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On November 16 2011 07:00 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 06:36 DeepElemBlues wrote:The injunction is meaningless if disobeyed while being contested. If you lose your appeal you get in big trouble, but not following injunctions while they are in dispute is itself a cause many times of spin-off courtroom disputes regarding should they be punished for disregarding the injunction and depending on the issues, usually nothing happens. As it will here. The injunction is politically motivated garbage, the city won't follow it and they won't get in trouble. That's one of the stupidest things I ever heard. What would be the point of injunctions if they could be randomly disregarded? Oh, you have a restraining order against me? Too bad, it's being contested! Outside of your fantasy world, violating an injunction places you in contempt of court. Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 06:36 DeepElemBlues wrote:No one is scared of you. Statements like this just make us laugh. You look like fools when you say that. You remind me of George Bush, "Bring em on." Okay we get it you have tough words. They are devoid of meaning. I'm neither a member nor a supporter of the Occupy movement. I just find it hilarious that you insist that the movement is over as if saying it would make it true. It's quite reminiscent of Gaddafi insisting numerous imes that the rebels have lost.
It's more similar then that citing sanitation as a reason to evict people.
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WHAT THE FUCK.... reading this thread actually make me not regretting going to canada instead of US... wow some of you guys are unbelievable....
no wonder US is where they are today :-/ fucking ignorance and afraid of changes not gona get humankind anywhere...
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On November 16 2011 07:26 NB wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK.... reading this thread actually make me not regretting going to canada instead of US... wow some of you guys are unbelievable....
no wonder US is where they are today :-/ fucking ignorance and afraid of changes not gona get humankind anywhere...
What sucks is I feel that is a minority ruining it for the rest of us.
I think if laws were enforced where every citizen was made to vote then things would be different.
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So they had their day in court and lost
The eviction was legal and proper.
Court case update Article WSJ
Judge Rules Against 'Occupy' Protesters .
By CHAD BRAY, JESSICA FIRGER, ANDREW GROSSMAN and PERVAIZ SHALLWANI A judge ruled against Occupy Wall Street protesters, upholding a move by New York City and the landlord of the privately owned plaza to clear tents from Zuccotti Park and prevent protesters from bringing equipment back in.
Hours after police cleared the last protester from their encampment Tuesday, lawyers for the city and the park's owner Brookfield Office Properties Inc. faced off with Occupy Wall Street representatives inside a courtroom.
Supreme Court Justice Michael Stallman weighed whether to extend a temporary restraining order that bars the city from enforcing park rules against tents and other camping equipment
The original ruling came after police and sanitation workers had already swept all personal belongings from the two-month-old encampment, with more than 200 people arrested in the raid.
The city, which had expected to reopen the park under the new rules Tuesday morning, held off ahead of the judge's decision. A sometimes tense standoff between police and protesters surrounding the park lasted throughout the day.
The early morning incursion marked a dramatic turn in what had become a vexing saga for New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, but it wasn't clear whether the eviction would end the protests or push them into a volatile new phase that is harder for police to control.
The park remained closed throughout the day as hundreds of protesters gathered around the barricaded perimeter awaiting the judge's decision. Dozens of police officers guarded the inside of the park, while the surrounding office buildings only admitted employees.
There is much more in the article that is just a piece.
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It's about time that this is coming to an end. This movement was such a joke.
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Even though I agree with the general idea that America needs to be changed, I do not believe that this is the way to do it. We need to have a much more organized protest (sort of like the Civil Rights Movement) where there is strong unified leader. I'm not sure how to feel about the court decision, I don't know why people are for that...it basically hinders the right for people to protest in a society that is supposed to all "freedom of speech".
EDIT: Didn't know the park was private property. That just makes the protests and overnight stays ridiculous.
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Time to celebrate! It's over, finally I don't have to hear about this bullshit on the news anymore. I hope Bloomberg moves to make it illegal to do this again.
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On November 16 2011 07:26 NB wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK.... reading this thread actually make me not regretting going to canada instead of US... wow some of you guys are unbelievable....
no wonder US is where they are today :-/ fucking ignorance and afraid of changes not gona get humankind anywhere...
Change is not always for the better.
It would be a faulty leap to assume a desire for stability stems from ignorance and fear.
Perhaps you need to look from a different point of view and appreciate that there is already a mechanism in place to make changes. If 51% of the people (or heck even 99%) of the people want a socialist system, they can elect such a government.
Compare this to the Occupy Syria event where the government users tanks and warplanes to discourage the sharing of alternate views.
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On November 16 2011 07:44 mechavoc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 07:26 NB wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK.... reading this thread actually make me not regretting going to canada instead of US... wow some of you guys are unbelievable....
no wonder US is where they are today :-/ fucking ignorance and afraid of changes not gona get humankind anywhere... Change is not always for the better. It would be a faulty leap to assume a desire for stability stems from ignorance and fear. Perhaps you need to look from a different point of view and appreciate that there is already a mechanism in place to make changes. If 51% of the people (or heck even 99%) of the people want a socialist system, they can elect such a government. Compare this to the Occupy Syria event where the government users tanks and warplanes to discourage the sharing of alternate views.
I think you've said it exactly right. If a majority of people want a socialist system (and they obviously don't), they should elect their Socialist party representatives (or whatever other communist party they want), and then if they can get enough representatives to make a serious change, they can demand their representatives to abolish the US constitution and other private property laws that are preventing their Communist utopia.
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I'm starting to get the feeling that Bloomberg is secretly on the side of the protesters. The recent action on the park gives the protest the best possible way to weather winter without disintegrating, in a way that makes authority look incredibly callous to boot.
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On November 16 2011 08:08 acker wrote:
I'm starting to get the feeling that Bloomberg is secretly on the side of the protesters. The recent action on the park gives the protest the best possible way to weather winter without disintegrating, in a way that makes authority look incredibly callous to boot.
Are you kidding? Bloomberg IS the 1%. He's just pandering. Nothing more.
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On November 16 2011 07:41 Housemd wrote:
Even though I agree with the general idea that America needs to be changed, I do not believe that this is the way to do it. We need to have a much more organized protest (sort of like the Civil Rights Movement) where there is strong unified leader. I'm not sure how to feel about the court decision, I don't know why people are for that...it basically hinders the right for people to protest in a society that is supposed to all "freedom of speech".
EDIT: Didn't know the park was private property. That just makes the protests and overnight stays ridiculous.
a strong unified leader would just label it as a political movement which allows news and political parities to divide and conquer, you already seem branding and demonizing of it from sources like fox cable. As far as the 2nd part it really depends who owns the park if it's owned by the 1% it's only fitting.
On November 16 2011 07:37 Noro wrote:
It's about time that this is coming to an end. This movement was such a joke.
you don't seem to know much about human nature.
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On November 16 2011 08:08 acker wrote:
I'm starting to get the feeling that Bloomberg is secretly on the side of the protesters. The recent action on the park gives the protest the best possible way to weather winter without disintegrating, in a way that makes authority look incredibly callous to boot.
people only push back when pushed and peaceful protests don't get news media without the other side pushing pretty hard so yeah it does help, just like occupy cal was boosted when police began jabbing protesters who weren't just students but faculty as well who began to show up after the reports around noon about the beatings.
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On November 16 2011 07:44 mechavoc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 07:26 NB wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK.... reading this thread actually make me not regretting going to canada instead of US... wow some of you guys are unbelievable....
no wonder US is where they are today :-/ fucking ignorance and afraid of changes not gona get humankind anywhere... Change is not always for the better. It would be a faulty leap to assume a desire for stability stems from ignorance and fear. Perhaps you need to look from a different point of view and appreciate that there is already a mechanism in place to make changes. If 51% of the people (or heck even 99%) of the people want a socialist system, they can elect such a government. Compare this to the Occupy Syria event where the government users tanks and warplanes to discourage the sharing of alternate views.
Protesting is part of that system for what it's worth.
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On November 16 2011 08:32 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 07:44 mechavoc wrote:On November 16 2011 07:26 NB wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK.... reading this thread actually make me not regretting going to canada instead of US... wow some of you guys are unbelievable....
no wonder US is where they are today :-/ fucking ignorance and afraid of changes not gona get humankind anywhere... Change is not always for the better. It would be a faulty leap to assume a desire for stability stems from ignorance and fear. Perhaps you need to look from a different point of view and appreciate that there is already a mechanism in place to make changes. If 51% of the people (or heck even 99%) of the people want a socialist system, they can elect such a government. Compare this to the Occupy Syria event where the government users tanks and warplanes to discourage the sharing of alternate views. Protesting is part of that system for what it's worth.
Not revolution though, which is what most of these hipster scum want. Revolution is strictly opposed to our constitution and frankly un-American at that.
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On November 16 2011 08:20 semantics wrote:
people only push back when pushed and peaceful protests don't get news media without the other side pushing pretty hard so yeah it does help, just like occupy cal was boosted when police began jabbing protesters who weren't just students but faculty as well who began to show up after the reports around noon about the beatings.
So on this point you are making it seem like the only goal of the protest is to get attention? Well they have acheived that in spades.
I had thought however the goal of OWS was to make some sort of change, not just to get some cheap media attention.
Again I go back to the posts I made yesterday, I understand the OWS point that there are faults in the current system but I still don't know what improvements they are suggesting.
After all they don't even seem able to make a small camp of people workout let alone a nation of 300 million.
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On November 16 2011 08:32 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 07:44 mechavoc wrote:On November 16 2011 07:26 NB wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK.... reading this thread actually make me not regretting going to canada instead of US... wow some of you guys are unbelievable....
no wonder US is where they are today :-/ fucking ignorance and afraid of changes not gona get humankind anywhere... Change is not always for the better. It would be a faulty leap to assume a desire for stability stems from ignorance and fear. Perhaps you need to look from a different point of view and appreciate that there is already a mechanism in place to make changes. If 51% of the people (or heck even 99%) of the people want a socialist system, they can elect such a government. Compare this to the Occupy Syria event where the government users tanks and warplanes to discourage the sharing of alternate views. Protesting is part of that system for what it's worth.
You are right, but every group needs to follow the rules which includes not camping overnight simple as that.
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On November 16 2011 08:36 dolvlo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:32 Logo wrote:On November 16 2011 07:44 mechavoc wrote:On November 16 2011 07:26 NB wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK.... reading this thread actually make me not regretting going to canada instead of US... wow some of you guys are unbelievable....
no wonder US is where they are today :-/ fucking ignorance and afraid of changes not gona get humankind anywhere... Change is not always for the better. It would be a faulty leap to assume a desire for stability stems from ignorance and fear. Perhaps you need to look from a different point of view and appreciate that there is already a mechanism in place to make changes. If 51% of the people (or heck even 99%) of the people want a socialist system, they can elect such a government. Compare this to the Occupy Syria event where the government users tanks and warplanes to discourage the sharing of alternate views. Protesting is part of that system for what it's worth. Not revolution though, which is what most of these hipster scum want. Revolution is strictly opposed to our constitution and frankly un-American at that.
Opposed to the Constitution, yes...un-American no (although a 'local revolution' against central power is more American than a 'popular revolution' , revolution is what the country was born under and includes the Civil War..as well as what gave us Texas (rebellion from Mexico)) We haven't had as many revolutions as say France in the past 300 years, but un-American not really.
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This thread is so full of brain washed right wing bullshit it's amazing. You shall not protest because "small business and commerce" suffer from it. When a a judge issue an injunction that goes with the protest, then it's a "bullshit injunction" and the judge is just biaised. Yeah who cares if he is representing the law, if he help the protest in any way then he must but a "little OWSer at heart".
But damn, when people are arrested, they just get what they wanted for not "respecting the law".
Another guy wants protests to become illegal, and then say revolutions are "un-american"... So making protests illegal is american ? Give the lady of Liberty to someone else, feel like you are not deserving it anymore.
The shit is not serious. Just say you are okay with the way the wealth is redistributed right now, and move on. Stop polluting the thread.
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For people thinking it was ended just because the camps were busted up...they plan on going back out on the 17th and staying again. The 17th would've been the two month anniversary of the protests so yeah. I really doubt OWS is over now, just the camp sites are gone (for now).
The Egyptians didn't have campsites during their protests. Neither did the Iranians.
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Revolution actually could be considered a Constitutional right depending on your interpretation of the Second Amendment.
And America was founded on Revolution. Saying that Revolution is un-American is pretty silly.
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On November 16 2011 08:43 Krikkitone wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2011 08:36 dolvlo wrote:On November 16 2011 08:32 Logo wrote:On November 16 2011 07:44 mechavoc wrote:On November 16 2011 07:26 NB wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK.... reading this thread actually make me not regretting going to canada instead of US... wow some of you guys are unbelievable....
no wonder US is where they are today :-/ fucking ignorance and afraid of changes not gona get humankind anywhere... Change is not always for the better. It would be a faulty leap to assume a desire for stability stems from ignorance and fear. Perhaps you need to look from a different point of view and appreciate that there is already a mechanism in place to make changes. If 51% of the people (or heck even 99%) of the people want a socialist system, they can elect such a government. Compare this to the Occupy Syria event where the government users tanks and warplanes to discourage the sharing of alternate views. Protesting is part of that system for what it's worth. Not revolution though, which is what most of these hipster scum want. Revolution is strictly opposed to our constitution and frankly un-American at that. Opposed to the Constitution, yes...un-American no (although a 'local revolution' against central power is more American than a 'popular revolution' , revolution is what the country was born under and includes the Civil War..as well as what gave us Texas (rebellion from Mexico)) We haven't had as many revolutions as say France in the past 300 years, but un-American not really.
frankly jefferson's writings point to the constitution to change with the people instead of being a sacrosanct document there are even clauses in our constitution to facilitate that change all but a few parts of it is allowed to be changed. The states can call a constitutional convention in order for those changes and the federal government has to hold it, ofc that takes alot more team work then the US is used to from it's political parties.
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