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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28683 Posts
May 01 2005 01:11 GMT
#141
definitely agreed there. 8 o'clock curfew for protesting and free speech zones shocked the hell out of me.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 01 2005 01:23 GMT
#142
Haha yeah, what the fuck is a free speech zone?
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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
May 01 2005 01:24 GMT
#143
On May 01 2005 10:09 Liquid`Drone wrote:
they should rather have done nothing. protesting should always be legal.


I guess there is more than one way to interpret defending the police's actions. In my case, I am trying to defend the police as people, which is who the topic creator seems to be attacking with the expression "Police Brutality". But I can't say that I agree with the university having the right to forcibly remove the protesters, which is what I think you are opposing.
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-05-01 01:42:41
May 01 2005 01:38 GMT
#144
I am trying to defend the police as people


I think everyone respects the police as individuals, it is police behavoir as a matter of policy and procedure that is the problem.

My mother had a friend of for dinner a few years back, who use to be a correctional officer. He told a story about a time when he was visiting a police station(forget where). A rather large woman had been arrested and was being escorted through the station, when she began to get argumentitive and tried to resist. A group of police officers jumped on the situation to get her under control. My mothers friend said it was the most beautiful text book job he had seen so he asked for a video tape of it to review. He went home, poured a glass of bourbon and started watching the tape. He said when he watched the tape it was the most inhumane thing he had seen, so he quit and joined academia(he's now a criminal justice proff). Point being, cops have a job to do, but that doesn't mean there job is right. No one could doubt the necessity of police officers in any society, but that doesn't mean that we should not question the policies in which they operate.

On a side note, people seem to think protesters should just shut up and go home, as if they did not have right to voice an opinion. Not only is the idea that people should not be voicing an opinion damaging to a healthy culture, ignoring the fact that protesters also have a choice to engage in less that peaceful demonstration is nothing short of stupid. In a time where people are using violence to make political statements, we punish those that use peace?
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
May 01 2005 01:39 GMT
#145
On May 01 2005 10:38 TeCh)PsylO wrote:
I think everyone respects the police as individuals.

fuck the poh-leece
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
May 01 2005 01:50 GMT
#146
Im probably the #1 anti-hippy, but wtf...

First of all, "private property" well thats stupid, its not like they are braking into your house, its the fucking university where you are paying lots of money, when you study, and when you have the fucking right to protest.

Contract mmm.... yeah i guess if they put a chimp as a teacher you cant protest, if you dont like leave it... riiiiiiiiight, morons!.

And if the police HAD to distrupt that protest they could easily just fucking use peper spray, they are not dangerous criminals which you have to neutralize them, you just have to scare them, its fucking stupid.

And so are you ppl who claim about private property -_-
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Chibi[OWNS]
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom10597 Posts
May 01 2005 01:51 GMT
#147
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
May 01 2005 01:55 GMT
#148
whew... if thats not peaceful i dont know what peaceful is then... LOL if they were trying to knock me out that way id bite their fingers off lol come on, they were sitting there hahaha, even with girls thats so fucked up.
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baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
May 01 2005 01:57 GMT
#149
BTW also its the stupidiest fucking tactic ever....

Brutalize a protest so it goes to the news and the next day you have 10000 pissed off protestesrs outside of your university.

way to go geniuses lol.
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suffeli *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Finland772 Posts
May 01 2005 02:01 GMT
#150
funny analogy in this thread: if you protest peacefully you're a hippy
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
May 01 2005 02:52 GMT
#151
On May 01 2005 11:01 suffeli wrote:
funny analogy in this thread: if you protest peacefully you're a hippy


Well lots of them are hippy actually, look at them
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Clutch3
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1344 Posts
May 01 2005 09:39 GMT
#152
On May 01 2005 09:54 Bill307 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2005 08:24 Liquid`Drone wrote:
nonviolent protesters should never be subject to violence. ever.


What should the police have done instead? They had to remove the students one way or another.


A lot of people have made this argument. I might have missed something, but why did they have to remove the students one way or another?

And the argument about signing a piece of paper is weak at best. First of all, it's highly unlikely such a piece of paper exists. I've been a student of five universities and never signed anything like it. Even if I had, can you imagine how legally thorny it would be to try to word a statement in a contract saying you "can't protest"? That clause in the contract could cover everything from me writing a letter to the school newspaper to me wearing a "Rage Against the Machine" t-shirt to me VOTING in a local election. In any case, it's a red herring. It's well known that all restaurants can refuse service to "anyone for any reason" and be within the law... yet if I work at Taco Bell and tell a black guy that "we don't serve niggers" I am definitely on the wrong side of the exchange.

P.S. Thank God for Psylo and Drone coming in, I was starting to get scared for the future of the world.
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
May 01 2005 17:46 GMT
#153
On April 30 2005 19:44 Excalibur_Z wrote:
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On April 30 2005 19:16 Clutch3 wrote:

I am surprised how many people on here are taking the side of people applying choke-holds over people peacefully demonstrating for affordable education.

Sure, what the police did was legal, but that's true of pretty much any police breaking up any protest over the course of history, and I would imagine that even the most hardcore authoritarians (Excal) would have to agree that some of those protests were just and led to a betterment of the human condition.

Also, if your argument FOR the actions of the police in any way rests on the fact that the people getting choked were annoying, whiny, hippies, etc., then you lose immediately. Go directly to jail, do NOT collect $200. If police are allowed to use arguments like that while doing their job, we all lose.



BRING IT ALL DOWN, MAN! FIGHT THE POWER!


Is there anyway this isn't trolling? A response like this to a thought out argument is inexcusable even for a five year old. It is to reading what "Mortal Kombat: Annihilation" is to movies, except with the intent to be stupid and malicious.
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Clutch3
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1344 Posts
May 02 2005 01:35 GMT
#154
On May 02 2005 02:46 Servolisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2005 19:44 Excalibur_Z wrote:
On April 30 2005 19:16 Clutch3 wrote:

I am surprised how many people on here are taking the side of people applying choke-holds over people peacefully demonstrating for affordable education.

Sure, what the police did was legal, but that's true of pretty much any police breaking up any protest over the course of history, and I would imagine that even the most hardcore authoritarians (Excal) would have to agree that some of those protests were just and led to a betterment of the human condition.

Also, if your argument FOR the actions of the police in any way rests on the fact that the people getting choked were annoying, whiny, hippies, etc., then you lose immediately. Go directly to jail, do NOT collect $200. If police are allowed to use arguments like that while doing their job, we all lose.



BRING IT ALL DOWN, MAN! FIGHT THE POWER!


Is there anyway this isn't trolling? A response like this to a thought out argument is inexcusable even for a five year old. It is to reading what "Mortal Kombat: Annihilation" is to movies, except with the intent to be stupid and malicious.


That's ok... I am used to it. Without Excal who would I have to provide fodder for arguments?
Feuerbach
Profile Joined May 2005
Germany95 Posts
May 02 2005 01:38 GMT
#155
where is your freedom now, Americans?
A man thinks differently in a palace and in a hut. -- Ludwig Feuerbach
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
May 02 2005 14:39 GMT
#156
On May 02 2005 10:38 Feuerbach wrote:
where is your freedom now, Americans?

Feuerbach Out




No seriously, get out dumbass
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10541 Posts
May 02 2005 14:41 GMT
#157
On May 02 2005 10:38 Feuerbach wrote:
where is your freedom now, Americans?


i dont know, why dont we kill the jews to find out? :D
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Feuerbach
Profile Joined May 2005
Germany95 Posts
May 02 2005 15:33 GMT
#158
all Americans seem to know about Germany is hitler. how would you feel if all we knew about America was Georj W.??? not to insult hitler or anything.
A man thinks differently in a palace and in a hut. -- Ludwig Feuerbach
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