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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
September 13 2011 00:06 GMT
#101
On September 13 2011 09:04 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 08:54 Gatsbi wrote:
On September 13 2011 08:37 FeyFey wrote:
we just move the whole universe not the ship. That way we don't have to make the ship move faster then the light.


I like this man's plan.


Not a man ;( a girl ! But i stole the idea from the greatest scientist of all time Professor Farnsworth !

This awkward moment right there.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Paraclete
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States100 Posts
September 13 2011 00:08 GMT
#102
Now all we need is the Millennium Falcon.... We'd be there faster than you could say .5 past lightspeed!
acgFork
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada397 Posts
September 13 2011 00:11 GMT
#103
I remember doing a school project on Gliese 581 g when this whole exoplanet thing started. I'm really excited about this and I'm glad they've kept exploring . Now all we need is a way to travel 20 light years in a lifetime .
acgFork 208
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
September 13 2011 00:18 GMT
#104
On September 13 2011 07:38 nemo14 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 07:29 susySquark wrote:
On September 13 2011 06:35 DyEnasTy wrote:
Wouldnt it be hazardous for humans to live on a planet that has 3.6x earths gravity?



3.6x Earth mass does not mean 3.6x Earth gravity. That'd only be the case if that 3.6x Earth's mass were packed into a sphere the SAME size as Earth. It's likely that this planet is larger in raidus than Earth because of the larger mass, so gravity will be somewhere between 1x and 3.6x, depending on density and composition.

No, 3.6 Earth masses means 3.6 times Earth's gravity. As long as you are outside of a spherical mass, you can model its gravitational effect on you as if it were a point mass. This is assuming that both bodies are not small in relation to the magnitude of the gravity involved, else tidal forces to come into play.

Edit: And people would probably not be able to deal with 3.6 gravities constantly pulling the blood out of their brains and into their feet. You would have to spend years working up to the ability to withstand that with any kind of consistency, I imagine. Maybe the first colony ship will be one of those that rotates to simulate gravity, and the inhabitants will spend the entire trip gradually dialing up the spin speed over the course of however many hundreds of years it would take to get there. That ought to do the trick.



And only physically fit people could even set foot on the planet. What about, children, babies, elderly, infirm?
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
hotbreakfest
Profile Joined May 2011
United States145 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 00:21:01
September 13 2011 00:19 GMT
#105
Currently we can see up to 42 billion light years into space. We are an insignificant speck dust on a speck of dust on a speck of dust on a speck of dust on a grain of sand in the Sahara Desert. I think that says just about enough.
DBOWNIZZ
Profile Joined April 2011
United States66 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 00:25:43
September 13 2011 00:24 GMT
#106
On September 13 2011 09:18 DyEnasTy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 07:38 nemo14 wrote:
On September 13 2011 07:29 susySquark wrote:
On September 13 2011 06:35 DyEnasTy wrote:
Wouldnt it be hazardous for humans to live on a planet that has 3.6x earths gravity?



3.6x Earth mass does not mean 3.6x Earth gravity. That'd only be the case if that 3.6x Earth's mass were packed into a sphere the SAME size as Earth. It's likely that this planet is larger in raidus than Earth because of the larger mass, so gravity will be somewhere between 1x and 3.6x, depending on density and composition.

No, 3.6 Earth masses means 3.6 times Earth's gravity. As long as you are outside of a spherical mass, you can model its gravitational effect on you as if it were a point mass. This is assuming that both bodies are not small in relation to the magnitude of the gravity involved, else tidal forces to come into play.

Edit: And people would probably not be able to deal with 3.6 gravities constantly pulling the blood out of their brains and into their feet. You would have to spend years working up to the ability to withstand that with any kind of consistency, I imagine. Maybe the first colony ship will be one of those that rotates to simulate gravity, and the inhabitants will spend the entire trip gradually dialing up the spin speed over the course of however many hundreds of years it would take to get there. That ought to do the trick.



And only physically fit people could even set foot on the planet. What about, children, babies, elderly, infirm?

And that's where adaptation comes in. Plus I don't think anyone is assuming there human's just like us living there. (even if there if life there)Who knows there could be some alien race that can withstand those type of environment's we just don't know.

Edit: Unless someone was talking about from moving from Earth to there....Then yea that would be impossible.
" Aaaannnd see you next time"
AKomrade
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States582 Posts
September 13 2011 00:28 GMT
#107
So we could live there if we could get there?! Lets get right on that NASA! ..Owait.
ALL HAIL THE KING IN THE NORTH! HAIL! HAIL!
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
September 13 2011 00:29 GMT
#108
I'm hoping for a planet inhabited by only female nekos. (who are all skinny and into me)
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Truedot
Profile Joined August 2011
444 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 00:36:31
September 13 2011 00:33 GMT
#109
On September 13 2011 07:26 AudionovA wrote:
so. at least we have a place to trash when our earth is destroyed.


the sun is a closer shipping destination and gets rid of trash instantly.

On September 13 2011 09:18 DyEnasTy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 07:38 nemo14 wrote:
On September 13 2011 07:29 susySquark wrote:
On September 13 2011 06:35 DyEnasTy wrote:
Wouldnt it be hazardous for humans to live on a planet that has 3.6x earths gravity?



3.6x Earth mass does not mean 3.6x Earth gravity. That'd only be the case if that 3.6x Earth's mass were packed into a sphere the SAME size as Earth. It's likely that this planet is larger in raidus than Earth because of the larger mass, so gravity will be somewhere between 1x and 3.6x, depending on density and composition.

No, 3.6 Earth masses means 3.6 times Earth's gravity. As long as you are outside of a spherical mass, you can model its gravitational effect on you as if it were a point mass. This is assuming that both bodies are not small in relation to the magnitude of the gravity involved, else tidal forces to come into play.

Edit: And people would probably not be able to deal with 3.6 gravities constantly pulling the blood out of their brains and into their feet. You would have to spend years working up to the ability to withstand that with any kind of consistency, I imagine. Maybe the first colony ship will be one of those that rotates to simulate gravity, and the inhabitants will spend the entire trip gradually dialing up the spin speed over the course of however many hundreds of years it would take to get there. That ought to do the trick.



And only physically fit people could even set foot on the planet. What about, children, babies, elderly, infirm?


brave efforts. they will be remembered for their attempts.
I used to spend my time not caring about people's language in chat. Until I got hit by blizz. Now I spend my time instigating people to verbal abusive levels, so I can ban them in turn. The circle of life.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
September 13 2011 00:38 GMT
#110
On September 13 2011 06:41 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 06:35 DyEnasTy wrote:
Wouldnt it be hazardous for humans to live on a planet that has 3.6x earths gravity?




Fuck that. I'll chill on Earth ok thanks.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
September 13 2011 00:51 GMT
#111
People are suprised by this? I need to link that Star-Size-Compendium or whatever to show them just how many planets are actually in the universe
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Covalent
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States28 Posts
September 13 2011 00:57 GMT
#112
its parent star is located about 35 light-years away, making it relatively nearby


I had to laugh at the thought they think 35 light-years is relatively nearby when I think even 500 miles is far. I am so small
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Carson
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada820 Posts
September 13 2011 01:07 GMT
#113
sadly, though exciting, even the most generous estimates (using the Drake equation or similar) don't give hope for two intergalactic civilizations to exist in the a time-period close enough for them to interact.

At our best estimates, life is so extremely rare in the universe, that we will likely never (certainly not our generation but probably not even humans) see another intelligent sophisticated race.

Sci-fi has ruined us! (although secretly I still hope that some sort of physics-bending science will come about that allows FTL travel and exploration! )
"You have to remember something: Everybody pities the weak; jealousy you have to earn." Arnold Schwarzenegger
Eliwood5837
Profile Joined July 2011
245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 01:09:06
September 13 2011 01:08 GMT
#114
this is very nice and all but, will we be able to get there anytime soon?
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DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
September 13 2011 01:51 GMT
#115
On September 13 2011 09:38 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 06:41 Eishi_Ki wrote:
On September 13 2011 06:35 DyEnasTy wrote:
Wouldnt it be hazardous for humans to live on a planet that has 3.6x earths gravity?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iDyhg0BPZA


Fuck that. I'll chill on Earth ok thanks.



Ya me too. Not leaving the wife, baby, and my grandparents.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
oldgregg
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand1176 Posts
September 13 2011 02:03 GMT
#116
has anyone posted that bill hicks quote yet?

"you know all that money that we spend on nuclear weapons and defence each year? trillions of dollars. INSTEAD if we spend that money feeding and clothing the poor of the world, and it would pay for it many times over, we could as ONE race, explore outer space together, in peace, forever"

------GUNSHOT------DEAth!!!!
Calculatedly addicted to Substance D for profit by drug terrorists
hotbreakfest
Profile Joined May 2011
United States145 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 02:39:41
September 13 2011 02:34 GMT
#117
On September 13 2011 09:29 Endymion wrote:
I'm hoping for a planet inhabited by only female nekos. (who are all skinny and into me)

No anorexics for me! I like my women curvy. :D

On September 13 2011 09:57 Covalent wrote:
Show nested quote +
its parent star is located about 35 light-years away, making it relatively nearby


I had to laugh at the thought they think 35 light-years is relatively nearby when I think even 500 miles is far. I am so small

Yep... We are pretty damn puny.
42 billion light years...
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
September 13 2011 02:53 GMT
#118
ok sweet, planets with 3.6x our gravity and thus 3.6x as strong people there, they come here then kick our asses.
esports
Gatsbi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1134 Posts
September 13 2011 03:04 GMT
#119
On September 13 2011 09:04 FeyFey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2011 08:54 Gatsbi wrote:
On September 13 2011 08:37 FeyFey wrote:
we just move the whole universe not the ship. That way we don't have to make the ship move faster then the light.


I like this man's plan.


Not a man ;( a girl ! But i stole the idea from the greatest scientist of all time Professor Farnsworth !


Awkward.........

haha
"IF WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW IS MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE KNOWN. THEN YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN ANYTHINIG YET." - Rev Kojo Smith
sheaRZerg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States613 Posts
September 13 2011 03:55 GMT
#120
Adding to the surface gravity discussion...so scaling radius as well:

You can start with the mass M goes as r^3. So r ~ M ^ (1/3) . Plugging that into F = mg = GMm/r^2. Gives you the surface acceleration as M^(1/3). So for constant densities this the new surface gravitational acceleration is (3.6)^(1/3) = 1.2 g. Not bad at all ^^.

It should be noted that this is not necessarily the whole story. For one thing rocky materials become more compressed with additional pressure. For instance materials of identical composition at the Earth's center are more dense than those at the center of Mars. This would effectively decrease the radius and increase the surface gravity for a given mass.

Alternatively...we do not, in general, know the relative abundance of lighter silicate (think rock) material to the denser metallic iron in any given planet found with this identification technique (note that this is different from the technique used by the KEPLER mission, which yields good predictions of radius and not mass). The Earth, Moon and Mars all have similar ratios of these two materials (which might be expected seeing that they formed from the same disk of material orbiting the sun. Mercury has a greater proportion of the heavier iron, for reasons that are not well understood. We have no reason to necessarily believe this would be a similar ratio in other solar systems, and this unknown could push the surface gravity in either direction.

So I guess what I am saying is big error-bars, but probably not too uncomfurtable as far as super-gravity is concerned ^^.

These are indeed exciting times. I dont hear too much about other missions, but I know the KEPLER mission has 1000s of "planetary candidates", many within in the Earth to super-earth size range.


"Dude, just don't listen to what I say; listen to what I mean." -Sean Plott
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