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Velr
Switzerland10711 Posts
Putting an innocent person on death penalty is murder. Now i'm against the death penalty in general but if your absolutely, 100% sure, i see how you can argue for it... If there is doubt you just can't whiteout making yourself look bad, really, really bad. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On September 22 2011 23:47 LEGIONzomg wrote: Killing for any other reason then Self Defense is a STUPID Reason... Killing is against the Law you do realize this right? Killing for a stupid Reason is AGAINST THE LAW. Was the guy doing it in self defense? No? It's Illegal. Plenty of studies show that one who gets "Rehabilitated" goes back into the world and recommits the crime whatever it may be. When you're working with numbers you go with the MAJORITY not the OMG BUT SOME PEOPLE DONT?! that's not how anything works in the world.. The fact of the matter is once convicted in 19 years if you cant come up with a credible reason why you are innocent then you 1) either did it or 2) Life hates you. All of you that claim this to be because he's black make me Lul at your credibility. Wanna stop Racism? Stop claiming everything to be Racist. Easy as that. Until you people stop claim racism every time you turn around it will never change. Don't be hypocritical and claim racism because the persons black when you're claiming EVERYONE else to be racist and judging us because we're another Race. You're all Ignorant and that annoys me. ..So you proved our point? That killing is wrong no matter what? The world should push towards being able to adequately rehabilitate murderers or punish them in a way that does not cause more deaths. | ||
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LEGIONzomg
United States29 Posts
On September 22 2011 23:09 Doppelganger wrote: And I think that it should be irrelevant what you feel about it. Furthermore, almost every person can be pushed to the brink by the circumstances and can turn into a murderer. You have nothing to base your feeling upon. There are serial killers and some killers/rapists that are bat shit crazy beyond help. That does however not mean that everyone is beyond help. Anyway in either case: a life long prison sentence should do the trick. Whether you like it or not I'm not paying for someone convicted of murderer to get a free ride through life. If you're willing to pay my portion of the taxes then I'll vote your way but that's only if you're ok with explaining your point of view to murder victims relatives. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
 Makes me very sad to see the american state killing it's own people, behaving like countries such as China, North Korea and Iran. USA is really lagging behind the rest of the western world in this regard IMO. I'm very happy EU has made abolition of death penalty a neccesity in order to join.  | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
There should have been a re-trial or at the very least reduced to a life sentence. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10711 Posts
On September 22 2011 23:50 LEGIONzomg wrote: Whether you like it or not I'm not paying for someone convicted of murderer to get a free ride through life. If you're willing to pay my portion of the taxes then I'll vote your way but that's only if you're ok with explaining your point of view to murder victims relatives. And you explain the same to the relatives of the unjustly convicted murderer that just got killed by your justice system... | ||
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JamesJohansen
United States213 Posts
On September 22 2011 23:50 Odal wrote: ..So you proved our point? That killing is wrong no matter what? The world should push towards being able to adequately rehabilitate murderers or punish them in a way that does not cause more deaths. He never said that killing is wrong no matter what. His point was that on an individual level, its wrong to kill another human being for any other reason than self defense. Rehabilitation treats committing crime like its some sort of mental disorder that can be fixed, and afterwards the criminal can go live a "normal" life. Some criminals have mental disorders which act as factors, but if you believe in free will, do you not see a problem with this ideal? | ||
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storm8ring3r
Germany227 Posts
rehabilitation is a myth | ||
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LEGIONzomg
United States29 Posts
On September 22 2011 23:50 Odal wrote: ..So you proved our point? That killing is wrong no matter what? The world should push towards being able to adequately rehabilitate murderers or punish them in a way that does not cause more deaths. No your point is not proven... You're apparently reading what you want but that's cool I can't help that. A Murderer should be killed for MANY Reasons. This is stuff you will not understand until you either know someone that was murdered close to you or you realize the Statistics of the topic. You do realize to keep a Murderer in Prison for a Life Sentence in some states is $130 a day per Life inmate. So you understand this I'll spell it out.. That's a $16.25 per hour 9-5 Job. That's double Minimum Wage+. Lets say the person convicted is 50 yrs old and lives to 85. That's $1,660,750 for that ONE person to live it out. In the states of $130 per day the Lethal Injection is $8,866 per Person. The Lethal Injection is supposed to be the MOST Humane form of Capital Punishment. So if you wanna go on Humane or Inhumane would you rather get a Lethal Injection or sit in a Cell for 35 Yrs and hope you don't get Raped/Murdered. I'd choose Injection. I'd rather Kill one Person that Killed Two then Risk the chances(btw that show adequate evidence on rehabilitated Convicts end up COMMITTING the SAME Crime Over again) of them getting out and Killing Several more. Makes sense to me. I don't see how you think otherwise. | ||
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SpiffD
Denmark1264 Posts
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
On September 22 2011 23:47 LEGIONzomg wrote: Killing for any other reason then Self Defense is a STUPID Reason... Killing is against the Law you do realize this right? Killing for a stupid Reason is AGAINST THE LAW. Was the guy doing it in self defense? No? It's Illegal. Plenty of studies show that one who gets "Rehabilitated" goes back into the world and recommits the crime whatever it may be. When you're working with numbers you go with the MAJORITY not the OMG BUT SOME PEOPLE DONT?! that's not how anything works in the world.. The fact of the matter is once convicted in 19 years if you cant come up with a credible reason why you are innocent then you 1) either did it or 2) Life hates you. All of you that claim this to be because he's black make me Lul at your credibility. Wanna stop Racism? Stop claiming everything to be Racist. Easy as that. Until you people stop claim racism every time you turn around it will never change. Don't be hypocritical and claim racism because the persons black when you're claiming EVERYONE else to be racist and judging us because we're another Race. You're all Ignorant and that annoys me. I like how you base your entire ideology on this issue on a faulty fact. Look at Norway, most liberal view on jailtime and is the most focused on rehabilitating in the world and guess what, they also have the lowest rates of crime and rates of people re-entering old habits after being released. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
That's how the system works, like it or not. | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
On September 22 2011 23:53 Velr wrote: And you explain the same to the relatives of the unjustly convicted murderer that just got killed by your justice system... Maybe we should kill everyone in the world? This would be the cheapest, there would be no costs! Never again would there be any costs! I swear, I can't take people seriously who use the argument of "cost efficency" when the topic is human life. | ||
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LEGIONzomg
United States29 Posts
On September 22 2011 23:53 Velr wrote: And you explain the same to the relatives of the unjustly convicted murderer that just got killed by your justice system... I would rather Later find out that we made a mistake and explain that then have to explain "Oh hey remember that guy that murdered your Daughter? We let him go and now he's murdered your Son.. Our Bad." | ||
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VirGin
Norway278 Posts
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JamesJohansen
United States213 Posts
Anyone with common sense can tell you that the death penalty (or really any punishment for that matter) should absolutely not be carried out unless it is beyond all reasonable doubt. There are issues where this doesnt happen, but for fucks sake look at all the times the system actually works and things play out this way. What ever happened to Casey Anthony? Remember her? It wasn't beyond all reasonable doubt (And there was a fuckton of circumstantial evidence), and she got off. The system isn't a complete shitshow, it works most of the time but there are flaws just like in everything else in life. | ||
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LEGIONzomg
United States29 Posts
On September 23 2011 00:02 BlackFlag wrote: Maybe we should kill everyone in the world? This would be the cheapest, there would be no costs! Never again would there be any costs! I swear, I can't take people seriously who use the argument of "cost efficency" when the topic is human life. Believe it or not but a lot of things are ran by Cost Efficiency. Hence why we have Currencies and not "IOU's". If you can't stand people that argue cost efficiency then move to the Woodlands? | ||
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LEGIONzomg
United States29 Posts
On September 23 2011 00:04 JamesJohansen wrote: I'd like to point out once again, that its unfair to harp on the death penalty simply because in rare cases, innocent men and women get punished by the judical system. This is something that needs to be blamed on the courts, the law enforcement, and others involved in prosecution. Anyone with common sense can tell you that the death penalty (or really any punishment for that matter) should absolutely not be carried out unless it is beyond all reasonable doubt. There are issues where this doesnt happen, but for fucks sake look at all the times the system actually works and things play out this way. What ever happened to Casey Anthony? Remember her? It wasn't beyond all reasonable doubt (And there was a fuckton of circumstantial evidence), and she got off. The system isn't a complete shitshow, it works most of the time but there are flaws just like in everything else in life. You can't explain this to people. People don't understand that NO system is 100% Flawless. It's hard to see that when apparently we're all Perfect human beings. You can explain it over and over but everyone always has that "but but if it's a 9/10 and not a 10/10 its flawed BOOO for that 1 time" | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On September 23 2011 00:02 LEGIONzomg wrote: I would rather Later find out that we made a mistake and explain that then have to explain "Oh hey remember that guy that murdered your Daughter? We let him go and now he's murdered your Son.. Our Bad." So you'd rather the blood be on your hands than another person's? That may sound commendable in some strange way, but it's certainly not what I'd prefer. Besides, what are the circumstances of "we let him go?" There are these things called life sentences. If a jury "let's him go," and he was guilty, that has more to do with incompetent police work, lack of evidence, or good old dishonest lawyers working the system, etc. It's also rather known that prison sucks. I'd hardly call it a free ride. It's simply humane not to starve people, murderers or not. If you haven't heard of Ron Williamson or read John Grisham's The Innocent Man, I highly suggest it. That particular book is non fiction and tells the story of a real person who was wrongly convicted of murder and his life was ruined after he was sent to death row. It also shows the horrors of solitary confinement. A picture of the man when he was 47 looked like he was 80 and invalid. I always thought that was a dramatization of books like A Tale of Two Cities, but it's actually possible. The book has the pictures. | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
On September 23 2011 00:08 LEGIONzomg wrote: You can't explain this to people. People don't understand that NO system is 100% Flawless. It's hard to see that when apparently we're all Perfect human beings. You can explain it over and over but everyone always has that "but but if it's a 9/10 and not a 10/10 its flawed BOOO for that 1 time" But we can still try and strive for perfection, which is the opposite of what you´re doing. Once again, look at Norway. | ||
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