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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

Posts of the following nature are banned:
1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
January 20 2017 18:43 GMT
#18221
I thought japanese girls became old-looking in the moment their first grandchild is born.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-21 00:33:39
January 21 2017 00:32 GMT
#18222
nvm delete
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
January 21 2017 01:45 GMT
#18223
As soon as you are woman, black white asian blue green, your diet and how you take care of yourself decide how quickly you get old. Many women have 0 care on their diet, drink smoke party hard, use bad make up or overuse make up since they were young which damaged their skin/hair so badly, those will look older for sure. Doesn't matter what race you are.

is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5237 Posts
January 21 2017 07:02 GMT
#18224
Are you telling me, that genetics have nothing to do with how fast you can become old? Like, just like with intelligence I can point to Down's syndrome, and with ageing I can point to another extreme: Progeria.
There might be more nuance involved in ageing than you might expect, BurningSera.
Here's a review article on the genetics of ageing: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3295054/
If you want a less intense read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_of_aging
Taxes are for Terrans
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
January 21 2017 07:55 GMT
#18225
On January 21 2017 00:24 KungKras wrote:
[It's bad enough that I never had a girlfriend as a teenager. And at 26 that ship sure has sailed. It makes my life feel unnatural when I look back at it and it's left a black hole in my soul that I can never go back to and repair.

Am I the only one here who thinks that Kungras has gotten himself in a bit of an unhealthy mindset?

Seriously man sounds like you are giving yourself an unnecissarily hard time here. Ive had girlfriends when I was a teenager and didnt stay with them to see them grow up. And I never even consideres that as something you could experience as having missed out. Life is not some soap opera where the lovers grow up and old together man and thats ok... If you meet a 30+ girl you really like then don't sabotage yourself with this borderline delusional mindset.
dravernor
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Netherlands6192 Posts
January 21 2017 08:02 GMT
#18226
There are a heap of factors. It is genetics and self care.

My friend wears a heap of makeup to cover up her bad skin. It makes the problem worse. Seeing her without make up is quite scary now because you can see her wrinkles and her open sores where she has picked her pimples etc. Covering her skin in makeup suffocates it and makes it worse. Her skin type is quite dry.
Comparatively, I wear little to no makeup and my skin is pretty good most of the time and the only wrinkles I have are smile lines around my eyes. Our diets are very similar, though I feel I do eat worse intermittently, and she is more consistent with her diet and exercise. My skin type is normal/oily.
Both our mothers are around the same age and they both have great skin. My mother looks far more aged than her mother because my mother wears makeup regularly and smokes and drinks and fad diets. Her mother is overweight but looks more youthful and girlish.

It makes for an interesting case study when you realise we are the same age but she looks 28 and I look 22.
<3
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-21 08:40:51
January 21 2017 08:35 GMT
#18227
On January 21 2017 16:02 Uldridge wrote:
Are you telling me, that genetics have nothing to do with how fast you can become old? Like, just like with intelligence I can point to Down's syndrome, and with ageing I can point to another extreme: Progeria.
There might be more nuance involved in ageing than you might expect, BurningSera.
Here's a review article on the genetics of ageing: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3295054/
If you want a less intense read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_of_aging


You can see 50yo white woman looks like she is in her 20s, you can find 40yo asian woman looks like she is like a 70yo witch (all the wrinkles and fat etc etc).

We can talk about all the genetic factors here, but diet, exercise, overall attentions on keeping fit, how/what actions do you take after you went through vigorous impacts on your body (like pregnancy) are the bigger key factors.

Is like the most misleading concept of 21st century, yes, if your genes make you 'if i am only drinking water i will still turn out chubby anyway' (if thats the truth), then bloody hell, so be it, but you have millions of ways to counter or slow the (bad) aging process. Diet Diet Diet, and self care.

+ Show Spoiler +
I dont want to use anecdotal evidence but i work in a field where most people dont smoke (and not drinking that much), i see these people as sad/no life people but damn they look much younger than their actual age. Yes, the irony is that i work in healthcare related industry.


and i do very much read papers as a part of my job, i mean, come on, that paper,
'These changes can be caused through 1) genetic and 2) epigenetic mechanisms, which are influenced by genes, 3) environmental and 4) stochastic factors; the contribution of each of these factors remains to be determined by future studies.' summed it up very well, and look at how 1 out of 4 'main factors' there is pure genetical.

And most importantly, aging =/= look bad, you have to consider what kind of concept of 'measurement' they discussed in that paper, which is sort of 'decline in physical, mental, and reproductive capacity, as well as an increase in morbidity and mortality.', they are discussing 'lifespan' there so i dont think it is the same as what we are talking here.

Long story short is that, what a random post, i dont follow this thread that often and that just happened lol.

Bottomline is, i would choose a partner who would take good care of herself, in a long run it is good for everyone (same to me of course).
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
January 21 2017 08:36 GMT
#18228
I got engaged some months ago. It's amazing how things can just click with someone. It's not that there are never arguments or moments when we disagree with each other, it's how you solve them, and how you appreciate the other persons opinion and are willing to learn and be wrong. Of course healthy self esteem for both parties will make the relationship easier, and since your self esteem and character develops for quite a long time (at least until 25), you don't need to hurry with relationships. I guess that with life, you can only be as ready as you are for the next step. Life will always bring new challenges, new situations, and you need to solve them.

Lol, I don't feel like i'm any kind of a guru to share advice, I just appreciate the fact that I've found a person I feel that I can completely trust and love and can truly vision sharing a long life with because of our aligning values.

A thought for discussion: we often hear others say 'spend your young days exploring your options, date a lot of people as you're young, you have plenty of time to figure out what you want to do later'. While there may be some truth to this, and while it is without a doubt that there are some people who have spent their life this way feeling satisfied, consider this:
-If you want to be succesful in life, you pretty much have to work your ass off before you're 30 (Because after that comes a lot of other responsibilities, like family, mortage, kids etc etc). Do you want to spend your early years dating a lot of people, or dating few right people and having a succesful life? Dating a lot of people and partying might develop you a lot of unhealthy habits, while the other not so much. Of course, these things are not black and white
-While you are exploring your options, having sex with a lot of people and whatnot, there are hundreds or thousands of people your age, your intelligence and around the same area as you are who are more focused than you are. Where will you end up? Where will they end up?
-What you regret in life depends who you spend your time with. If it's with people who eagerly share their sexual conquests, you will regret not having same experiences. If you spend your time with people who are career oriented, you will regret not being so career focused.
nrv
Profile Joined April 2011
United States113 Posts
January 21 2017 13:23 GMT
#18229
I've now been with my first girlfriend ever for a little over 10 months, pretty impressive for me seeing as how just a few years ago I would go outside less than 2 times a month. O_o
yes
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32164 Posts
January 21 2017 15:19 GMT
#18230
On January 14 2017 22:25 B.I.G. wrote:
Don't date colleagues
Don't date colleagues
Don't date colleagues

Seriously

Don't date colleagues

You're having a crush mate if she doesn't show you clear signs of interest then do not be that fool that asks her out on a date, ESPECIALLY IF SHE IS YOUR F**KING SUPERIOR

Seriously don't listen to bumbling romantic bullshit of people who have no career (or one they give a damn about) that refer to the 1 in a 100 chance it actually works rather then making this a crash and burn cringe worthy fail.

Crushes in general are the fucking work of the devil because they have the tendency to be aimed at people that are unreachable for whatever reason.

Don't torture yourself with this or do dumb shit. Seriously move on and get over it if she doesn't make a move first. Unless you think this is the love of your live but I somehow doubt it.

def true, but boning at work for him means right on the goddamn stand. that's worth the risk
PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-22 14:04:33
January 22 2017 14:02 GMT
#18231
I've known plenty of people that met at work, married couples too, in the corporate world. I think the common denominator was that nobody had a clue they were fucking like rabbits desecrating company property because the never showed affection at work until they got engaged/married. It must add a spark too tbh keeping it a secret.

You just have to be more subtle about it is all, forgo clear intentions when asking someone out for professionalism.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
January 22 2017 15:50 GMT
#18232
On January 22 2017 23:02 LemOn wrote:
I've known plenty of people that met at work, married couples too, in the corporate world. I think the common denominator was that nobody had a clue they were fucking like rabbits desecrating company property because the never showed affection at work until they got engaged/married. It must add a spark too tbh keeping it a secret.

You just have to be more subtle about it is all, forgo clear intentions when asking someone out for professionalism.

I think it depends a lot of the type of the company. If it's a small coffee shop, then you're probably fucked. However if it's the biggest telecom company in the world, then the stakes aren't as high as you maybe don't work as closely. If something were to go wrong, you might be in different departments etc.

High risk, possibly high reward I guess.
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18489 Posts
January 22 2017 15:52 GMT
#18233
On January 23 2017 00:50 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2017 23:02 LemOn wrote:
I've known plenty of people that met at work, married couples too, in the corporate world. I think the common denominator was that nobody had a clue they were fucking like rabbits desecrating company property because the never showed affection at work until they got engaged/married. It must add a spark too tbh keeping it a secret.

You just have to be more subtle about it is all, forgo clear intentions when asking someone out for professionalism.

I think it depends a lot of the type of the company. If it's a small coffee shop, then you're probably fucked. However if it's the biggest telecom company in the world, then the stakes aren't as high as you maybe don't work as closely. If something were to go wrong, you might be in different departments etc.

High risk, possibly high reward I guess.

Did you people miss the bit where he said she's his direct superior?
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-22 15:57:51
January 22 2017 15:57 GMT
#18234
On January 23 2017 00:52 Acrofales wrote:
Did you people miss the bit where he said she's his direct superior?

No, I responded to lem0n's more general perspective. Dating a superior is stupid
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32164 Posts
January 22 2017 18:26 GMT
#18235
On January 23 2017 00:50 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2017 23:02 LemOn wrote:
I've known plenty of people that met at work, married couples too, in the corporate world. I think the common denominator was that nobody had a clue they were fucking like rabbits desecrating company property because the never showed affection at work until they got engaged/married. It must add a spark too tbh keeping it a secret.

You just have to be more subtle about it is all, forgo clear intentions when asking someone out for professionalism.

I think it depends a lot of the type of the company. If it's a small coffee shop, then you're probably fucked. However if it's the biggest telecom company in the world, then the stakes aren't as high as you maybe don't work as closely. If something were to go wrong, you might be in different departments etc.

High risk, possibly high reward I guess.

the larger the company, the more likely they have an hr dept with specific written rules about not fucking coworkers. a smaller place is more likely to not have a handbook with a section about dating coworkers, but in an office with a dozen people, it is gonna be pretty obvious you have the hots for the secretary.

PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
January 24 2017 02:48 GMT
#18236
Fucking co workers is slightly less stupid but still a potential career killer. Your choice I guess. I'm telling you from my own experience it's a mistake though.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
January 24 2017 10:40 GMT
#18237
I mean, there's a golden rule that is, don't make big decisions while you're horny. We all have been there, when you're finished and thought "wtf did i just did" or "why am I watching this?". With that said, fucking co workers is thinking with your lower head. You don't need this, it'll probably bring you problems in your work, and if does not bring problems to work it'll make you still see the same person if things don't go well.

With that said, decisions are better made after fapping. As weird as it seems. (this is my personal opinion, not saying that's an universal rule)
dravernor
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Netherlands6192 Posts
January 24 2017 11:01 GMT
#18238
Kinda like the grocery shopping rule 'never shop on an empty stomach' because then you're more likely to buy junk food.
<3
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
January 25 2017 16:03 GMT
#18239
Yeah that's all nice guys - don't date this don't date that
but
...
What about True Love?
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-25 16:29:14
January 25 2017 16:28 GMT
#18240
That's a lie. I'm in love with my gf, we may marry in 2~3 years, but both of us see defects on each other. So if you mean true love as an irremediable and unconditional love, it does not exist.

But i think love is more about wanting to be better for a person than wanting a person to make you feel better. I guess to fall in love you have to love yourself first, not rely on the other person to make you happy, it'll not happen, humans have flaws.
that's my 2 cents on this
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