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On September 22 2011 20:27 LEGIONzomg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 20:24 Korlinni wrote:
Not all of United States has the death penalty, I live in a state that doesn't have it. The prison system along with many other systems in United States are getting out dated and need to be updated. It may seem just to some people to kill someone who killed someone, but does that just not make us as bad as the person who killed someone? I would guess you pay a lot in taxes for life in prison inmates.. I feel that honestly everyone should get the same for what they do. Rapist should be Raped. Murderers should be killed. I don't think they should be equally Violent like if the person Murdered 4 people we should torture him and keep him alive for an adequate amount of time that would resemble killing him 4 times but I do think that it should be him being put to Death.
A robber should be robber, a fondler should be fondled, a stalker should be stalked.... Great idea!
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On September 22 2011 20:27 CaptainCrush wrote:
I read alot about this guy on CNN while eating breakfast this morning. I think he is guilty as sin. Obviously our legal system does as well since he has ben denied 4 times and it went all the way to the supreme court. Now, as for our legal system, it can be absolutely retarded at times but the evidence here is strong. The only reason that anyone claims it is not is because they are grasping at straws. He shot someone else before the police officer he killed and the shells from both scenes matched in a ballistics report. Hard to refute that.... they are trying to claim that evidence was mishandled due to what bag the shells were in.
I'm not here to argue but I personally think he got what he deserved. And I completely DISAGREE with the OP in saying that it should be noted that he is black. That fact has nothing to do with anything here. If people really want to abolish things like the death penalty, then they have to stop using prejudice and racial differences as a tool in situations where it is truly not a factor.
Did you read the Article linked also? I found the Article itself to be very dry with little facts at all...But I agree with the above =/
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In my opinion, to put it bluntly, if a person has killed someone, and there is conclusive evidence, I think they should be put to death, not housed in a prison where I the tax payer am funding his rent. Yes he may be able to work some of the cost down, but not the entire sum of money.
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On September 22 2011 20:31 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 20:27 LEGIONzomg wrote:On September 22 2011 20:24 Korlinni wrote:
Not all of United States has the death penalty, I live in a state that doesn't have it. The prison system along with many other systems in United States are getting out dated and need to be updated. It may seem just to some people to kill someone who killed someone, but does that just not make us as bad as the person who killed someone? I would guess you pay a lot in taxes for life in prison inmates.. I feel that honestly everyone should get the same for what they do. Rapist should be Raped. Murderers should be killed. I don't think they should be equally Violent like if the person Murdered 4 people we should torture him and keep him alive for an adequate amount of time that would resemble killing him 4 times but I do think that it should be him being put to Death. A robber should be robber, a fondler should be fondled, a stalker should be stalked.... Great idea!
Hells yeah. If I robbed someone and then someone came in and took everything I had I think I'd realize how much that sucked and wouldn't want that again.. As of the two other examples those don't really make sense towards the justice. There will always be one flaw in the system. Pointing them out doesn't do much..
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On September 22 2011 20:36 LEGIONzomg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 20:31 nam nam wrote:On September 22 2011 20:27 LEGIONzomg wrote:On September 22 2011 20:24 Korlinni wrote:
Not all of United States has the death penalty, I live in a state that doesn't have it. The prison system along with many other systems in United States are getting out dated and need to be updated. It may seem just to some people to kill someone who killed someone, but does that just not make us as bad as the person who killed someone? I would guess you pay a lot in taxes for life in prison inmates.. I feel that honestly everyone should get the same for what they do. Rapist should be Raped. Murderers should be killed. I don't think they should be equally Violent like if the person Murdered 4 people we should torture him and keep him alive for an adequate amount of time that would resemble killing him 4 times but I do think that it should be him being put to Death. A robber should be robber, a fondler should be fondled, a stalker should be stalked.... Great idea! Hells yeah. If I robbed someone and then someone came in and took everything I had I think I'd realize how much that sucked and wouldn't want that again.. As of the two other examples those don't really make sense towards the justice. There will always be one flaw in the system. Pointing them out doesn't do much..
And then we´d be in Mesopotamia again, awesome.
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I think death penalty should be for doing something outrageous and where mistakes can be totally ruled out. Killing a cop under shady circumstances doesnt qualify.
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On September 22 2011 20:41 Slakter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 20:36 LEGIONzomg wrote:On September 22 2011 20:31 nam nam wrote:On September 22 2011 20:27 LEGIONzomg wrote:On September 22 2011 20:24 Korlinni wrote:
Not all of United States has the death penalty, I live in a state that doesn't have it. The prison system along with many other systems in United States are getting out dated and need to be updated. It may seem just to some people to kill someone who killed someone, but does that just not make us as bad as the person who killed someone? I would guess you pay a lot in taxes for life in prison inmates.. I feel that honestly everyone should get the same for what they do. Rapist should be Raped. Murderers should be killed. I don't think they should be equally Violent like if the person Murdered 4 people we should torture him and keep him alive for an adequate amount of time that would resemble killing him 4 times but I do think that it should be him being put to Death. A robber should be robber, a fondler should be fondled, a stalker should be stalked.... Great idea! Hells yeah. If I robbed someone and then someone came in and took everything I had I think I'd realize how much that sucked and wouldn't want that again.. As of the two other examples those don't really make sense towards the justice. There will always be one flaw in the system. Pointing them out doesn't do much.. And then we´d be in Mesopotamia again, awesome.
And we'd most likely have less crime.
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On September 22 2011 20:46 Cheerio wrote:
I think death penalty should be for doing something outrageous and where mistakes can be totally ruled out. Killing a cop under shady circumstances doesnt qualify.
Shady doesn't mean innocent. Apparently he had shot someone else and Ballistics matched up with the other bullet from the cop. IF all you read was this article posted by the OP then I can see why it'd be shady...
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I'm glad they stuck to the death penalty. Changing a verdict because of the public would be completely ridiculous.
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I'd rather people who commit first degree murder should be put to death then waste thousands of dollars trying to "rehabilitate" them. In this case scenario, arguing that racism is the cause for death is also insulting.
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On September 22 2011 20:55 PolSC2 wrote:
I'm glad they stuck to the death penalty. Changing a verdict because of the public would be completely ridiculous.
Because killing someone without being 100% sure that he is guilty isn't ridiculous?
Even if you leave aside the moral non-sense that is death penalty, it remains an absurdity for the sole fact that it's not reversible, and justice cannot be 100% fail proof, which implies that any system involving death penalty will end up killing innocent people.
This case is just another unneeded proof that death penalty has nothing to do in a society that is supposed to be civilised...
On September 22 2011 21:00 rapidash88 wrote:
I'd rather people who commit first degree murder should be put to death then waste thousands of dollars trying to "rehabilitate" them. In this case scenario, arguing that racism is the cause for death is also insulting.
Read the thread, keeping the guy in death-row + execution is more expensive than keeping him in prison for life...
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On September 22 2011 10:50 Haemonculus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 10:48 HellRoxYa wrote:
I prefer a system based on rehabilitation rather than vengance. It tends to foster a gentler society, ie. more trust between people, less violence, etc.
As such the death penalty can never be good, and the US system is bad in general as it seems to put high values on vengance. It's less about the death penalty in general, and more that we're likely about to execute an innocent man. It's possible he is guilty, but there was never any physical evidence, and he was convicted based on eye witness accounts, whom I believe have *all* since recanted their testimony.
I'm not sure you understand what he means. Or maybe I don't lol, but I seem to agree with his opinion. It's not a matter of whether he's innocent or not. It's about which purpose death penalty actually serves, and if it's the right way to handle such matters. I'm not a fan of death penalty. As far as I can see most cases of murder are committed by people who have had a rough time growing up etc. and hence it's hard to blame them purely for their lack of understanding of right or wrong etc. Which leads me to what he said with rehabilitation. Is it really fair to execute a man despite of him having committed such crimes, when it can't be blamed 100% entirely on him?
Maybe we treasure a human life higher here or whatever, but I believe that it's up to us to help such people "get better". We pay a craptooon of taxes here in Denmark, but if it's to help such people have a normal life they deserve it despite of what they've done.
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On September 22 2011 21:03 BobMcJohnson wrote:Read the thread, keeping the guy in death-row + execution is more expensive than keeping him in prison for life...
That's a flaw of the execution system in the US, not of execution itself.
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I was mashing on my F5 button for like 4-5 hours straight while watching Troy Davis case get updated on CNN, CBS, BBC, and etc news websites.
I think he's guilty. I would of said he's innocent if it wasn't for the fact that this guy was supposedly seen in TWO different shooting incidents in the same day. Come on son... how you going to say you're innocent when witnesses are saying they saw you shooting at two different time frames. Once, twice, nah there isn't a 3rd time. 
Sucks that he had to wait 4 hours only to find out he's getting executed anyways, but hopefully they find more information about the case that's over 20 years old (Law system fail in my book)
If they DO find information later showing that he was truly innocent... OOPS by US government. That will be hard to live down
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On September 22 2011 11:03 Haemonculus wrote:
Racism might not be the sole cause, but it is worth mentioning. Keep in mind that some counties n Georgia were holding racially segregated proms as late as 2008.
the county didn't host those proms, those proms are organized and hosted by the students. the school doesn't host proms because of poor attendance when they tried to host a prom that all students could attend.
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Bringing the costs of keeping an individual in prison as an argument is rather wrong.
If there's any doubt, be it 99,9% and not 100%, they shouldn't apply death penalty, just because it's irreversible.
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On September 22 2011 20:55 PolSC2 wrote:
I'm glad they stuck to the death penalty. Changing a verdict because of the public would be completely ridiculous.
Are you a fascist, since you obviously dislike democracy and think that "the people" don't know what they want for themselves?
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On September 22 2011 20:31 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 20:27 LEGIONzomg wrote:On September 22 2011 20:24 Korlinni wrote:
Not all of United States has the death penalty, I live in a state that doesn't have it. The prison system along with many other systems in United States are getting out dated and need to be updated. It may seem just to some people to kill someone who killed someone, but does that just not make us as bad as the person who killed someone? I would guess you pay a lot in taxes for life in prison inmates.. I feel that honestly everyone should get the same for what they do. Rapist should be Raped. Murderers should be killed. I don't think they should be equally Violent like if the person Murdered 4 people we should torture him and keep him alive for an adequate amount of time that would resemble killing him 4 times but I do think that it should be him being put to Death. A robber should be robber, a fondler should be fondled, a stalker should be stalked.... Great idea!
Surely he would volunteer to carry out the sentece for rape & murder too. *facepalm*
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If only one innocent person is death sentenced the system falls apart in itsself.
Because... who you kill then for the death of the innocent?
Cause you murdered someone innocent.
The judges?
The jury?
The doc who pressed the buttons?
Tell me who? Or is that colletaral damage serving a higher purpose?
And that even happened more than a few times allready.
Humans with this thinking are only satisfaction their lowest instincts of revenge.
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On September 22 2011 21:03 BobMcJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 20:55 PolSC2 wrote:
I'm glad they stuck to the death penalty. Changing a verdict because of the public would be completely ridiculous. Because killing someone without being 100% sure that he is guilty isn't ridiculous? Even if you leave aside the moral non-sense that is death penalty, it remains an absurdity for the sole fact that it's not reversible, and justice cannot be 100% fail proof, which implies that any system involving death penalty will end up killing innocent people. This case is just another unneeded proof that death penalty has nothing to do in a society that is supposed to be civilised... Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 21:00 rapidash88 wrote:
I'd rather people who commit first degree murder should be put to death then waste thousands of dollars trying to "rehabilitate" them. In this case scenario, arguing that racism is the cause for death is also insulting. Read the thread, keeping the guy in death-row + execution is more expensive than keeping him in prison for life...
EVERY Society has had a from of a Death Penalty and have remained to be called Civilized. Murder is not Civilized so the removal of someone from a society because of not being Civilized makes the society seem more Civil. They Convicted the man because they were 100% sure that he did it. He must then prove himself innocent after proven guilty and that also must be 100% sure for his sentence to get turned around.
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