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pedduck
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Thailand468 Posts
September 13 2011 06:55 GMT
#141
How about we send our prisoner there on a spaceship?
FireS
Profile Joined December 2004
Romania415 Posts
September 13 2011 06:57 GMT
#142
^sounds like a movie plot :D

or how Australia was formed.
back!!
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
September 13 2011 07:02 GMT
#143
On September 13 2011 15:47 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 15:39 Setev wrote:
On September 13 2011 15:32 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
On September 13 2011 07:01 zeMoose wrote:
On September 13 2011 06:12 Canucklehead wrote:
I've always wondered how come every time they search for planets that can support life, they go by the conditions which support life as we know it? Isn't it possible that aliens could live in conditions that humans couldn't? They always look for water, but what if a certain type of alien species don't drink water to live and drank something toxic to humans to live?


It's because carbon is one of the few elements known to naturally produce complex molecules which are required for life and all carbon based life needs water to survive. Silicon is another chemical element that can create molecules large enough to carry biological information, but it doesn't have the ability to form chemical bonds with diverse types of atoms, which permits the chemical versatility necessary for metabolism.

On September 13 2011 06:36 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Well humans are to be rulers of His creation


I sure hope we've grown smart enough to completely discard such silly notions before meeting any intelligent alien races.
Probability of aliens = probability of anything which you can't prove. Tell me how you can prove existence of aliens without reproducible observations / interactions. You can't. So until the moment we find aliens, they don't exist. Same argument is used against any kind of afterlife - just because you don't know what happens after you die, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does and there will be judgement.


What? No proof of aliens = aliens don't exist. No proof of afterlife = there is afterlife, and there will be judgment. (?)

Dude, you are contradicting yourself here.

Don't antagonize me yet, I'm DO believe there is a Creator, but why is it so hard to believe that the Creator also created other life forms? It doesn't diminish our status as sentient creatures. HE loves us just the same.
Interesting that you believe in a creator, rare among Tl-ers.
But yea I see my logical fallacy. Apologies it was an outburst at the apparent faith which so many godless people exhibit towards unsubstantiated, unexperienced things.

Btw - can someone explain to me how the big bang works, the probability of it happening and how amino acids became polymers and became cells, which somehow became DNA that is irreducibly complex.

Yeah no.
Tippecanoe
Profile Joined May 2011
United States342 Posts
September 13 2011 07:08 GMT
#144
With current technology how long would it take to travel 30 light years? 300 ish years?

Anybody know how fast a space shuttle travels?
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
September 13 2011 07:11 GMT
#145
On September 13 2011 15:47 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 15:39 Setev wrote:
On September 13 2011 15:32 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
On September 13 2011 07:01 zeMoose wrote:
On September 13 2011 06:12 Canucklehead wrote:
I've always wondered how come every time they search for planets that can support life, they go by the conditions which support life as we know it? Isn't it possible that aliens could live in conditions that humans couldn't? They always look for water, but what if a certain type of alien species don't drink water to live and drank something toxic to humans to live?


It's because carbon is one of the few elements known to naturally produce complex molecules which are required for life and all carbon based life needs water to survive. Silicon is another chemical element that can create molecules large enough to carry biological information, but it doesn't have the ability to form chemical bonds with diverse types of atoms, which permits the chemical versatility necessary for metabolism.

On September 13 2011 06:36 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Well humans are to be rulers of His creation


I sure hope we've grown smart enough to completely discard such silly notions before meeting any intelligent alien races.
Probability of aliens = probability of anything which you can't prove. Tell me how you can prove existence of aliens without reproducible observations / interactions. You can't. So until the moment we find aliens, they don't exist. Same argument is used against any kind of afterlife - just because you don't know what happens after you die, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does and there will be judgement.


What? No proof of aliens = aliens don't exist. No proof of afterlife = there is afterlife, and there will be judgment. (?)

Dude, you are contradicting yourself here.

Don't antagonize me yet, I'm DO believe there is a Creator, but why is it so hard to believe that the Creator also created other life forms? It doesn't diminish our status as sentient creatures. HE loves us just the same.
Interesting that you believe in a creator, rare among Tl-ers.
But yea I see my logical fallacy. Apologies it was an outburst at the apparent faith which so many godless people exhibit towards unsubstantiated, unexperienced things.

Btw - can someone explain to me how the big bang works, the probability of it happening and how amino acids became polymers and became cells, which somehow became DNA that is irreducibly complex.


A religious person having problems with people believing in unsubstantiated, unexperienced things? That's rich...
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 07:22:22
September 13 2011 07:21 GMT
#146
On September 13 2011 16:08 Tippecanoe wrote:
With current technology how long would it take to travel 30 light years? 300 ish years?

Anybody know how fast a space shuttle travels?

Nasa shuttle travels almost 17500mph so 1 light year would take about 38263 years, 30 light years ... 1147890 years. So little more than 1 million years. methinks
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
September 13 2011 07:25 GMT
#147
On September 13 2011 16:21 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 16:08 Tippecanoe wrote:
With current technology how long would it take to travel 30 light years? 300 ish years?

Anybody know how fast a space shuttle travels?

Nasa shuttle travels almost 17500mph so 1 light year would take about 38263 years, 30 light years ... 1147890 years. So little more than 1 million years. methinks

need warpgate tech
Tippecanoe
Profile Joined May 2011
United States342 Posts
September 13 2011 07:27 GMT
#148
On September 13 2011 16:21 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 16:08 Tippecanoe wrote:
With current technology how long would it take to travel 30 light years? 300 ish years?

Anybody know how fast a space shuttle travels?

Nasa shuttle travels almost 17500mph so 1 light year would take about 38263 years, 30 light years ... 1147890 years. So little more than 1 million years. methinks


Well shit i was close no?

Any scientists here can theorize a way for us to travel fast enough to where it would be relevant to explore one of these planets.

We all know travelling at the speed of light is impossible.
Ciraxis
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia400 Posts
September 13 2011 07:44 GMT
#149
On September 13 2011 15:55 pedduck wrote:
How about we send our prisoner there on a spaceship?


You, sir, have stolen the British handbook on colonisation.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
September 13 2011 07:44 GMT
#150
28 light years... that is way too far.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 13 2011 07:54 GMT
#151
On September 13 2011 16:08 Tippecanoe wrote:
With current technology how long would it take to travel 30 light years? 300 ish years?

Anybody know how fast a space shuttle travels?

light travels 7.5 times around the earth in 1 second...
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
September 13 2011 07:57 GMT
#152
Is there anyone here like me who can't resist installing Masters of Orion after reading this?

Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
September 13 2011 07:59 GMT
#153
On September 13 2011 15:32 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 07:01 zeMoose wrote:
On September 13 2011 06:12 Canucklehead wrote:
I've always wondered how come every time they search for planets that can support life, they go by the conditions which support life as we know it? Isn't it possible that aliens could live in conditions that humans couldn't? They always look for water, but what if a certain type of alien species don't drink water to live and drank something toxic to humans to live?


It's because carbon is one of the few elements known to naturally produce complex molecules which are required for life and all carbon based life needs water to survive. Silicon is another chemical element that can create molecules large enough to carry biological information, but it doesn't have the ability to form chemical bonds with diverse types of atoms, which permits the chemical versatility necessary for metabolism.

On September 13 2011 06:36 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Well humans are to be rulers of His creation


I sure hope we've grown smart enough to completely discard such silly notions before meeting any intelligent alien races.
Probability of aliens = probability of anything which you can't prove. Tell me how you can prove existence of aliens without reproducible observations / interactions. You can't. So until the moment we find aliens, they don't exist. Same argument is used against any kind of afterlife - just because you don't know what happens after you die, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does and there will be judgement.

Actually, I find this comparison inaccurate. Probability of "Aliens" is higher even tho we haven't actually found them yet. Why? Because these so-called "Aliens" are just life forms living on a planet, and we have a perfect example of that already; us.

Therefore, "aliens" aren't some randomly made up myths like afterlife. Instead, they are logical and rational deductions based on current facts.

Follow this reasoning:

1) Life exists, earth is a proof : Fact
2) Life can potentially exist on planets with similar environment to earth: Fact
3) There are at least 10 sextillion planets in our universe (that is 100 billion x 100 billion): Fact
4) Even if 1 in a million of those 10 sextillion planets have environment similar to earth's, that is 10 billion planets (a conservative estimate, it is actually way more): Scientific/Statistics estimate
5) Even more of those planets have existed before, and countless new ones will be born in the future: Fact

Now given those odds and the fact that life already happened here, is it wrong to derive at a logical deduction that chances of at least ONE of those planets have, had or will have "aliens"?

And my point is, how can you say this chance is same as chance of "afterlife" which is based on nothing?
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
September 13 2011 08:04 GMT
#154
And about people saying 28 light years is too far and stuff, you guys forgot the fact that we don't actually have to physically be there. All the Electromagnetic Waves travel at the same speed (Light being one of them), so even if we send messages and get a reply back 60 years later, that will still be the biggest breakthrough of mankind.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 13 2011 08:05 GMT
#155
Wow, maybe in my lifetime, we will be able to see another "landing"?

Be super cool if there was/are going to plan missions to these new planets to check them out, would be awesome!
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RedTerror
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
New Zealand742 Posts
September 13 2011 08:14 GMT
#156
On September 13 2011 16:27 Tippecanoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 16:21 ShadeR wrote:
On September 13 2011 16:08 Tippecanoe wrote:
With current technology how long would it take to travel 30 light years? 300 ish years?

Anybody know how fast a space shuttle travels?

Nasa shuttle travels almost 17500mph so 1 light year would take about 38263 years, 30 light years ... 1147890 years. So little more than 1 million years. methinks


Well shit i was close no?

Any scientists here can theorize a way for us to travel fast enough to where it would be relevant to explore one of these planets.

We all know travelling at the speed of light is impossible.


Well time dilates as you approach the speed of light so to you it won't seem like 35 years.
RedTerror
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
New Zealand742 Posts
September 13 2011 08:15 GMT
#157
On September 13 2011 17:04 Fubi wrote:
And about people saying 28 light years is too far and stuff, you guys forgot the fact that we don't actually have to physically be there. All the Electromagnetic Waves travel at the same speed (Light being one of them), so even if we send messages and get a reply back 60 years later, that will still be the biggest breakthrough of mankind.


The planet probably doesn't even have water, yet alone intelligent life.
scFoX
Profile Joined September 2011
France454 Posts
September 13 2011 08:16 GMT
#158
On September 13 2011 17:05 Pandemona wrote:
Wow, maybe in my lifetime, we will be able to see another "landing"?

Be super cool if there was/are going to plan missions to these new planets to check them out, would be awesome!


I very much doubt this will happen in your lifetime. Current technology isn't anywhere near advanced enough to make a voyage this big last less than ten thousand years, let alone a few decades. There would have to be political willingness to do so as well ... :/
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
September 13 2011 08:17 GMT
#159
On September 13 2011 17:15 RedTerror wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 17:04 Fubi wrote:
And about people saying 28 light years is too far and stuff, you guys forgot the fact that we don't actually have to physically be there. All the Electromagnetic Waves travel at the same speed (Light being one of them), so even if we send messages and get a reply back 60 years later, that will still be the biggest breakthrough of mankind.


The planet probably doesn't even have water, yet alone intelligent life.

I know, I was just generally speaking for discoveries like these.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
September 13 2011 08:20 GMT
#160
On September 13 2011 15:57 FireS wrote:
^sounds like a movie plot :D

or how Australia was formed.

Or the StarCraft storyline, perhaps? ;o lol
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