On October 02 2011 14:10 Gnial wrote: I just can't reiterate enough how stupid this protest is. Every time I open up a new article I see stupid ass shit.
"About 700 protesters demonstrating against corporate greed, global warming and social inequality, among other grievances.."
Global warming now? *facepalm* They need better focus - targeted protesting. Not this 'catch-all' protest.
And of course, here is the quote from one of the arrested. Is anyone else surprised its a retarded university student trying to get out of paying back her student loans? In the worst financial crisis in decades, if not centuries, no less.
Erin Larkins, a Columbia University graduate student who says she and her boyfriend have significant student loan debt, was among the thousands of protesters on the bridge. She said a friend persuaded her to join the march and she’s glad she did.
“I don’t think we’re asking for much, just to wake up every morning not worrying whether we can pay the rent, or whether our next meal will be rice and beans again,” Ms. Larkins wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press. “No one is expecting immediate change. I think everyone is just hopeful that people will wake up a bit and realize that the more we speak up, the more the people that do have the authority to make changes in this world listen.”
Oh yeah, you're not asking for much...only for the country to adopt a degree of socialism that will not only house everyone for free, but give everyone free gourmet meals for dinner and pay for advanced education (in her case, probably a degree in one of these: http://www.toptenz.net/to-10-useless-college-classes-degrees.php+ Show Spoiler +
Although I have to give more credit to Philosophy degrees than they do... and a little bit more credit to Art History and Golf Management degrees than they do
Oh, and better house her in the neighbourhood she grew up in because perish the thought of moving somewhere she could afford or get a job.
Why should anyone ever have to work, right? Wouldn't it be great if we could do leisure activities or personal development activities (that don't benefit anyone else) all day?
At the very least, for her sake, I'm glad that she's glad. At least she isn't both retarded and miserable.
You either have terrible reading comprehension, or are just an angry person looking for something to hate. No where in that quote does that protester ask for free education, removal of student loans, or gourmet meals.
Very unfocused group of sheep pretty much. Oh god saw a quote on news today saying Corporations arn't people and don't deserve the same rights..... wtf the whole point of a corporation is large amounts of people with shares in a business. I can understand a march against outrageous government spending and corruption because there is quite a bit but really blaming corporations for all our problems?
"Its the corporations man controlling america we need to make some kind of music jam fest to you know bring all the people together and raise awareness. Ok then what? .......What? You know man....bring awareness about the evil corporations destroying everything you know man....a jam fest"
They do need a more focused point it seems. While I do agree that corporations are completely manipulating the U.S. political system, chanting "corporations are bad" instead of protesting against or for specific legislation doesn't seem very effective to me.
Well first the $16 trillion was largely, if not entirely repaid. The Fed usually lends in very short-term durations (24hr, week, month) so any lending they did gets repaid very quickly.
Second, any lending they did that is still outstanding would not be in the public debt figures. Public debt figures is money owed by the government to outside lenders. The Fed is reverse - money owed by outside borrowers to the Fed.
Right now there's about $2 trillion in debt on the Fed's balance sheet. Of that $1 trillion is us treasuries. That $1 trillion in treasuries is either counted as public debt (gross debt) or not (net debt) depending on who you ask.
Now, keep in mind like I've already said that $2 trillion is not owed by the Fed to anybody - rather they owe it to the Fed.
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Public Debt:
Now, currently total US debt is about $14 trillion (gross). This is money owed by the Treasury to people outside the government who gave the government $14 trillion in cash and now have a claim (bond) to get repaid with interest.
This is separate from any Fed issues. The Fed (central bank) and Treasury (US Federal Government) are not the same.
Apparently you missed the crucial word "secret" loans in the article. No, none of the 14 trillion dollars is listed on the Federal Reserve balance sheet. That's what the word secret means. None of it has been repaid, it was immediately thrown down the derivatives black hole of JPMorgan, Barclay's, Societe Generale, and others. And as we see with the ongoing collapse of the Eurozone banks and the Inter-Alpha group, it accomplished absolutely nothing. The reason for the audit in the first place was because Bernanke refused to reveal who was getting loans or for how much, so your conception that the loans have been repaid because they do not appear on the balance sheet of the Fed is hopelessly misinformed. The secrecy of the Federal Reserve and the fact that it has never been audited in 98 years of existence is a legitimate concern of the anti-Fed crowd. If the loans were public knowledge and listed on the balance sheet there would have been no need to audit the Fed in the first place.
No, they would show up on the balance sheet. "Secret" means for example: Fed has a $1M loan on the balance sheet but you do not know who it is made out to... not that it isn't on the balance sheet.
Details about who loans are made out to are traditionally kept secret since the creation of the Fed. The reason for this is simple: if a bank is using the Fed's lending facilities they are in trouble and panicked depositors/investors will cause a bank run.
The reason the Fed has not been audited is because the Fed tries to remain independant of the political process because politicians monitary policy is too important and complicated to be left to politicians and emotional voters.
On October 02 2011 14:25 CajunMan wrote: Very unfocused group of sheep pretty much. Oh god saw a quote on news today saying Corporations arn't people and don't deserve the same rights..... wtf the whole point of a corporation is large amounts of people with shares in a business. I can understand a march against outrageous government spending and corruption because there is quite a bit but really blaming corporations for all our problems?
"Its the corporations man controlling america we need to make some kind of music jam fest to you know bring all the people together and raise awareness. Ok then what? .......What? You know man....bring awareness about the evil corporations destroying everything you know man....a jam fest"
Awareness comes first, support comes first. Demands do nothing if there is no one to back it up.
On October 02 2011 14:25 CajunMan wrote: Very unfocused group of sheep pretty much. Oh god saw a quote on news today saying Corporations arn't people and don't deserve the same rights..... wtf the whole point of a corporation is large amounts of people with shares in a business. I can understand a march against outrageous government spending and corruption because there is quite a bit but really blaming corporations for all our problems?
"Its the corporations man controlling america we need to make some kind of music jam fest to you know bring all the people together and raise awareness. Ok then what? .......What? You know man....bring awareness about the evil corporations destroying everything you know man....a jam fest"
First, "corporations aren't people and don't deserve the same rights" is probably a play on Mitt Romney saying "corporations are people" in response to a question about his opposition to tax increases on the 1%.
Second, no one will take this protest seriously as long as it looks like only college students, hipsters, anarchists, etc. - cf. the Tea Party. When midwesterners join hands, it'll be the moment where the media really jogs with the story. This is slowly starting to happen as the spirit of Occupy Wall Street spreads outward.
The situation seems like vague, directionless rage, which is what bothers me: on one hand, it seems anarchistic or Marxist, so anti-capitalist; on the other hand, it seems Austrian economics and anti-Fed, so extremely pro-capitalist; and yet it also seems just opposed to Wall Street's hijacking of the United States political system, a kind of pragmatist.
But if this occupation can draw attention to the egregious, vulgar power afforded to capital and financiers in the United States, it will be a success beyond anything I would have imagined. That it's drawing attention to this problem at all, however roundabout the way the attention paid arrives to the thought, feels kind of miraculous. If it can spark a meaningful, understanding debate about this problem, it will only do so when Americans who aren't involved suppress or surpass the urge to reflexively turn to cynicism to guard against the need to effect major changes to their country.
On October 02 2011 14:10 Gnial wrote: I just can't reiterate enough how stupid this protest is. Every time I open up a new article I see stupid ass shit.
"About 700 protesters demonstrating against corporate greed, global warming and social inequality, among other grievances.."
Global warming now? *facepalm* They need better focus - targeted protesting. Not this 'catch-all' protest.
And of course, here is the quote from one of the arrested. Is anyone else surprised its a retarded university student trying to get out of paying back her student loans? In the worst financial crisis in decades, if not centuries, no less.
Erin Larkins, a Columbia University graduate student who says she and her boyfriend have significant student loan debt, was among the thousands of protesters on the bridge. She said a friend persuaded her to join the march and she’s glad she did.
“I don’t think we’re asking for much, just to wake up every morning not worrying whether we can pay the rent, or whether our next meal will be rice and beans again,” Ms. Larkins wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press. “No one is expecting immediate change. I think everyone is just hopeful that people will wake up a bit and realize that the more we speak up, the more the people that do have the authority to make changes in this world listen.”
Oh yeah, you're not asking for much...only for the country to adopt a degree of socialism that will not only house everyone for free, but give everyone free gourmet meals for dinner and pay for advanced education (in her case, probably a degree in one of these: http://www.toptenz.net/to-10-useless-college-classes-degrees.php+ Show Spoiler +
Although I have to give more credit to Philosophy degrees than they do... and a little bit more credit to Art History and Golf Management degrees than they do
Oh, and better house her in the neighbourhood she grew up in because perish the thought of moving somewhere she could afford or get a job.
Why should anyone ever have to work, right? Wouldn't it be great if we could do leisure activities or personal development activities (that don't benefit anyone else) all day?
At the very least, for her sake, I'm glad that she's glad. At least she isn't both retarded and miserable.
You either have terrible reading comprehension, or are just an angry person looking for something to hate. No where in that quote does that protester ask for free education, removal of student loans, or gourmet meals.
Or more accurately, you have terrible reading comprehension. She is bitching about having to eat cheap food, and is bitching about her student loans (the result of her education). And somehow she thinks that protesting is the way to go, rather than working harder (working at all?) or creating a job for herself.
She thinks that the loans are somehow unjust and that protesting is the solution, which implies that she thinks that the government should be remedying the problem...otherwise why bring it up when you are being interviewed about your protesting?
Hopefully you can turn your failed criticism into a learning lesson.
Both sides are heavily biased, so it is hard to judge. Here is my line of reasoning.
There are people starving.
Corporations, although having an excess of millions of dollars, decide to dodge taxes through loopholes, and decide not to give their workers raises to pay for the increase of standard of living due to inflation and the economy.
Corporations with all this excess money, could cut their own salaries to give more people jobs.
The CEO's and the upper tier known as the higher class living (barely) on the necessary $400,000.00 or morea year to just barely feed their family need to see what life is really like. (Can't remember who said that, someone could mention)
Granted, not all 99%, as the protesting campaign says, are starving. But I can sure as hell bet that with the 9.1% of people who are unemployed, in addition to the 15-20% more that can barely get by, are in need of an extra job, or an extra few hundred/thousand dollars to help themselves survive and stimulate the economy by buying goods in doing so.
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I don't know. I have no economy degree, but the way I see it is that CEO's are very very rich. They deserve to be, of course, they have done an incredible feat by making a successful company. But, however, they have so much greed as to deprive other Americans of a comfortable lifestyle. These other Americans are not choosing to be poor and get by on rice and raman. These poor Americans need this extra multi million dollar bonus and or raise in salary to help themselves.
CEO's should be more generous and pay taxes. This leads to strain lifted on the middle and lower class, who then have more money to spend on goods. More goods being purchased raises demand, which in turn raises supply, which in turn will reestablish a more successful economy.
It is very difficult to be generous, because money is nice to have, and being able to buy nice things is also nice to have, and having nice things makes you happy, and being happy is very important. There is a line though, and I think the majority of people, not the protesters, believe that corporate America has crossed it.
Erin Larkins, a Columbia University graduate student who says she and her boyfriend have significant student loan debt, was among the thousands of protesters on the bridge. She said a friend persuaded her to join the march and she’s glad she did.
“I don’t think we’re asking for much, just to wake up every morning not worrying whether we can pay the rent, or whether our next meal will be rice and beans again,” Ms. Larkins wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press. “No one is expecting immediate change. I think everyone is just hopeful that people will wake up a bit and realize that the more we speak up, the more the people that do have the authority to make changes in this world listen.”
Oh yeah, you're not asking for much...only for the country to adopt a degree of socialism that will not only house everyone for free, but give everyone free gourmet meals for dinner and pay for advanced education (in her case, probably a degree in one of these: http://www.toptenz.net/to-10-useless-college-classes-degrees.php+ Show Spoiler +
Although I have to give more credit to Philosophy degrees than they do... and a little bit more credit to Art History and Golf Management degrees than they do
Oh, and better house her in the neighbourhood she grew up in because perish the thought of moving somewhere she could afford or get a job.
On October 02 2011 15:22 Gnial wrote: Or more accurately, you have terrible reading comprehension. She is bitching about having to eat cheap food, and is bitching about her student loans (the result of her education). And somehow she thinks that protesting is the way to go, rather than working harder (working at all?) or creating a job for herself.
So, you literally lambasted a Columbia University grad for taking one of the useless degrees on a list wherein none of the degrees that are listed are offered at Columbia University except ostensibly the ones you feel are not as useless and for her demands that you strawman'd that she did not actually make. Then, you accused someone else of terrible reading comprehension.
Telling people you don't know that whatever their problems are only derive from their not having worked hard enough - when the keys to entrepreneurship, like start-up capital, are hopelessly out of reach, and when even minimum-wage jobs are unattainable unless you can prove you've been doing it since high school - is to spew crass, cold, cliched, presumptuous plumes of pig shit.
I don't understand how that video shows anything without more context.
Are they escorting the crowd, or are they trying to clear people out of the way of the protesters so that bystanders don't get hurt (or so the protesters don't get hit by a car), while they call for backup?
The cops have no reason to try to bait 700 people onto a bridge just so they can arrest them...they ultimately have to foot the bill for those arrests...the articles I read said that the protesters made a spontaneous decision to go block the bridge. The police made multiple warnings to them to stay on the sidewalk. They didn't. The cops arrested all those who they believed had heard the multiple warnings. They let thousands of others go because they may not have heard the warnings.
How is a small handful of cops being there evidence of their acceptance and agreement with it?
Erin Larkins, a Columbia University graduate student who says she and her boyfriend have significant student loan debt, was among the thousands of protesters on the bridge. She said a friend persuaded her to join the march and she’s glad she did.
“I don’t think we’re asking for much, just to wake up every morning not worrying whether we can pay the rent, or whether our next meal will be rice and beans again,” Ms. Larkins wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press. “No one is expecting immediate change. I think everyone is just hopeful that people will wake up a bit and realize that the more we speak up, the more the people that do have the authority to make changes in this world listen.”
Oh yeah, you're not asking for much...only for the country to adopt a degree of socialism that will not only house everyone for free, but give everyone free gourmet meals for dinner and pay for advanced education (in her case, probably a degree in one of these: http://www.toptenz.net/to-10-useless-college-classes-degrees.php+ Show Spoiler +
Although I have to give more credit to Philosophy degrees than they do... and a little bit more credit to Art History and Golf Management degrees than they do
Oh, and better house her in the neighbourhood she grew up in because perish the thought of moving somewhere she could afford or get a job.
On October 02 2011 15:22 Gnial wrote: Or more accurately, you have terrible reading comprehension. She is bitching about having to eat cheap food, and is bitching about her student loans (the result of her education). And somehow she thinks that protesting is the way to go, rather than working harder (working at all?) or creating a job for herself.
So, you literally lambasted a Columbia University grad for taking one of the useless degrees on a list wherein none of the degrees that are listed are offered at Columbia University except ostensibly the ones you feel are not as useless and for her demands that you strawman'd that she did not actually make. Then, you accused someone else of terrible reading comprehension.
Telling people you don't know that whatever their problems are only derive from their not having worked hard enough - when the keys to entrepreneurship, like start-up capital, are hopelessly out of reach, and when even minimum-wage jobs are unattainable unless you can prove you've been doing it since high school - is to spew crass, cold, cliched, presumptuous plumes of pig shit.
I wasn't lambasting her for it, I was simply administering a low-blow, snide remark of the type of degree a person like her might decide to take, because I have little-to-no respect for her. She went to a protest because her friend told her to, did a march to block a bridge, and then when interviewed about why she did it started talking about her money troubles...as she takes on another degree...
What the fuck does that have to do with this protest? I think shes an idiot. It seems to be a trend with this protest.
And I disagree about your entrepreneurship claims. If she needs money, she can start making jewellery in her room, or provide a grocery delivery service, or some such thing that has low startup costs. Entrepreneurship can exist without an angel investor offering you $500,000.
On October 02 2011 14:25 CajunMan wrote: Very unfocused group of sheep pretty much. Oh god saw a quote on news today saying Corporations arn't people and don't deserve the same rights..... wtf the whole point of a corporation is large amounts of people with shares in a business. I can understand a march against outrageous government spending and corruption because there is quite a bit but really blaming corporations for all our problems?
"Its the corporations man controlling america we need to make some kind of music jam fest to you know bring all the people together and raise awareness. Ok then what? .......What? You know man....bring awareness about the evil corporations destroying everything you know man....a jam fest"
First, "corporations aren't people and don't deserve the same rights" is probably a play on Mitt Romney saying "corporations are people" in response to a question about his opposition to tax increases on the 1%.
Second, no one will take this protest seriously as long as it looks like only college students, hipsters, anarchists, etc. - cf. the Tea Party. When midwesterners join hands, it'll be the moment where the media really jogs with the story. This is slowly starting to happen as the spirit of Occupy Wall Street spreads outward.
The situation seems like vague, directionless rage, which is what bothers me: on one hand, it seems anarchistic or Marxist, so anti-capitalist; on the other hand, it seems Austrian economics and anti-Fed, so extremely pro-capitalist; and yet it also seems just opposed to Wall Street's hijacking of the United States political system, a kind of pragmatist.
But if this occupation can draw attention to the egregious, vulgar power afforded to capital and financiers in the United States, it will be a success beyond anything I would have imagined. That it's drawing attention to this problem at all, however roundabout the way the attention paid arrives to the thought, feels kind of miraculous. If it can spark a meaningful, understanding debate about this problem, it will only do so when Americans who aren't involved suppress or surpass the urge to reflexively turn to cynicism to guard against the need to effect major changes to their country.
So don't be cynical and dismissive about it.
You just demanded yourself and made your self look rather poorly. If the protesters come from all socio-political views you can't label it, just as you tried to do.
Its obvious its a large group of people who know their country is being imploded, privacy and freedoms destroyed and have gone forward to make their feelings clear.
I do think they need one strong message not to get cointelpro by media or people like you, totally abusing the diversity of the people and still putting labels on it.
But its already cointelpro hijacked as its used to divide and conquer different groups of people. For example if you are so called democrat you will hate on the tea parties because on TV they said its cool. If you are a republican you will hate on democrats because on TV said that's what republicans do. If you are a nerd sitting at home you would hate on people getting politically active because you are thought being politically active is for men in suits. While the one corrupt corporate interest continues to be in power dominating USA politics and influence.
On October 02 2011 14:10 Gnial wrote: I just can't reiterate enough how stupid this protest is. Every time I open up a new article I see stupid ass shit.
"About 700 protesters demonstrating against corporate greed, global warming and social inequality, among other grievances.."
Global warming now? *facepalm* They need better focus - targeted protesting. Not this 'catch-all' protest.
And of course, here is the quote from one of the arrested. Is anyone else surprised its a retarded university student trying to get out of paying back her student loans? In the worst financial crisis in decades, if not centuries, no less.
Erin Larkins, a Columbia University graduate student who says she and her boyfriend have significant student loan debt, was among the thousands of protesters on the bridge. She said a friend persuaded her to join the march and she’s glad she did.
“I don’t think we’re asking for much, just to wake up every morning not worrying whether we can pay the rent, or whether our next meal will be rice and beans again,” Ms. Larkins wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press. “No one is expecting immediate change. I think everyone is just hopeful that people will wake up a bit and realize that the more we speak up, the more the people that do have the authority to make changes in this world listen.”
Oh yeah, you're not asking for much...only for the country to adopt a degree of socialism that will not only house everyone for free, but give everyone free gourmet meals for dinner and pay for advanced education (in her case, probably a degree in one of these: http://www.toptenz.net/to-10-useless-college-classes-degrees.php+ Show Spoiler +
Although I have to give more credit to Philosophy degrees than they do... and a little bit more credit to Art History and Golf Management degrees than they do
Oh, and better house her in the neighbourhood she grew up in because perish the thought of moving somewhere she could afford or get a job.
Why should anyone ever have to work, right? Wouldn't it be great if we could do leisure activities or personal development activities (that don't benefit anyone else) all day?
At the very least, for her sake, I'm glad that she's glad. At least she isn't both retarded and miserable.
You either have terrible reading comprehension, or are just an angry person looking for something to hate. No where in that quote does that protester ask for free education, removal of student loans, or gourmet meals.
Or more accurately, you have terrible reading comprehension. She is bitching about having to eat cheap food, and is bitching about her student loans (the result of her education). And somehow she thinks that protesting is the way to go, rather than working harder (working at all?) or creating a job for herself.
She thinks that the loans are somehow unjust and that protesting is the solution, which implies that she thinks that the government should be remedying the problem...otherwise why bring it up when you are being interviewed about your protesting?
Hopefully you can turn your failed criticism into a learning lesson.
You have firmly planted yourself in category #2. Rage away, I'm not going to try to have a conversation with someone that just wants to be angry. You just read into things what you want to read.
She never said anything about anyone paying for anything. She was complaining about her circumstance, and you somehow interpreted that as asking for a handout, which she didn't do at all.
Have fun raging at nothing, I'm not going to respond to you anymore.
On October 02 2011 15:40 Gnial wrote: If she needs money, she can start making jewellery in her room, or provide a grocery delivery service, or some such thing that has low startup costs.
She would make more money working at McDonald's, and all three together would not give her enough for rent, let alone rice and beans.
On October 02 2011 15:40 Gnial wrote: I wasn't lambasting her for it, I was simply administering a low-blow, snide remark of the type of degree a person like her might decide to take, because I have little-to-no respect for her. She went to a protest because her friend told her to, did a march to block a bridge, and then when interviewed about why she did it started talking about her money troubles...as she takes on another degree...
What the fuck does that have to do with this protest? I think shes an idiot. It seems to be a trend with this protest.
And I disagree about your entrepreneurship claims. If she needs money, she can start making jewellery in her room, or provide a grocery delivery service, or some such thing that has low startup costs. Entrepreneurship can exist without an angel investor offering you $500,000.
So you admit to using a completely baseless ad hominem, and don't see why this is dickish? Why do you think this is an appropriate way to post? You can express disagreement without being so aggressive towards the subject and your fellow TL'ers.
On October 02 2011 15:46 Diablo3 wrote: You just demanded yourself and made your self look rather poorly. If the protesters come from all socio-political views you can't label it, just as you tried to do.
Its obvious its a large group of people who know their country is being imploded, privacy and freedoms destroyed and have gone forward to make their feelings clear.
I do think they need one strong message not to get cointelpro by media or people like you, totally abusing the diversity of the people and still putting labels on it.
But its already cointelpro hijacked as its used to divide and conquer different groups of people. For example if you are so called democrat you will hate on the tea parties because on TV they said its cool. If you are a republican you will hate on democrats because on TV said that's what republicans do. If you are a nerd sitting at home you would hate on people getting politically active because you are thought being politically active is for men in suits. While the one corrupt corporate interest continues to be in power dominating USA politics and influence.
My issue is more that when it comes time to do something, having decided to focus on the issue, the same problem - literally all extremes of the ideological spectrum warring with one another for lack of sense as to what a solution should or would be - will crop up again. Anti-Fed people are posting rabidly in this thread while Marxists and anarchists are obvious in the crowds, and neither of these two people can meet each other that way. That's all.
On October 02 2011 14:10 Gnial wrote: I just can't reiterate enough how stupid this protest is. Every time I open up a new article I see stupid ass shit.
"About 700 protesters demonstrating against corporate greed, global warming and social inequality, among other grievances.."
Global warming now? *facepalm* They need better focus - targeted protesting. Not this 'catch-all' protest.
And of course, here is the quote from one of the arrested. Is anyone else surprised its a retarded university student trying to get out of paying back her student loans? In the worst financial crisis in decades, if not centuries, no less.
Erin Larkins, a Columbia University graduate student who says she and her boyfriend have significant student loan debt, was among the thousands of protesters on the bridge. She said a friend persuaded her to join the march and she’s glad she did.
“I don’t think we’re asking for much, just to wake up every morning not worrying whether we can pay the rent, or whether our next meal will be rice and beans again,” Ms. Larkins wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press. “No one is expecting immediate change. I think everyone is just hopeful that people will wake up a bit and realize that the more we speak up, the more the people that do have the authority to make changes in this world listen.”
Oh yeah, you're not asking for much...only for the country to adopt a degree of socialism that will not only house everyone for free, but give everyone free gourmet meals for dinner and pay for advanced education (in her case, probably a degree in one of these: http://www.toptenz.net/to-10-useless-college-classes-degrees.php+ Show Spoiler +
Although I have to give more credit to Philosophy degrees than they do... and a little bit more credit to Art History and Golf Management degrees than they do
Oh, and better house her in the neighbourhood she grew up in because perish the thought of moving somewhere she could afford or get a job.
Why should anyone ever have to work, right? Wouldn't it be great if we could do leisure activities or personal development activities (that don't benefit anyone else) all day?
At the very least, for her sake, I'm glad that she's glad. At least she isn't both retarded and miserable.
You either have terrible reading comprehension, or are just an angry person looking for something to hate. No where in that quote does that protester ask for free education, removal of student loans, or gourmet meals.
Or more accurately, you have terrible reading comprehension. She is bitching about having to eat cheap food, and is bitching about her student loans (the result of her education). And somehow she thinks that protesting is the way to go, rather than working harder (working at all?) or creating a job for herself.
She thinks that the loans are somehow unjust and that protesting is the solution, which implies that she thinks that the government should be remedying the problem...otherwise why bring it up when you are being interviewed about your protesting?
Hopefully you can turn your failed criticism into a learning lesson.
The insinuation is her inability to pay rent/buy decent food is due to a poor economy caused by wall street. You don't know her employment status, or if unemployed, how hard shes looking for a job to support herself. You make a lot of assumptions, actually.
I don't understand how that video shows anything without more context.
Are they escorting the crowd, or are they trying to clear people out of the way of the protesters so that bystanders don't get hurt (or so the protesters don't get hit by a car), while they call for backup?
The cops have no reason to try to bait 700 people onto a bridge just so they can arrest them...they ultimately have to foot the bill for those arrests...the articles I read said that the protesters made a spontaneous decision to go block the bridge. The police made multiple warnings to them to stay on the sidewalk. They didn't. The cops arrested all those who they believed had heard the multiple warnings. They let thousands of others go because they may not have heard the warnings.
How is a small handful of cops being there evidence of their acceptance and agreement with it?
I just don't see it.
I provided you with context before.
I think that NYTimes article suspiciously updating to put the cops in a better light, that JPMorganChase "randomly" donated $4.6mil to the NYPD, and that video is more than enough circumstantial evidence to call the cops guilty on this one.
Also, in NY a disorderly conduct charge can cost from anywhere between $85-250 for the individual. Multiply by 700 (as that is the charge these people were arrested on.) Profit? I think so. That's one reason for the cops baiting them onto the bridge.
And why the fuck do you trust any sort of mainstream media? I just provided you with an example of why not to...
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.
Don't bother responding to this with yet another strawman, because I won't dignify you with a response.
Erin Larkins, a Columbia University graduate student who says she and her boyfriend have significant student loan debt, was among the thousands of protesters on the bridge. She said a friend persuaded her to join the march and she’s glad she did.
“I don’t think we’re asking for much, just to wake up every morning not worrying whether we can pay the rent, or whether our next meal will be rice and beans again,” Ms. Larkins wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press. “No one is expecting immediate change. I think everyone is just hopeful that people will wake up a bit and realize that the more we speak up, the more the people that do have the authority to make changes in this world listen.”
Oh yeah, you're not asking for much...only for the country to adopt a degree of socialism that will not only house everyone for free, but give everyone free gourmet meals for dinner and pay for advanced education (in her case, probably a degree in one of these: http://www.toptenz.net/to-10-useless-college-classes-degrees.php+ Show Spoiler +
Although I have to give more credit to Philosophy degrees than they do... and a little bit more credit to Art History and Golf Management degrees than they do
Oh, and better house her in the neighbourhood she grew up in because perish the thought of moving somewhere she could afford or get a job.
On October 02 2011 15:22 Gnial wrote: Or more accurately, you have terrible reading comprehension. She is bitching about having to eat cheap food, and is bitching about her student loans (the result of her education). And somehow she thinks that protesting is the way to go, rather than working harder (working at all?) or creating a job for herself.
So, you literally lambasted a Columbia University grad for taking one of the useless degrees on a list wherein none of the degrees that are listed are offered at Columbia University except ostensibly the ones you feel are not as useless and for her demands that you strawman'd that she did not actually make. Then, you accused someone else of terrible reading comprehension.
Telling people you don't know that whatever their problems are only derive from their not having worked hard enough - when the keys to entrepreneurship, like start-up capital, are hopelessly out of reach, and when even minimum-wage jobs are unattainable unless you can prove you've been doing it since high school - is to spew crass, cold, cliched, presumptuous plumes of pig shit.
And I disagree about your entrepreneurship claims. If she needs money, she can start making jewellery in her room, or provide a grocery delivery service, or some such thing that has low startup costs. Entrepreneurship can exist without an angel investor offering you $500,000.
Good luck trying to get that to work on a scale large enough to support rent/car payments/food. Either you have a lot of money and are just ignorant of how bad the economy is right now, or you're just an idiot. Or both. Probably both.
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