Zombie Apocalypse - Page 17

On September 18 2011 16:07 dogabutila wrote:
^ Hard to have a good comparison for guys.

For my girlfriend though, I ask her why she needs so many different kinds of shoes. Wouldn't you have more money for makeup, dresses (since you can only wear those once..), or handbags? Red shoes, black shoes, same design just different colors. Others are just weird or barely different from other ones she has. Others are completely different. But of course, they all match with something else or only work for certain occasions. Maybe some of them only work with one outfit. I wouldn't understand she says. I'll take her word for it.

Same thing with guns though. Each has it's own role and use. Might be the same exact gun, but in a different chambering, different uses. Maybe it's a completely different gun, optimized for these situations and not those.




Ask any gunsmith if he would rather have a moss mav 88 or a mossy 500. All of them are going to take the 500.

On September 18 2011 04:04 Roeder wrote:


You seem prepared for this. Do you have food for weeks in your apartment?

On September 18 2011 15:56 NationInArms wrote:


I don't get why you guys get so many different guns for a handful of people. Wouldn't it be better if you got less guns and more ammunition? 5+ guns for a single person seems overkill to me when a person could get 3 guns with more ammunition for the same amount of money.
Nice guns though, seriously.

On September 18 2011 12:09 dogabutila wrote:


The Maverick has a crossbolt safety like the Remington, but in front of the trigger guard yes. When people are referring to shotguns as Mossburgs or Remingtons they are referring to 500 series or 870 series shotguns. Not Mossy Maverick 88's. Mossburg safeties are traditionally located on top of the receiver. If you didn't cheap out on an already cheap shotgun you would know this.

200 yards from a rest with slugs and no wind. Too bad the effective range is far lower. Just because you can ring a gong or make it through paper doesn't make it an effective round at that range. CS and SD means slugs bleed off energy really fast.

And that isn't something you can't do with regular rounds anyways. Reloading is reloading.


Why people shouldn't choose them? They have no significant advantages over a rifle. They have some advantages in terms of firepower over a pistol, but then become limited by mobility issues in real close building combat. Really, there is only a short range where the shotgun could be arguably considered superior to a rifle, and not mobility restricted like a pistol would be in the same ranges. Shotguns don't penetrate body armor. Shotguns do not blow things up like in video games. Shotguns are not significantly more reliable then DI rifles, and not at all more reliable then piston driven systems. Then, shotgun ammo is far less valuable in terms of weight vs volume vs utility then are certain handgun rounds or rifle rounds.

This does not even consider the inherent usage problems with standard shotguns like loading, limited capacities, and ease of use when compared to anything magazine fed.

Rifle rounds don't even start with that much less muzzle energy then shotguns do, and carry the energy far better. They have a far better effective range and have far better inherent accuracy. They have a higher sustained, accurate rate of fire and provide barrier penetration that shotguns do not. They can punch through most body armor and don't have any mobility issues that shotguns do not.
If you are going to carry a longarm, why would you NOT choose something that is easier to use/operate, easier to load, and is all around more effective? The right rifles are actually more reliable and rugged then shotguns.

With all this said if you still believe shotguns to be superior, then why do militaries issue rifles rather then shotguns? It would HAVE to be something specific to zombie fighting which makes shotguns better, but in an apocalypse scenario, rifles become even better then shotguns due to the inherent nature of round effectiveness vs weight and space.


Shotguns over handguns? Maybe, again, there is only a limited range in which shotguns are better then handguns. Zombies any farther then 25 yards don't really have to be engaged, and then pistols are just as easy to operate and far easier to shoot while moving. Neither are going to be of good use against raiders with armor, but pistols can be shot 1 handed. And loaded one handed. CQB use of cover strongly favors handguns over shotguns or rifles.

So, shotguns are really only better then handguns from 25+ yards without use of cover and only has slight advantages over rifles 75 yards and in. Against people trying to kill you, rifles are clearly better choice. Against zombies, shotguns only give you an advantage in range that you aren't going to take advantage of because you'd want to conserve ammo until they get closer and show hostility anyways.

On September 16 2011 17:35 _vladimir_ wrote:
Hours and hours of theorycrafting and preparing on best zombie site on world (yes, zombie squad)
Long term financial plan that can now start going on because i started working, in upgrading my weekend house to a powerfull bastion of protection! With alot of supplies, upper room on adict, and sub ground room, It includes one or two special vehciles and alot of other stuffs, but it will take quite some time and $.

P.S. I like later when im back home from work, most kick ass anti zombie fortress on cliff, looks like old japanese temple, cant find it on internet atm :/

On September 19 2011 01:59 Setev wrote:
Hey, how come nobody thought of defensive gear? Everyone seems to be pretty attack-minded here. Not a good idea when you are out-Zerged 1 million to 1.

On September 19 2011 04:46 ChrisXIV wrote:


You don't watch enough zombie movies. The basic rule is: You get bitten, you are infected, doesn't matter if you wore a kevlar west or a T-shirt. XD

...hm, maybe a full plate armor would work. But that weighs a ton...

On September 19 2011 04:52 Wr3k wrote:


Ever tried biting through kevlar? That is the entire point, to prevent getting bitten.