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decafchicken
United States20154 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On April 30 2005 10:57 SoLsiTO wrote: Let me make my position clear, I do not necessarily agree with the protestors. I think there are a lot better things they could be doing/protesting and actually be somewhat productive when doing them. However, the police crossed a line that did not need to be crossed, the protestors in this case were entirely peaceful. About the other protest you mentioned, I believe in that case the protesters were at fault. They should not have kicked the Marines out of the job fair, if there are people who are interested in joining the marines they should be allowed to do so, the protesters in that case were entirely antiproductive to their cause and beliefs and were entirely stupid (they were following a precedence set by other schools, and kicked them out under the pretense of the military not being an equal opportunity employer). You COMPLETELY miss the point. The people weren't supposed to be there. They were probably told to move. They didn't move. The cops start tearing their shit down. The people form a chain, and refuse to move. The cops can't move them unless they are unconscious, because a human is incredibly difficult to move when their muscles are clinched up. They apply a sleeper grab to them, which is not incredibly painful (Yes, I've had it done to me). It's also released once consciousness is taken from said person. It wasn't brutality, it was them doing their job, and getting the dipshits off the grounds they weren't allowed on. Brutality would have been beating the shit out of them with their knightsticks, because they wouldn't move. Here is a link to videos of what happened. I personally could not watch the entirety of most of the videos and they are certainly not for the faint hearted: Videos of The Police Brutality You pussy. There's nothing even the faintest of heart couldn't handle. | ||
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ihatett
United States2289 Posts
On April 30 2005 19:16 Clutch3 wrote: I am surprised how many people on here are taking the side of people applying choke-holds over people peacefully demonstrating for affordable education. Sure, what the police did was legal, but that's true of pretty much any police breaking up any protest over the course of history, and I would imagine that even the most hardcore authoritarians (Excal) would have to agree that some of those protests were just and led to a betterment of the human condition. Also, if your argument FOR the actions of the police in any way rests on the fact that the people getting choked were annoying, whiny, hippies, etc., then you lose immediately. Go directly to jail, do NOT collect $200. If police are allowed to use arguments like that while doing their job, we all lose. non-liberal does not mean authoritarian, buddy | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On April 30 2005 19:16 Clutch3 wrote: I am surprised how many people on here are taking the side of people applying choke-holds over people peacefully demonstrating for affordable education. Sure, what the police did was legal, but that's true of pretty much any police breaking up any protest over the course of history, and I would imagine that even the most hardcore authoritarians (Excal) would have to agree that some of those protests were just and led to a betterment of the human condition. Also, if your argument FOR the actions of the police in any way rests on the fact that the people getting choked were annoying, whiny, hippies, etc., then you lose immediately. Go directly to jail, do NOT collect $200. If police are allowed to use arguments like that while doing their job, we all lose. BRING IT ALL DOWN, MAN! FIGHT THE POWER! | ||
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Sp2Hydradized
United States60 Posts
What I don't understand though is how the campus administration can arbitrarily set up a known and common grounds with a curfew. This tactic could be used to legally disrupt and end any peaceful and worthwhile demonstration. Also, I read a few outside news articles and it said that the police broke up the protest in part due to noise. And if you've ever been to UCSC you'll also find this strange, because it's in the middle of buttfuck nowhere. There is no way in hell they were disturbing anybody. My primary complaint is that this was a really worthy protest (I explained a little about this on the last page), seemed peaceful, and did not need to be disrupted. Alot of people here are talking about how these hippies were on property they shouldn't have been on. Well, it is after all property they are paying 20-35 thousand dollars a year for, and the administrative argument was that they were staying there after their arbitrary designated curfew, 8 p.m. I don't think it is acceptable for an organization that is sapping thousands of dollars every year, to stop a protest in favor of reducing tuition money by setting up an arbitrarily early curfew and force the policemen to use arguably violent measures to move them. If tax/tuition paying students can't voice their opinions about their financial standing on campus where the people in charge can see it, where can they go? Form a human chain along the interstate? The cops did their job, but the people in charge did not. Because of this the violence was totally uncalled for. | ||
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ihatett
United States2289 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On April 30 2005 18:31 ihatett wrote: If you have seen the video you wouldn't be arguing against this. The guy is huge... it's hard to explain, but you have to watch it. I'm not saying what the cops did was great, but it isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Not to mention the fucker was on PCP. Guys have been smacked in the head with bats and turned around and kicked the shit out of the guy while on PCP. People have walked right through big doors, and walls while on PCP. The guy was not going to go down peacefully. Also to whoever was talking about how they don't understand how the university can apply a curfew to certain grounds: it's their property. They can apply whatever curfew they want to it. It's like putting up a sign saying, "no solicitors," or "no trespassing." It's your property, you have the right to not allow people on at all, or during certain times. | ||
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SoLsiTO
United States573 Posts
On April 30 2005 19:29 SickofLife wrote: You COMPLETELY miss the point. The people weren't supposed to be there. They were probably told to move. They didn't move. The cops start tearing their shit down. The people form a chain, and refuse to move. The cops can't move them unless they are unconscious, because a human is incredibly difficult to move when their muscles are clinched up. They apply a sleeper grab to them, which is not incredibly painful (Yes, I've had it done to me). It's also released once consciousness is taken from said person. It wasn't brutality, it was them doing their job, and getting the dipshits off the grounds they weren't allowed on. Brutality would have been beating the shit out of them with their knightsticks, because they wouldn't move. I believe I have reiterated the point that they were not suppose to be there numerous times, but the actions of the police were unnecessary. Even the university, which called the police, and share just as much if not more blame than the police, have said that they crossed the line... I really do not see how the actions of the police can be justified, as I said before there have been protests there before, past the curfew time, in which the police were not involved at all. You pussy. There's nothing even the faintest of heart couldn't handle. wow, isn't your dick big. | ||
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Sp2Hydradized
United States60 Posts
On April 30 2005 19:47 ihatett wrote: If the contract the hippies signed when enrolling says they will follow the rules, then you can't come in and say "I don't think they should". I don't know what to say to this other than that you might feel differently if you were subjected to these very high tuitions and you and your parents were just average Americans. I believe average American Joe not making 120 thousand dollars a year and not coming from a crack addicted mother deserves to be able to affordably go to a school they gain admission to in California. I also don't think anywhere in their forms did they sign their name under "I relinquish my right to free speech, even if the school administration finds a way to legally kick me off property my parents broke their backs for 20 years to pay for." | ||
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ihatett
United States2289 Posts
And the topic is misleading... this isn't brutality. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On April 30 2005 19:51 SoLsiTO wrote: I believe I have reiterated the point that they were not suppose to be there numerous times, but the actions of the police were unnecessary. Even the university, which called the police, and share just as much if not more blame than the police, have said that they crossed the line... I really do not see how the actions of the police can be justified, as I said before there have been protests there before, past the curfew time, in which the police were not involved at all. How can their actions be justified? They told them to get the fuck out of there. They didn't, instead, they grouped together, and sat down, forming a human chain. The cops moved them. They couldn't be moved while conscious, so they were knocked unconscious. There was nothing brutal about it, either. I don't know if you've ever had that done to you, but it doesn't hurt. In fact, it's probably the most peaceful, and non-painful way to be knocked out. The cops did what they had to do in order to remove the people. Then the school sniffed lawsuit, and told them to stop. I fail to see what you don't understand. But, I don't have time to argue it with you any longer. I'm off to bed. 'Night. You pussy. There's nothing even the faintest of heart couldn't handle. wow, isn't your dick big.[/QUOTE]Penis size has nothing to do with that not being graphic. It's simply not. There's nothing to be scared of, or bothered by. If you're bothered by it, join the club of the world's biggest pussies. | ||
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Sp2Hydradized
United States60 Posts
On April 30 2005 19:49 SickofLife wrote: Also to whoever was talking about how they don't understand how the university can apply a curfew to certain grounds: it's their property. Yeah, I get how it's legally feasible and how you might see it that way. But we're not talking about my front lawn or anything. These people are paying 20-35 thousand dollars a year for this property. And the curfew wasn't about trespassing, it was a tactical measure to disrupt their protest. I don't think the university -really- cares whether or not kids pitch tents at place called "Tent University" past 8 p.m. It's like if your boss told you to get off his property if you wanted to negotiate your benefits. But this analogy fails because, you AREN't paying him 35 thousand dollars a year. | ||
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Sp2Hydradized
United States60 Posts
On April 30 2005 19:54 ihatett wrote: If people knowingly break the rules, and then see what the cops are doing and still stay, you can't feel sorry for them at all unless you have some other motive. The blame is purely on the students here. And the topic is misleading... this isn't brutality. I feel sorry for them because I know where they're coming from and I know many of them have no other way of telling the administration they can't afford their education. I also stated I don't completely agree this is police brutality, but even if you don't agree with whatever points have been made here, I think it's reasonable to say some attention needs to be brought to the situation. Like I said, I think the cops did exactly what they were told to do, but the administration went too far to disrupt something that was totally harmless and that had a worthy cause. They bent the rules in a way they are totally alleviated of blame to silence tax/tuition paying citizens. I can't say that's fair at all. | ||
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Gryffindor_us
United States5606 Posts
On April 30 2005 19:29 SickofLife wrote: You pussy. There's nothing even the faintest of heart couldn't handle. Grow up, not everyone is completely desensitized. | ||
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SoLsiTO
United States573 Posts
On April 30 2005 19:57 SickofLife wrote: How can their actions be justified? They told them to get the fuck out of there. They didn't, instead, they grouped together, and sat down, forming a human chain. The cops moved them. They couldn't be moved while conscious, so they were knocked unconscious. There was nothing brutal about it, either. I don't know if you've ever had that done to you, but it doesn't hurt. In fact, it's probably the most peaceful, and non-painful way to be knocked out. The cops did what they had to do in order to remove the people. Then the school sniffed lawsuit, and told them to stop. Good, the next time I want to knock someone out peacefully I will simply apply some sort of wrestling move that denies blood to his brain, causing him to pass out. That could never cause any kind of permenant damage could it? By the way, check out A Continuum of Police Use of Force, probably not completely accurate but interesting none the less. Penis size has nothing to do with that not being graphic. It's simply not. There's nothing to be scared of, or bothered by. If you're bothered by it, join the club of the world's biggest pussies. I really do not know how to respond to this, seriously, what the fuck is your problem? I am sorry I am bothered by something that you are not, most likely there is something that bothers you that does not bother me, does that make you a pussy? I was disturbed by it, some other people may be also, it is better to put a warning on it and let them know before they watch it. | ||
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ihatett
United States2289 Posts
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Sp2Hydradized
United States60 Posts
On April 30 2005 20:24 ihatett wrote: Because you think this is a worthy cause, they should be allowed to break private property laws? If the tuition is too high they shouldn't have joined. Like I said, this is a grey area in private property because they are in fact, paying for this properties existence. And of course people can't go roaming wherever they want, but the adminstrations power was abused to keep the paying people from speaking out about how they have to pay way too much. And the tuition was not always so high, as the University of California system is a public system meant to give people not sitting on a million dollar inheritance a good shot at education. Only within the last year or two have tuitions began a steady incline into totally out of reach. If these institutions of affordable (I'm not saying cheap here, I mean literally within the realm of doing everything possible to pay for it) nature no longer exist, people that are qualified but not extremely rich or extremely poor have absolutely no where to turn. They will have to go to Junior colleges, which is by no means terrible, but less than what they deserve because the only reason why they couldn't go to a higher learning facility is because their parents simultaneously make too much to be in an arbitrary bracket, and too little to realistically pay for their kids future. | ||
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ihatett
United States2289 Posts
Like I said, this is a grey area in private property because they are in fact, paying for this properties existence. And of course people can't go roaming wherever they want, but the adminstrations power was abused to keep the paying people from speaking out about how they have to pay way too much. You can't buy something, sign a contract, and then protest it. | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
It is in the interest in both parties to reach some compromise, so a protest is justified to let the administration know how serious they are. | ||
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Sp2Hydradized
United States60 Posts
On April 30 2005 20:45 ihatett wrote: You can't buy something, sign a contract, and then protest it. As stated previously many started their college careers before the price increase. You don't think they have the right to be upset when half way through their education they can no longer finance it's completion? And so, what if, hypothetically, they decide to terminate their contract, leave their classes, friends, belongings-life behind and go elsewhere because they're fed up and can't pay, where do people go to get educated? These are public schools we're talking about. This is as cheap as it gets if you don't count community colleges or Devry. Look, you might not like "hippies" or protestors but lets be serious, you can't really be promoting the inability for the average american to get a decent education because they can't squeeze into a certain tax bracket are you? And if you don't support this, then how can you blame a few hundred people trying to make a stand to say, "No, even though we can't do much yet, we will not stand idlely by and get fucked in the ass, because we DO deserve to have a shot at a decent education." | ||
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