Occupy Wall Street - Page 25

On October 02 2011 19:20 Grumbels wrote:
But it is divine revelation. When God dictated the US constitution to the mythical founding fathers, he explicitly said: "and thou shalt adopt a capitalist system, and it shall be good".

On October 02 2011 19:27 BlackFlag wrote:
I think this is a good thing, it will achieve nothing, but it will build consciusness about problems within the USA which is the first step.

Every human society, at every time throughout history, has thought that it was in possession of the ultimate system for organizing economic activity. It's just part of human nature, to treat temporary convenience as eternal truth. While capitalism has been the most powerful force in history for increasing standards of living over the last few centuries, it is complete and utter foolishness to pretend it's some sort of divine revelation. What is so hard about admitting that it's not perfect?

On October 02 2011 19:36 wonderwall wrote:



If you would like to make a claim about something (Capitalism is not a good economic system) it is customary to have evidence to support your claim. You've said that no economic system is perfect which doesn't disprove anything about capitalism specifically. If you want to be taken seriously focus on specific points instead of sweeping generalizations.

On October 02 2011 19:13 Expurgate wrote:
The problem is not that capitalism, as a system, is fundamentally bad or evil...

On October 02 2011 17:22 ParasitJonte wrote:
But it's easy to point the finger on Wall Street bad guys and incompetent & corrupt politicians. The truth is that if you want to stand face to face with someone who shares equal part of the blame, all you have to do is look in the mirror.

After all, you voted these politicians power and you supported the system. You didn't complain when you were allowed to purchase a house even though you clearly couldn't afford it. You didn't think of the risk of interest rates rising. You didn't consider whether the market may be terribly overvalued. You didn't critique your friends purchases either. The truth is, you were happy as long as prices kept going up. Above all, you didn't feel bad when you couldn't make your payments and laughed as you left the house and the unpaid mortgage with the bank. The bank on it's part didn't care as the mortgage had already been bought by Fanny Mae. But in the end of course, these bad decisions eventually found their way back to the initial bad decision makers; the people who bought the houses.

That's why these sorts of protests are a joke. The people protesting are as guilty as the ones they are protesting against.

On October 02 2011 19:34 DannyJ wrote:


We need baked out people with nothing better to show us people on wall street are greedy? Nothing they are protesting is some sort of secret.

On October 02 2011 19:42 Casta wrote:
Since when was it a crime to be rich or work on wall street?

Just because you are a succesful, a lot of people will think you are conspiring against them because you were able to obtain what they were not, that is just childish...

Rich people contribute a lot to the society through tax, they don't need to be punished for that.

Some cases reveals crooked politicians or corrupt powerfull corporation leaders, but they are blown up so much by the media that people start to generalize. They need to be punished of course but within the boundaries of the law.

I think it is healthy with a demonstration once in a while to get some focus on the issues especially in this tough financial situation, but all that talk about conspiracies and leaders behaving like selfish bogeymen is pretty ridiculous.

On October 02 2011 19:45 KiaL.Kiwi wrote:

There is some general truth in your statement, but I think blaming the average citizen for what happenend is quite unfair, especially considering that (mass) media failed (and fails) to inform in any sufficient way about the upheaving problems.
At least over here media were singing doxologies on the deregulation of the finance market, on the booming financial industry and assuring the usual citizen to take part in the whole roulette instead of critically questioning the empty phrases thrown at them by press relation officiers of the finance industry and polititians.

Markets/economy are much too complicated systems to easily form a decent understanding of how they work: Bankers, politicians, investors, people who are supposed to understand it (or at least have advisers who do) failed to recognize what was going to happen, it shouldn't be too suprising that the wall-markt cashier next door was completly blind to the situation and just happy to have an opportunity purchase his own little house.

You can't expect the average joe to make a bachelor in economics before he allows himself to buy a house.

On October 02 2011 17:13 OsoVega wrote:
https://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

I don't know if this is actually official or represents the people protesting but it's hilarious either way.

On October 03 2011 00:22 BioNova wrote:
1913 to Present... This has been a long time coming. End the Fed

If i had a whole month, i probably couldn't ballpark a figure high enough to show just what the money printing alone has cost us in just the interest when it was printed, without touching on currency devaluation and bubbles.

On October 02 2011 23:54 -Archangel- wrote:

It is not a crime and that is why they are protesting. Financial market caused this problems and nobody broke a crime for it and nobody was punished by the law.

So I guess you answered your own question.

On October 03 2011 01:41 sermokala wrote:

It makes me really sad that people think all these protests are something different. All of the things that you see happen at every single national political convention every 4 years. Out of any major city the NYPD has delt with the most rioting from a long long history of it. They're just going to keep following basic riot control policy until the protesters finally give up. Days weeks and months don't really mean that much to them each and every one of them gets overtime for it anyway.

wall street companies will probably give them a gift for keeping the peace and preventing damage to important structures.

On October 03 2011 01:41 sermokala wrote:

That list of demands is the biggest troll I've seen yet. Literally every single one is an incoherent mess. "free college education"? "decommission all of Americas nuclear power plants"? "immediate loan forgiveness"(not even just ours they want us to forgive the worlds debt)? He literally propose's ending free trade and imposing tariffs on all imported goods. (sneeks in the end that minimum wage should be $20 an hour that made me laugh out loud) "guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment" "outlaw all credit reporting agencies"?

On October 03 2011 02:23 Nightfall.589 wrote:


Believe it or not, some of those things would actually be helpful. Specifically, free college education, and guaranteed income.

One is a national investment for the future - an educated workforce is something America desperately needs.