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tMomiji
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1115 Posts
October 18 2011 19:49 GMT
#701
Hoo boy! I could talk for hours about this, but I have work to do today, so I'll just keep it short and throw in my two cents by saying I honestly think it's situational. Depends not only on the person, but on the drugs. Basically I have a problem with obnoxious or stupid people and I have a HUGE problem with people who take prescription drugs illegally because there are some people, like me for instance, who actually need those; but aside from that I don't have much of a problem. Yes I'd worry about them - if I liked them; other times I consider these people weak-willed - but it doesn't mean I hate them. -shrugs-

TL;DR - I don't like irresponsible, obnoxious, or weak-willed people. But drug users aren't necessarily any of those things. So there you go.
"I wonder if there is a league below copper? If so, I would like to inhabit it." -TotalBiscuit "In the event of a sudden change in cabin pressure, ROOF FLIES OFF!" -George Carlin <3 HerO <3 Kiwikaki <3 MKP
Dbla08
Profile Joined March 2011
United States211 Posts
October 18 2011 19:54 GMT
#702
all the people that click "No" are closed minded bigots. stereotypes always have true examples but that doesn't mean that the stereotypes are true for the entire demographics its being directed towards. so on this particular one, you're going to say "its okay for me to be prejudice against these people, just no one else." the fact is that people are selfish, people assume anything they'd like, and most people believe whatever they're told, until one or all of these things change for the people who choose to be bigots, i offer them no respect, and even less recognition than i'd give a heroine addict on the streets. whether its casual pot smokers or straight up junkies, they're people too. prejudicing them is just as wrong as saying all black people are niggers or all gay people should die.

also
On October 17 2011 11:26 Alay wrote:
No. my mother and father were both big alcoholics. My best friend went completely wacked out on pot and almost got me in some bad places. I've seen drug use and abuse do nothing but hurt the people around me, and I certainly think very little of people who cannot find any other coping mechanism than to resort to warping their perception.


And yet their are hundreds of thousands of people who can drink every day or smoke put every day and function just fine in society. Just because your friends fucked up doesn't mean it was all the drugs fault. Why do you just assume its a coping method? Lots of people do it simply because they enjoy it! Some people like to spend their spare time playing sports, some video games and other like to drink or smoke? Why hold it against them?


props to you good sir, at least some people don't look at things blindly and assume what they're told by mass media etc is correct.
MozzarellaL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States822 Posts
October 18 2011 19:58 GMT
#703
People ITT confuse prejudice & stereotyping with the initial rebuttable presumption of opinion one forms after learning a specific fact about someone else in the absence of any other information.
whitelly
Profile Joined May 2011
Czech Republic50 Posts
October 18 2011 20:10 GMT
#704
Well if you buy cocain and weed you are actually fueling wast crime imperium,and for example,drug war in mexico.(i know they are "just" mexicans but still(sarkasm here))That is not exactly "victimless crime" anymore.
Nasradime
Profile Joined January 2011
France83 Posts
October 18 2011 20:13 GMT
#705
On October 19 2011 04:54 Dbla08 wrote:
all the people that click "No" are closed minded bigots.

Come on now, this is a ridiculous thing to say. Be the better.
Comsat me bro
PiRate647
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium187 Posts
October 18 2011 20:20 GMT
#706
Most shit is legal here in Soddom(=Belgium) , so no. I`m supposed to head out to a party thursday where there will be massive drug use (Be strong pirate :D). For us it`s just the norm, you won`t be looked at differently by anyone else than old ladies.
"Who always takes a taxi, but never pays a fare?" - "Vegeta!?" ||||exclusively a fan of RET!! .... and perhaps ClouD !
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
October 18 2011 20:28 GMT
#707
Well technically its the law, if your willing to go against the laws set by the country that uses its power to protect your rights, there's something a little out of line even in that regard.
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Vegalive
Profile Joined November 2010
United States96 Posts
October 18 2011 20:41 GMT
#708
On October 19 2011 04:54 Dbla08 wrote:
all the people that click "No" are closed minded bigots. stereotypes always have true examples but that doesn't mean that the stereotypes are true for the entire demographics its being directed towards. so on this particular one, you're going to say "its okay for me to be prejudice against these people, just no one else." the fact is that people are selfish, people assume anything they'd like, and most people believe whatever they're told, until one or all of these things change for the people who choose to be bigots, i offer them no respect, and even less recognition than i'd give a heroine addict on the streets. whether its casual pot smokers or straight up junkies, they're people too. prejudicing them is just as wrong as saying all black people are niggers or all gay people should die.

also
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2011 11:26 Alay wrote:
No. my mother and father were both big alcoholics. My best friend went completely wacked out on pot and almost got me in some bad places. I've seen drug use and abuse do nothing but hurt the people around me, and I certainly think very little of people who cannot find any other coping mechanism than to resort to warping their perception.


And yet their are hundreds of thousands of people who can drink every day or smoke put every day and function just fine in society. Just because your friends fucked up doesn't mean it was all the drugs fault. Why do you just assume its a coping method? Lots of people do it simply because they enjoy it! Some people like to spend their spare time playing sports, some video games and other like to drink or smoke? Why hold it against them?


props to you good sir, at least some people don't look at things blindly and assume what they're told by mass media etc is correct.


You're comparing two entirely different things. Looking negatively upon someone for something they can't change, like being born black or being born homosexual, is completely different than looking negatively upon someone who chooses to break the law.
Tamehr
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada63 Posts
October 18 2011 20:50 GMT
#709
I think that there is way too much people that are misinformed about drugs and what they actually do to you.
I also think that if the government wants to help "stopping" drug use they should inform people about true facts of what its doing to you and what the dangers are. (because kids will do it anyways )
I'm talking about low "danger level"* drugs from like weed, mdma, 2c's, shrooms, lsd, lsa. I'm not talking about crack or heroin of whatever.

*in moderation, obviously.

Also, to anyone thinking about doing drugs, I strongly advise you just to get as much informed as possible of it. 420chan.org and taimapedia.org are generaly good for that.
hueheuhe
Microsloth
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada194 Posts
October 18 2011 20:50 GMT
#710
After reading through this rapidly declining thread. I'll summarize my previously stated opinion:

I smoked pot twice. Got a good high. Hated the smell, taste, coughing, and don't enjoy the prospect of getting a criminal record.

Because of my first hand experience, I avoid becoming close with habitual users.. and yes, I suppose I hold some level of prejudice toward pot smokers.

But I don't go around telling them that. To each their own, if it doesn't affect me, toke'r up bud. I'm in the military now and my choice is made even easier since I have no interest is losing my career. It baffles me that members at my posting give zero fucks and smoke up all the time.

Hard drugs are different. I avoid them and people who have them, sell them or use them at all costs.
Double digit APM. ftw?
rycho
Profile Joined July 2010
United States360 Posts
October 18 2011 21:07 GMT
#711
this thread is really sad; i would have expected better from team liquid users because i thought this was a pretty smart community. i'd like to see the outrage if the same people who put down drug users saw a poll where the majority voted that they thought less of people who played video games (this is a very common attitude, by the way). my guess is that that opinion would be ripped apart by the same posters who are claiming drug use is immoral.

just because something is illegal does not mean it is immoral, despite what those in power would like you to believe. in fact, morality directly opposes legality in many instances, and it is important to actually think critically about such issues. i think a lot of you need to grow the hell up.
MozzarellaL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States822 Posts
October 18 2011 21:16 GMT
#712
On October 19 2011 06:07 rycho wrote:
this thread is really sad; i would have expected better from team liquid users because i thought this was a pretty smart community. i'd like to see the outrage if the same people who put down drug users saw a poll where the majority voted that they thought less of people who played video games (this is a very common attitude, by the way). my guess is that that opinion would be ripped apart by the same posters who are claiming drug use is immoral.

So? People view guys who work out at the gym a lot in a certain way, they view women who shop at a mall in a certain way, etc. It is a general conception often leading to subject matter for late night comedy and stand-up artists. It is not a prejudice. Who the fuck cares.
jimbob615
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Uruguay455 Posts
October 18 2011 21:21 GMT
#713
On October 19 2011 06:07 rycho wrote:
this thread is really sad; i would have expected better from team liquid users because i thought this was a pretty smart community. i'd like to see the outrage if the same people who put down drug users saw a poll where the majority voted that they thought less of people who played video games (this is a very common attitude, by the way). my guess is that that opinion would be ripped apart by the same posters who are claiming drug use is immoral.

just because something is illegal does not mean it is immoral, despite what those in power would like you to believe. in fact, morality directly opposes legality in many instances, and it is important to actually think critically about such issues. i think a lot of you need to grow the hell up.

sad man... you're really trying to justify your use aren't you?
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
October 18 2011 21:22 GMT
#714
I find it very interesting, i would like to see if this same prejudice applies to other mental and physiognomical substances namely alcohol

Poll: When an acquaintance tells you that he/ she drinks you?

Does not affect you opinion. (4)
 
67%

Proves inimical to your opinion on him/her (1)
 
17%

Ameliorates your opinion of him/her? (1)
 
17%

6 total votes

Your vote: When an acquaintance tells you that he/ she drinks you?

(Vote): Proves inimical to your opinion on him/her
(Vote): Ameliorates your opinion of him/her?
(Vote): Does not affect you opinion.

“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
October 18 2011 21:25 GMT
#715
On October 19 2011 06:21 jimbob615 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 06:07 rycho wrote:
this thread is really sad; i would have expected better from team liquid users because i thought this was a pretty smart community. i'd like to see the outrage if the same people who put down drug users saw a poll where the majority voted that they thought less of people who played video games (this is a very common attitude, by the way). my guess is that that opinion would be ripped apart by the same posters who are claiming drug use is immoral.

just because something is illegal does not mean it is immoral, despite what those in power would like you to believe. in fact, morality directly opposes legality in many instances, and it is important to actually think critically about such issues. i think a lot of you need to grow the hell up.

sad man... you're really trying to justify your use aren't you?

Did he ever say he even uses? your resorting to ad hominems to try and negate the logic in the post?
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
Dranak
Profile Joined July 2011
United States464 Posts
October 18 2011 21:33 GMT
#716
On October 19 2011 04:54 Dbla08 wrote:
all the people that click "No" are closed minded bigots. stereotypes always have true examples but that doesn't mean that the stereotypes are true for the entire demographics its being directed towards. so on this particular one, you're going to say "its okay for me to be prejudice against these people, just no one else." the fact is that people are selfish, people assume anything they'd like, and most people believe whatever they're told, until one or all of these things change for the people who choose to be bigots, i offer them no respect, and even less recognition than i'd give a heroine addict on the streets. whether its casual pot smokers or straight up junkies, they're people too. prejudicing them is just as wrong as saying all black people are niggers or all gay people should die.


There's a large difference between drawing an opinion on someone based on a choice they make (drug use) and something they can't control (race).
MozzarellaL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States822 Posts
October 18 2011 21:37 GMT
#717
On October 19 2011 06:33 Dranak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2011 04:54 Dbla08 wrote:
all the people that click "No" are closed minded bigots. stereotypes always have true examples but that doesn't mean that the stereotypes are true for the entire demographics its being directed towards. so on this particular one, you're going to say "its okay for me to be prejudice against these people, just no one else." the fact is that people are selfish, people assume anything they'd like, and most people believe whatever they're told, until one or all of these things change for the people who choose to be bigots, i offer them no respect, and even less recognition than i'd give a heroine addict on the streets. whether its casual pot smokers or straight up junkies, they're people too. prejudicing them is just as wrong as saying all black people are niggers or all gay people should die.


There's a large difference between drawing an opinion on someone based on a choice they make (drug use) and something they can't control (race).

Especially a choice they know will affect other people's impression of them.
jimbob615
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Uruguay455 Posts
October 18 2011 21:45 GMT
#718
On October 19 2011 06:22 AudionovA wrote:
I find it very interesting, i would like to see if this same prejudice applies to other mental and physiognomical substances namely alcohol

Poll: When an acquaintance tells you that he/ she drinks you?

Does not affect you opinion. (4)
 
67%

Proves inimical to your opinion on him/her (1)
 
17%

Ameliorates your opinion of him/her? (1)
 
17%

6 total votes

Your vote: When an acquaintance tells you that he/ she drinks you?

(Vote): Proves inimical to your opinion on him/her
(Vote): Ameliorates your opinion of him/her?
(Vote): Does not affect you opinion.


depends on the severity. there's a huge gap between someone who only drinks at parties compared to someone who drinks a carton every few days.
VonLego
Profile Joined June 2010
United States519 Posts
October 18 2011 21:50 GMT
#719
Yeah or even someone who just has a beer with a meal. I don't get plastered... ever. It doesn't bother me much if someone does once in a rare while by being careless... but folks who go out to "get drunk" every weekend bother me. I can respect the person anyways for other reasons, but this attribute takes it away.
inamorato
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States263 Posts
October 18 2011 21:57 GMT
#720
On October 17 2011 11:30 Chargelot wrote:
I have an inherent fear of people who are actively high on PCP and Cocaine.
Something about a man who can steamroll me into a bloody mess AFTER I shoot him in the chest 12 times just doesn't sit right with me.

Clearly I'm a bigot.

I don't really know where you interpret this yeti like strength and power from cocaine especially.

From personal experience smoked, snort, inject, I get so blown back in my chair with the taste of kerosine, and the feeling that my heart may explode at any moment. Now that's just me.

Aside from that, I wasn't aware of the sheer tunnel vision of average liquid posters. To suggest that you're opinion of all drug users is negatively effected because someone else chooses to use drugs is painting with a broad brush.

It's true, a quantifiable amount of drug users have stepped into a dimension beyond their control. Even so, if they aren't directly affecting the lives of others I've never discovered a problem.

Some people can control their drug use, even keep it in the closet. Others are full tilt junkies lacking the ability to pull the jammy out of their vein. I fall into the category of the latter.

But if their is one thing that I have learned from years of use, it's best to stay in your lane while others are in their lane.

Conclusion: Must add alcohol poll, because alcohol is a drug along with cigarettes and caffeine.

Don't even bother quoting and question my prior statement, because I don't know any pot heads or heroin addicts who go home and beat their wives.
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