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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

Posts of the following nature are banned:
1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
dravernor
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Netherlands6189 Posts
December 28 2013 08:35 GMT
#7221
I just happened to catch a bit of 'The Bachelor' on TV. Does anyone else think this show is awfully wrong in every single way? Right from picking a man and setting him out on dates with multiple women (ignoring the part where he is on tv the whole time) and making him eliminate them one at a time afer forging a connection with them. He then narrows it down to two women that he is simultaneously dating, that know each other. He tells them both he loves them and then takes them separately to meet his family and they grill the women. At the end of the show he takes them each on a final date and proposes to one of them.
How is any of that acceptable? Thoughts?
<3
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 08:43:38
December 28 2013 08:42 GMT
#7222
On December 28 2013 17:05 aksfjh wrote:
So, online dating is a little weird. On the one hand, you have to be yourself, which is super easy. I don't pretend to be a lion tamer or some guy that really enjoys sports. On the other hand, I feel like I'm only presenting a specific version at a time. There's the super smart, bookish aksfjh that loves science, economics, and politics. There's also the gamer aksfjh, that will blow an entire week on Skyrim, SC2, and various indie games sitting in the backlog. Then there's the athletic aksfjh that cycles 150-200 miles a week. And the super hardworking aksfjh that will gladly work 12 hour days without a hesitation. Mixed in there are obviously conflicting aksfjhs, like the one that needs a lot affirmation and attention, and the one that is totally cool only talking 2-3 times in a single week.

Maybe it just feels weird because I'm trying to talk to so many women at once, and see these different versions in such rapid succession and have to present each one as me on a whole, not simply as a part.

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On December 28 2013 13:21 TheFish7 wrote:
On December 28 2013 12:05 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Hahaha oops. I just asked a girl out for New Years Eve fireworks show(cheesy and lame I know but its an easy date that everyone likes) who has a BF. And said BF heard me ask. Obviously she said no and he told me to "Fuck off or die". Was positive this woman was single. too...


It amazes me how often some girls conveniently leave the "I have a BF" part out of the conversation even when it is fairly obvious that they are being hit on. Then when the BF comes over he skips the asking nicely to stop part and just immediately escalates it to threats of violence lol. I've seen it from both sides of the equation and sometimes get the feeling the girls just want to have their man 'come to the rescue' like they're on some primal shit. Although most of the girls (3) I've dated have been strong willed enough to tell a guy off without needing (or wanting) my help.


I've dated a few women who get a kick out of making their BF (slightly) jealous. Obviously not a crazy kind of jealous, but enough to know that she is "worth fighting for."


How is that different from regular dating?

Jealousy is a weak emotion. Ya'll gotta overcome that man.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 09:08:23
December 28 2013 09:07 GMT
#7223
On December 28 2013 17:35 dravernor wrote:
I just happened to catch a bit of 'The Bachelor' on TV. Does anyone else think this show is awfully wrong in every single way? Right from picking a man and setting him out on dates with multiple women (ignoring the part where he is on tv the whole time) and making him eliminate them one at a time afer forging a connection with them. He then narrows it down to two women that he is simultaneously dating, that know each other. He tells them both he loves them and then takes them separately to meet his family and they grill the women. At the end of the show he takes them each on a final date and proposes to one of them.
How is any of that acceptable? Thoughts?

Not one of those couples has had a marriage last. 100% divorce rate, and thats assuming the dude even proposes. Only the latest season couple is still together and I'm taking the under on how long that lasts lol

It's "scripted" TV anyways.
From Wikipedia
On February 26, 2009, in an exclusive interview between The Bachelor Season 13 contestant Megan Parris, and Steve Carbone, Megan commented that the producers edit the footage to create a fictional storyline. "I don't think [the producers] showed any real conversation I had with anyone... The viewers fail to realize that editing is what makes the show... You'll hear someone make one comment and then they'll show a clip of somebody's face to make it look like that is their facial reaction to that statement, but really, somebody made that face the day before to something else. It's just piecing things together to make a story."
On March 26, 2009, Megan Parris argued that not only was the show scripted, but that producers bullied contestants into saying things to the camera that contestants did not want to say. "'There's nothing real about it,' she said of the show's trademark "confessionals," in which contestants talk to the camera about the latest goings-on. "It is scripted," she said. "They basically will call you names, berate you, curse at you until they get you to say what they want you to say." Both ABC and Warner Bros., the studio that produces The Bachelor, had no comment."
On March 15, 2010, creator Mike Fleiss appeared on 20/20 and said that he develops contestants into characters that will cater to his audience's tastes and that they "need [their] fair share of villains every season." Fleiss has come under fire for admitting that The Bachelor has less to do with reality than it does making good television.
On February 24, 2012, during the taping of The Women Tell All episode of The Bachelor, a private conversation between contestant Courtney Robertson and a show producer went public when microphones were accidentally left on in between camera takes. The conversation revealed the producer's role as a coach encouraging Robertson to fake certain emotions for the camera which she was not feeling.
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dravernor
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Netherlands6189 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 10:11:21
December 28 2013 09:19 GMT
#7224
Yeah. I was aware of all that but it just seems like unnecessary meddling with people's lives. And it's not like it's a trivial matter. How is this allowed to happen? It's such bullshit.
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rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
December 28 2013 09:57 GMT
#7225
There's been a lot worse in Reality TV. Not that it's a great thing though.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
December 28 2013 10:31 GMT
#7226
While we're discussing the lack of drive towards sex and self improvement. Do you people think masturbating too much contributes in some way? I fap like crazy normally, as in multiple times per day every day. I've tried the no fap thing a couple of times before, but I usually caved before or around the first week, thinking it's just cruel and unusual punishment . Maybe something worth looking into (again)?

And speaking of self improvement and trying and getting yourself out there:
How much of a douche would I be if I ask a girl out that's been flirting with me a lot (I'm pretty sure she's into me, but I've been wrong before) that I'm not thát interested in? Granted I don't really know her (she's a cashier at a local super market). I mean she's cute and all, but she doesn't get my heart racing. It seems like a dick move to ask her out basically as an ego boost or 'just to get myself out there'.
The_Masked_Shrimp
Profile Joined February 2012
425 Posts
December 28 2013 14:21 GMT
#7227
If you masturbate too much it can lead to erection problems once you try for real. Because the real thing is "less exciting" that what you can find in porns. You'll find some starfish girls who just lay there doing nothing and maybe even not making much noise because they're shy or something.
So be carefull about it. Although it's not like being impotent at all, just some psychological stuff that gets better after a while. So if you meet someone you like and that's a concern for you, you don't have to stop masturbate but try not in front of porn anymore, or reduce the frequency xD

ANd imo as long as you don't lie to that girl saying you love her and gonna spend your life with her there is no big problem. Dating is there to get to know someone better so nothing wrong about it.
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
December 28 2013 14:32 GMT
#7228
On December 28 2013 23:21 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
ANd imo as long as you don't lie to that girl saying you love her and gonna spend your life with her there is no big problem. Dating is there to get to know someone better so nothing wrong about it.


Agreed. If after a few dates you still don't really feel anything for her, be clear about your further intentions and try to end it cleanly. You're only a douche if you keep leading her on for the sex or attention.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
December 28 2013 16:32 GMT
#7229
On December 28 2013 19:31 Mikau wrote:
While we're discussing the lack of drive towards sex and self improvement. Do you people think masturbating too much contributes in some way? I fap like crazy normally, as in multiple times per day every day. I've tried the no fap thing a couple of times before, but I usually caved before or around the first week, thinking it's just cruel and unusual punishment . Maybe something worth looking into (again)?

Yes, hugely. Now I don't recommend it as some form of self-improvement or because fapping is evil and omg addictions omg (that whole nofap stuff is kind of... out of hand) but being like "I'll get my satisfaction from sex instead of fapping" should be a slight motivation to go out and chase some. Just do it.

And speaking of self improvement and trying and getting yourself out there:
How much of a douche would I be if I ask a girl out that's been flirting with me a lot (I'm pretty sure she's into me, but I've been wrong before) that I'm not thát interested in? Granted I don't really know her (she's a cashier at a local super market). I mean she's cute and all, but she doesn't get my heart racing. It seems like a dick move to ask her out basically as an ego boost or 'just to get myself out there'.

Do you want to improve your social life and how you work with people in general? Go for it. Talk to bus drivers, grandmas at the bus stop and ask that grumpy clerk if he/she had a bad day. Take up every single opportunity to communicate more than usual and if there aren't any try out ways to make them happen.

For the specific case: flirting, asking people out or even just talking to them with the intention of sex is all completely fine as long as you're honest about it when they are trying to figure out what's going on. It literally boils down to do whatever the hell you want as long as the other person consents to it.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 18:46:21
December 28 2013 18:44 GMT
#7230
When you're carefully hinting at someone that she would interest you greatly (very carefully), leaving small clues, dutifully ignored.
When you're having a talk with her about potential boyfriends/girlfriends and the way of getting them to know what you think during a footing session and she agrees with you that ignoring hints can mean she's either dumb or doing it on purpose...

Is it a next level rejection, or is it she's dumb and doesn't get I'm talking about her xD Ahahahah my head hurts ! (she's usually quite smart, otherwise I wouldn't be interested :-p)

(unrelated : bonus points when the 2010 European enduro horse racing champion wants to sleep with you and you were not even trying, though.)
NoiR
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
December 28 2013 18:49 GMT
#7231
She probably doesn't think of you that way and therefore hasn't been looking for hints. Be more direct.
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 19:00:44
December 28 2013 18:59 GMT
#7232
On December 29 2013 03:49 Najda wrote:
She probably doesn't think of you that way and therefore hasn't been looking for hints. Be more direct.

I think you nailed it, it's my usual problem, I'm not that good in the "getting them romantically interested" part. Friends, best friends, confidant, gf, sex parts are all fine, I'm just missing the most important one.

If she doesn't think that way at least a bit though, it's usually already too late from my experience...

The post was just cause I found the situation funny and a bit ironic ^^
NoiR
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 19:03:16
December 28 2013 19:00 GMT
#7233
On December 29 2013 03:44 Nouar wrote:
When you're carefully hinting at someone that she would interest you greatly (very carefully), leaving small clues, dutifully ignored.
When you're having a talk with her about potential boyfriends/girlfriends and the way of getting them to know what you think during a footing session and she agrees with you that ignoring hints can mean she's either dumb or doing it on purpose...

Is it a next level rejection, or is it she's dumb and doesn't get I'm talking about her xD Ahahahah my head hurts ! (she's usually quite smart, otherwise I wouldn't be interested :-p)

(unrelated : bonus points when the 2010 European enduro horse racing champion wants to sleep with you and you were not even trying, though.)


That's why people should try to have physical contact rather than discuss their way into that kind of stuff. It serves 2 purposes:

-First it ease the way to whatever is next. It's arousing and will make a bolder move more acceptable. For example, a massage before a kiss in the neck before a real kiss. Or simply holding hands before the massage. Or for the first step, proposing games or gently touching arms and sides.

-Second it acts as a test. If she withdraw hands or decline every physical game or activity, it's a big sign of things not working yet (or ever). Unless you have an explicit refuse, maybe it's only nervousness and you can try to double check. Either way it sends a far more powerful message than any verbal hint you can think of and is in my opinion simply the way to go.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-28 19:05:50
December 28 2013 19:04 GMT
#7234
On December 29 2013 04:00 rezoacken wrote:
That's why people should try to have physical contact rather than discuss their way into that kind of stuff. It serves 2 purposes:

-First it ease the way to whatever is next. It's arousing and will make a bolder move more acceptable. For example, a massage before a kiss in the neck before a real kiss. Or simply holding hands before the massage.

-Second it acts as a test. If she withdraw hands or decline every physical game or activity, it's a big sign of things not working yet (or ever). Unless you have an explicit refuse, maybe it's only nervousness and you can try to double check. Either way it sends a far more powerful message than any verbal hint you can think of and is in my opinion simply the way to go.


Agreed, but if you go this way I need to be more specific :
I'm currently on an army base in the UAE. That means we're barely alone (rooms of 2, and always a lot of colleagues in the surroundings), and the few times I can be with her alone outside, the country rules mean risking jail for being a bit too close to each other in public. (yeah, even holding hands)
Hence the talking-only.

Getting a bit physical is fine and all at home on a couch or in a western cinema/bar etc, just, not here in my case.
NoiR
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
December 28 2013 19:10 GMT
#7235
Ok. I can see how this would make the situation a lot more difficult. So on that side I'd obviously avoid doing anything risking jail time. However, you can still go with the very minor stuff at the base even if you're not alone. Forget about massage and neck kissing but as I edited my post I think just the little ones are okay:
Or for the first step, proposing games or gently touching arms and sides.
. Obviously not some awkward 10s touch but just... being more touchy. Unless base rules even go as far as forbidding that.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
December 28 2013 19:20 GMT
#7236
On December 29 2013 04:10 rezoacken wrote:
Ok. I can see how this would make the situation a lot more difficult. So on that side I'd obviously avoid doing anything risking jail time. However, you can still go with the very minor stuff at the base even if you're not alone. Forget about massage and neck kissing but as I edited my post I think just the little ones are okay:
Show nested quote +
Or for the first step, proposing games or gently touching arms and sides.
. Obviously not some awkward 10s touch but just... being more touchy. Unless base rules even go as far as forbidding that.

I'm 30. She's 28. Games, lol ^^

Nah don't worry, we'll see to that eventually xD It's just wishful thinking, I'm not really expecting anything, what happens or not, will happen (or not). I was just thinking the situation was delightfully funny and wanted to share, I'm not really looking for help, thank you though XD
NoiR
MightyBill
Profile Joined October 2013
93 Posts
December 29 2013 21:19 GMT
#7237
Physical does not matter per se. It's about experiencing an arousing sensation or emotion. Rational speech is very hard to induce an emotional sensation while physical touch is a lot clearer. A lot of people are scared of feeling intense emotions while talking with someone, and thus take the safe route. The safe route might feel smart and filled with innuendo, but most of the time the girl will not notice your locked away intent, and this be surprised when you do suddenly declare your love for her.

So don't give hidden hints, give the big ones without shame but with a lot of honesty. Telling her you find her very gorgeous and sweet and kind, and that you want to go on a date with her and hold her hands and maybe kiss her if you enjoyed the date, that stuff works pretty well for me. (Because I mean everything I say when giving compliments)
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
December 30 2013 18:18 GMT
#7238
On December 29 2013 01:32 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2013 19:31 Mikau wrote:
While we're discussing the lack of drive towards sex and self improvement. Do you people think masturbating too much contributes in some way? I fap like crazy normally, as in multiple times per day every day. I've tried the no fap thing a couple of times before, but I usually caved before or around the first week, thinking it's just cruel and unusual punishment . Maybe something worth looking into (again)?

Yes, hugely. Now I don't recommend it as some form of self-improvement or because fapping is evil and omg addictions omg (that whole nofap stuff is kind of... out of hand) but being like "I'll get my satisfaction from sex instead of fapping" should be a slight motivation to go out and chase some. Just do it.

Show nested quote +
And speaking of self improvement and trying and getting yourself out there:
How much of a douche would I be if I ask a girl out that's been flirting with me a lot (I'm pretty sure she's into me, but I've been wrong before) that I'm not thát interested in? Granted I don't really know her (she's a cashier at a local super market). I mean she's cute and all, but she doesn't get my heart racing. It seems like a dick move to ask her out basically as an ego boost or 'just to get myself out there'.

Do you want to improve your social life and how you work with people in general? Go for it. Talk to bus drivers, grandmas at the bus stop and ask that grumpy clerk if he/she had a bad day. Take up every single opportunity to communicate more than usual and if there aren't any try out ways to make them happen.

For the specific case: flirting, asking people out or even just talking to them with the intention of sex is all completely fine as long as you're honest about it when they are trying to figure out what's going on. It literally boils down to do whatever the hell you want as long as the other person consents to it.


Out of hand hehe i see what you did there
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Chompy
Profile Joined October 2013
France4 Posts
December 30 2013 21:28 GMT
#7239
Hey guys,
I'm with a girl for more than 8 months, I'm actually madly in love with her which leads me to feeling freaking insecure all the time and it hurts me a lot, I often feel like shit because of this...
The thing is that I can't believe she really loves me for several reasons :
I truly believe she is lesbian, she was in love with one of her friend until last year, but they never had a real relationship besides sex (this is what my girlfriend told me). Which leads me to the fact that my girlfriend texts all the time with her friend, really all the time !! It drives me mad I don't know what I should feel or do about that..
Also there always is a fucking guy wanting her, and she rarely says straight up that she has a boyfriend.
Finally my last relationship ended pretty strangely, I was with a girl for 1,5 year, we met in high school and she loved me madly (to the point that she often annoyed me) and she broke with me without me seeing anything coming, I was hugely upset...
So what do you think ? I would like to feel better because in fact I'm dating the girl I love but I often feel pretty bad..
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
December 30 2013 21:44 GMT
#7240
If she's been dating you for 8 months then she likes you. It's pretty much just that simple.
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