that uses its power to protect your rights, there's something a little out of line even in that regard.
You really think the US government gives a shit about protecting you?
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On October 19 2011 06:59 Derez wrote:
Not really. The fact that someone likes to smoke a little on a friday night while watching a movie means nothing for your relationship with him/her, until you get to a very intimate point. Half the world is running around on anti-depressants, another part is just plain unhappy, more drink, others turn to a strong believe in a god. What matters is the way they behave towards you, nothing else really.
Not really. I view anyone who relies on self-medication to 'get him through a rough patch' the exact same. Also, I could care less about someone who does something in moderation from time to time. Furthermore, I will view any addict, any alcoholic, any persistent, consistent user the same regardless of what drug they use. That includes caffeine: a weak-willed and willing slave.
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On October 19 2011 07:04 MozzarellaL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 06:59 Derez wrote:
Not really. The fact that someone likes to smoke a little on a friday night while watching a movie means nothing for your relationship with him/her, until you get to a very intimate point. Half the world is running around on anti-depressants, another part is just plain unhappy, more drink, others turn to a strong believe in a god. What matters is the way they behave towards you, nothing else really.
Not really. I view anyone who relies on self-medication to 'get him through a rough patch' the exact same. Also, I could care less about someone who does something in moderation from time to time. Furthermore, I will view any addict, any alcoholic, any persistent, consistent user the same regardless of what drug they use. That includes caffeine: a weak-willed and willing slave.
That Steve Jobs guy sure was weak-willed and a willing slave, eh?
Not to mention the dozens of other successful people who had positive experiences with psychedelics, and a plethora of people who used amphetamines to be more productive, for example Paul Erdos and The Beatles.
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On October 19 2011 06:59 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 06:33 Dranak wrote:On October 19 2011 04:54 Dbla08 wrote:
all the people that click "No" are closed minded bigots. stereotypes always have true examples but that doesn't mean that the stereotypes are true for the entire demographics its being directed towards. so on this particular one, you're going to say "its okay for me to be prejudice against these people, just no one else." the fact is that people are selfish, people assume anything they'd like, and most people believe whatever they're told, until one or all of these things change for the people who choose to be bigots, i offer them no respect, and even less recognition than i'd give a heroine addict on the streets. whether its casual pot smokers or straight up junkies, they're people too. prejudicing them is just as wrong as saying all black people are niggers or all gay people should die.
There's a large difference between drawing an opinion on someone based on a choice they make (drug use) and something they can't control (race). Not really. The fact that someone likes to smoke a little on a friday night while watching a movie means nothing for your relationship with him/her, until you get to a very intimate point. Half the world is running around on anti-depressants, another part is just plain unhappy, more drink, others turn to a strong believe in a god. What matters is the way they behave towards you, nothing else really. Unless you're at a point in a relationship where you need to be relied upon during certain hours (professional, personal, whatever) you don't get to make that judgement upfront.
It means something to your relationship with that at whatever point it begins to effect it. That threshold and degree of change varies from person to person and situation to situation.
Every piece of information we have about someone changes our opinion of them to some degree based our our associations with it. If you know someone goes to the gym every day, that has some effect on your opinion of them. If they use a lot of profanity, another effect. This is simply human nature and how we categorize and evaluate things. Those individual changes aren't generally huge changes, but they occur daily and continually. Why should drug use be exempt from this process?
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On October 19 2011 07:04 MozzarellaL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 06:59 Derez wrote:
Not really. The fact that someone likes to smoke a little on a friday night while watching a movie means nothing for your relationship with him/her, until you get to a very intimate point. Half the world is running around on anti-depressants, another part is just plain unhappy, more drink, others turn to a strong believe in a god. What matters is the way they behave towards you, nothing else really.
Not really. I view anyone who relies on self-medication to 'get him through a rough patch' the exact same. Also, I could care less about someone who does something in moderation from time to time. Furthermore, I will view any addict, any alcoholic, any persistent, consistent user the same regardless of what drug they use. That includes caffeine: a weak-willed and willing slave.
Does this also include other obsessive behaviour, like eating a lot?
Or play a lot of SC2 games to 'get him through a rough patch'?
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On October 19 2011 07:04 MozzarellaL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 06:59 Derez wrote:
Not really. The fact that someone likes to smoke a little on a friday night while watching a movie means nothing for your relationship with him/her, until you get to a very intimate point. Half the world is running around on anti-depressants, another part is just plain unhappy, more drink, others turn to a strong believe in a god. What matters is the way they behave towards you, nothing else really.
Not really. I view anyone who relies on self-medication to 'get him through a rough patch' the exact same. Also, I could care less about someone who does something in moderation from time to time. Furthermore, I will view any addict, any alcoholic, any persistent, consistent user the same regardless of what drug they use. That includes caffeine: a weak-willed and willing slave.
So you are boring boring boring who has absolutly no life experience (which is shown by your disregard of having a hard time). I think people who are afraid of expanding their mind and experience new things are weak willed and willing slaves to societies conventions.
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On October 19 2011 07:20 BlackFlag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 07:04 MozzarellaL wrote:On October 19 2011 06:59 Derez wrote:
Not really. The fact that someone likes to smoke a little on a friday night while watching a movie means nothing for your relationship with him/her, until you get to a very intimate point. Half the world is running around on anti-depressants, another part is just plain unhappy, more drink, others turn to a strong believe in a god. What matters is the way they behave towards you, nothing else really.
Not really. I view anyone who relies on self-medication to 'get him through a rough patch' the exact same. Also, I could care less about someone who does something in moderation from time to time. Furthermore, I will view any addict, any alcoholic, any persistent, consistent user the same regardless of what drug they use. That includes caffeine: a weak-willed and willing slave. So you are boring boring boring who has absolutly no life experience (which is shown by your disregard of having a hard time). I think people who are afraid of expanding their mind and experience new things are weak willed and willing slaves to societies conventions.
Experience new things =/ breaking the law.
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Holy shit american's are so righteous. The thing that kills me about this....the majority of the people who hate pot cause its illegal took part in shit like underage drinking. Why aren't you so righteous about that? Isn't that "illegal"?
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On October 19 2011 07:13 iSTime wrote:
That Steve Jobs guy sure was weak-willed and a willing slave, eh?
I'm confused as to how medically prescribed medication by a medical profession is 'self-medication'
Not to mention the dozens of other successful people who had positive experiences with psychedelics, and a plethora of people who used amphetamines to be more productive, for example Paul Erdos and The Beatles.
Did you completely ignore my entire sentence stating that I do not care if someone does something in moderation? Are you illiterate?
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On October 19 2011 07:20 BlackFlag wrote:
So you are boring boring boring who has absolutly no life experience (which is shown by your disregard of having a hard time). I think people who are afraid of expanding their mind and experience new things are weak willed and willing slaves to societies conventions.
No, but you're illiterate.
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On October 19 2011 07:26 BandonBanshee wrote:
Holy shit american's are so righteous. The thing that kills me about this....the majority of the people who hate pot cause its illegal took part in shit like underage drinking. Why aren't you so righteous about that? Isn't that "illegal"?
Where do you get the idea that people who hate pot b/c it is illegal also drank underage? Make assumptions much? Do you even have any poll data supporting this correlation?
On October 19 2011 07:17 Timmsh wrote:
Does this also include other obsessive behaviour, like eating a lot?
Yes.
Or play a lot of SC2 games to 'get him through a rough patch'?
Depends. If the person plays sc2 games to escape from his reality because he thinks his life sucks, then yes. However, doing something else momentarily to break away from stress is shown to decrease levels of stress and improve happiness overall. So if he is playing sc2 for that purpose then good for him to recognize it. By the way drug use does not decrease stress or alleviate depression, it makes it worse and that is a medical fact. If you self-medicate to get through a rough patch and you are doing this on a consistent basis not only are you weak willed but you are also just stupid.
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On October 19 2011 08:06 MozzarellaL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 07:26 BandonBanshee wrote:
Holy shit american's are so righteous. The thing that kills me about this....the majority of the people who hate pot cause its illegal took part in shit like underage drinking. Why aren't you so righteous about that? Isn't that "illegal"? Where do you get the idea that people who hate pot b/c it is illegal also drank underage? Make assumptions much? Do you even have any poll data supporting this correlation?
The point of this thread is about making assumptions.
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On October 19 2011 08:10 Voltaire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:06 MozzarellaL wrote:On October 19 2011 07:26 BandonBanshee wrote:
Holy shit american's are so righteous. The thing that kills me about this....the majority of the people who hate pot cause its illegal took part in shit like underage drinking. Why aren't you so righteous about that? Isn't that "illegal"? Where do you get the idea that people who hate pot b/c it is illegal also drank underage? Make assumptions much? Do you even have any poll data supporting this correlation? The point of this thread is about making assumptions.
Not really assumptions since most of those 'assumptions' are true. Is it prejudicial to ask someone from Hawaii if he knows how to surf? To ask someone from Colorado if she knows how to ski? To ask someone from Canada if he knows how to skate? If a certain characteristic accurately describes over 50% of a certain class of individuals why is it bad to assume a random person from that class has the characteristic? Is that even 'prejudice'? It's called making informed decisions, is the choice of car insurers to charge lower rates to college graduates prejudicial against stupid people? Get real.
On October 19 2011 05:28 Luepert wrote:
Well technically its the law, if your willing to go against the laws set by the country that uses its power to protect your rights, there's something a little out of line even in that regard.
Who cares if it is the law, it is the duty of the righteous citizen to break unjust laws which are tyrannical and immoral.
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If someone takes illegal drugs it really depends on which one... Weed is really weak and is condiserred illegal but so is crack making it an inconsistant survey. Someone who does crack will be looked at more negatively in general than someone that does weed. IMO anyways.
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On October 19 2011 08:21 Taesis wrote:
If someone takes illegal drugs it really depends on which one... Weed is really weak and is condiserred illegal but so is crack making it an inconsistant survey. Someone who does crack will be looked at more negatively in general than someone that does weed. IMO anyways.
Why does an investment banker who snorts cocaine more deserving of scorn than an unemployed hippy who takes bong hits 4 jesus?
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On October 18 2011 08:20 oldgregg wrote:Excellent! Nope I dont think anyone has posted this yet. Graphs like this are SO NECESSARY when having any debate on drugs. Also, people should check out a documentary called "Grass" made in 1999. It documents the history of the illegalization of Marijuana in the USA, its very interesting indeed.
This chart is completely inaccurate. They state heroin is the most harmful drug on the board, but I don't think anyone has ever died from PURE heroin. The problem is a chart like this is completely skewed, and unable to deliver accurate truths.
Heroin was sold over the counter in America in the early 1900, where you could even buy the original metal syringes. The effects of it were, and are non-existent. Heroin doesn't do near the long term damage to your liver, kidneys, or stomach unlike over the counter pain relievers tylenol, ibuprofen, and aspirin. Look into the history of heroin, or even the present. Some countries in Europe use prescribe Heroin for chronic pain.
What is being sold on the street for the most part in America, although advertised as Heroin is more quinine or fetnyal. What the news suggests is a heroin overdose is truly a quinine overdose.
In the same token, to suggest that Ecstasy is a 1 is ludicrous. It's manufactured by biker gangs or chemists, or simply people who don't really know what they are doing. Ecstasy can be produced with ANYTHING made into pill form and stamped with a logo. It means nothing.
I agree that data is necessary and beneficial for a discussion, but there is nothing objective about that graph.
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On October 19 2011 08:21 Taesis wrote:
If someone takes illegal drugs it really depends on which one... Weed is really weak and is condiserred illegal but so is crack making it an inconsistant survey. Someone who does crack will be looked at more negatively in general than someone that does weed. IMO anyways.
Both of them impare judgement, right? As far as I can see, anyone who uses any of them around me or anyone I care about could be dangerous. Is that biased? It scares me to think that my girlfriend or friend or son or daughter could be put at the mercy of someone too high to see straight, and whether they're high on pot or crack doesn't seem important.
I know people say pot doesn't impare their judgement and blah blah blah, but it's a plain and simple fact that it negatively affects reaction time and memory. Those could really hurt someone in the wrong situation.
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On October 17 2011 11:22 UmiNotsuki wrote:
This comes from a little personal realization of mine, and I'm wondering what you fine people of TL think about it. Is being uncomfortable around people who use drugs just because they use drugs just as bad as racism or sexism?
No. You can't choose your race. You can't choose your sex. You can't choose your height. Nor, despite what some want to believe, can you choose your sexual orientation.
Drug use is a choice, and choices have consequences. One of those consequences can be ostracism if society deems that choice to be repugnant.
Society is wrong to punish people for things that they can't control. But punishing them for things that can control, for the choices that they make, is at least defensible.
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On October 19 2011 08:29 UmiNotsuki wrote:
I know people say pot doesn't impare their judgement and blah blah blah, but it's a plain and simple fact that it negatively affects reaction time and memory. Those could really hurt someone in the wrong situation.
So is being sleepy, so let's outlaw driving while deprived of sleep (it's worse than driving simultaneously drunk and high). If I had to choose between driving sleepy and driving while chain smoking blunts I would drive high 100 times out of 100.
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