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On August 28 2011 15:19 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 14:54 Malgrif wrote:On August 28 2011 14:42 krndandaman wrote:On August 28 2011 14:01 Malgrif wrote:
I like their ideals, no one is born with anything and everything comes from hard work. Plastic surgery seems like an extension of that, some people are born "naturally beautiful", but that doesn't mean they're the only one who have the "right" to be beautiful. I don't see why that idea should be shunned, people don't ask for their physical features. They should have the right to be unhappy with them if they want to be, and not just accept that's the way things are. A world where we don't have to accept anything as impossible seems to be a place where anyone can achieve whatever they put their sweat and tears into? ? since when did anything infer that in korea everything comes from hard work? cause that is not true. there are alot of unfair scenarios in korea and alot of the people at the top didn't get there from solely hard work. their education system seems to be a good indicator. i thought it went without saying that no system is perfect... it really isnt too much different from america (fairness). it just seems that way because of the insane competition in korea that requires extra hard work. exactly my point...
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On August 28 2011 15:07 Xplitcit wrote:
This is probably why Korean are so good at starcraft. They play it with the same dedication as school. This is why you most Korean gamers have really bad grades in school, with the exception of OPTIMUS FUCKING PRIME. But yes, everything they do they put forward their effort and dedication. In America, you could be a good student and a progamer.... Too bad you suck compare to everyone else, but it's still acceptable.
can u provide us the source where you claimed most of us korean are idiot?
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On August 28 2011 15:28 jidolboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 15:07 Xplitcit wrote:
This is probably why Korean are so good at starcraft. They play it with the same dedication as school. This is why you most Korean gamers have really bad grades in school, with the exception of OPTIMUS FUCKING PRIME. But yes, everything they do they put forward their effort and dedication. In America, you could be a good student and a progamer.... Too bad you suck compare to everyone else, but it's still acceptable. can u provide us the source where you claimed most of us korean are idiot?
I don't think he was saying that most Koreans are idiots. I think he was saying that most Korean gamers don't do too well in school, probably because they don't care much about school. You are Korean... do you think this is true? Are great gamers bad in school? If it's anything like Japan they are.
I'm sure that the Korean gamers are the really smart ones actually, but they just don't apply themselves in school.
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Just checked in the mirror. I have that fold in the eye that they're all trying to get. Now I don't have to waste my plastic surgery on that when I graduate! I digress though. Pretty crazy, I can't imagine studying/going to school that long. At least it seems they have a longer lunch break and that TV in the classroom to break it up. To be honest, Koreans have always reminded me of the Ferengi(sp?) from Star Trek. To be fair though, America is heading down that path pretty quick, but I can't help but note the similarities.
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On August 28 2011 15:32 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 15:28 jidolboy wrote:On August 28 2011 15:07 Xplitcit wrote:
This is probably why Korean are so good at starcraft. They play it with the same dedication as school. This is why you most Korean gamers have really bad grades in school, with the exception of OPTIMUS FUCKING PRIME. But yes, everything they do they put forward their effort and dedication. In America, you could be a good student and a progamer.... Too bad you suck compare to everyone else, but it's still acceptable. can u provide us the source where you claimed most of us korean are idiot? I don't think he was saying that most Koreans are idiots. I think he was saying that most Korean gamers don't do too well in school, probably because they don't care much about school. You are Korean... do you think this is true? Are great gamers bad in school? If it's anything like Japan they are. I'm sure that the Korean gamers are the really smart ones actually, but they just don't apply themselves in school.
i meant to add gamers (oops) .i was bit ignorant and little bit pissed off how he posted shit without any proof
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On August 28 2011 15:37 jidolboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 15:32 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:On August 28 2011 15:28 jidolboy wrote:On August 28 2011 15:07 Xplitcit wrote:
This is probably why Korean are so good at starcraft. They play it with the same dedication as school. This is why you most Korean gamers have really bad grades in school, with the exception of OPTIMUS FUCKING PRIME. But yes, everything they do they put forward their effort and dedication. In America, you could be a good student and a progamer.... Too bad you suck compare to everyone else, but it's still acceptable. can u provide us the source where you claimed most of us korean are idiot? I don't think he was saying that most Koreans are idiots. I think he was saying that most Korean gamers don't do too well in school, probably because they don't care much about school. You are Korean... do you think this is true? Are great gamers bad in school? If it's anything like Japan they are. I'm sure that the Korean gamers are the really smart ones actually, but they just don't apply themselves in school. i meant to add gamers (oops) .i was bit ignorant and little bit pissed off how he posted shit without any proof
Oh no, I think you just misunderstood. In Western countries we believe that a lot of very smart people get poor grades in school for other reasons, but in East Asia (where I've spent the last four years), I've noticed that people are considered stupid for having poor grades. We think that very very smart people tend to have poor grades because classes don't interest them and they don't study much.
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South Korea is so results oriented, they do what it takes to get the job done, which explains pretty much every facet of their cultural differences, they get plastic surgery because it's a sure way to "fix" their proportions in a culture that ranks the beauty of someones face far more objectively than in America, they stay overnight at schools to study for their university exams because they realize that your higher education degree carries your future career in most cases, they understand that you have to put the work in to get the results..which of course means everything is so goddamn competitive..and of course, when you live in a culture that competitive you get people who realize they're never going to realize the dream they worked tooth and nail for and kill themselves
I actually think their culture is quite beautiful like this, I believe plastic surgery growth is an inevitable trend that will increase anyways as technology improves..
the biggest problem to me is school pressure, which is not really the fault of Koreans but of the international higher education system in general. Who actually goes to university to specifically learn these days? I go to university because I want to develop my skills for my profession. Except the only way I can get the skills for my profession is to have internships at my profession, which I could only get by completing arbitrary bachelors and masters and certifications, depending on the profession. I have used little to none of the skills I learned in my university and professional certification courses in the workplace, nothing that could have been learned with far less effort than I put in.
Koreans have done an amazing job of competing internationally for positions in high ranking universities; there are so many Koreans in prestigious programs in my university, almost competing with mainland Chinese populations which is incredible given their population difference.
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On August 28 2011 14:59 Endymion wrote:
. It's strange that they go for face jobs rather than boob jobs like most american plastic surgery clients.
heh... the one way North American girls are superior to asian girls :D
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implying the white girl doesnt look like a man
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Huh... It's intriguing that the concept the beauty seems to have changed in SK. Pretty sure those girls werent considered ugly something like 50 years ago. Globalization hurts in different ways eh ?
Which leads to an eventual big question, how to fix this ? I personally don't feel like it's possible to change the idea of beauty in such a society anymore. Maybe some sort of import of foreign natural beauties can alleviate this over time ?
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On August 28 2011 16:59 Drowsy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 14:59 Endymion wrote:
. It's strange that they go for face jobs rather than boob jobs like most american plastic surgery clients. heh... the one way North American girls are superior to asian girls :D
Well it's a cultural thing. In latin america the ass is more sexual so women usually get ass implants more than boob implants.
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On August 28 2011 14:35 nihoh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 14:16 gamecrazy wrote:On August 28 2011 14:10 Twistacles wrote:
Studying 16 hours a day for highschool is silly. Even for a PhD it makes no sense.
High School was really easy and could be done with minimal attendance, effort and motivation, while still landing 80-90s. The standard of education across the pacific is drastically higher than education in America/Canada. They are years ahead of us in teaching. 16 hours might be excessive, but attendance and motivation are necessities in that sort of environment. OK this is just an example, but what is the point of, say, making a 14 year old learn organic chemistry, something they will find extremely difficult at their age, when by the time they are 18 (the approximate age of learning organic chemistry in the West), the concept will be easily easily transitioned into their minds? They have no advantage by the time they are 21 years old plus. Cramming them at such a young age is pointless, when all that stuff can be EASILY caught up from ages 16 onwards. The most important thing in my opinion to teach young kids is critical and scientific methods of thinking, basic maths skills and language skills. No need to cram them with subjects that are EASILY taught at an older age.
You are making some huge assumptions that I would say would be most likely to be wrong.
Is it more difficult to understand something just because you are younger?
Speaking from neuroscience perspective, do you develop additional neural synapse simply with age? Or would get higher number of neural synapse with more studying despite of what age you may be? I am not a PhD in neuroscience and I am not gonna pretend like I went through research that pertains to that topic - but my graduate studying in medicine and health care tells me that you are wrong to simply relate neuro capacity with age.
Korean students, especially in their junior high and high school years, are simply provided with more and higher level of education (probably mostly from their heavier educational content). This I can attest to as I tutored high school kids for 4+ years, and the ones from Korea I've seen to have higher level of understanding. (ie. 9th grader will have understanding of 11th grade math with ease)
You are being ignorant to say that 'it is pointless to cram at such young age', Koreans, at least in their high school education, are simply ahead when compared to that of North american standard.
On August 28 2011 14:35 nihoh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 14:16 gamecrazy wrote:On August 28 2011 14:10 Twistacles wrote:
Studying 16 hours a day for highschool is silly. Even for a PhD it makes no sense.
High School was really easy and could be done with minimal attendance, effort and motivation, while still landing 80-90s. The standard of education across the pacific is drastically higher than education in America/Canada. They are years ahead of us in teaching. 16 hours might be excessive, but attendance and motivation are necessities in that sort of environment. OK this is just an example, but what is the point of, say, making a 14 year old learn organic chemistry, something they will find extremely difficult at their age, when by the time they are 18 (the approximate age of learning organic chemistry in the West), the concept will be easily easily transitioned into their minds? They have no advantage by the time they are 21 years old plus. Cramming them at such a young age is pointless, when all that stuff can be EASILY caught up from ages 16 onwards. The most important thing in my opinion to teach young kids is critical and scientific methods of thinking, basic maths skills and language skills. No need to cram them with subjects that are EASILY taught at an older age.
On August 28 2011 14:59 Endymion wrote:
I think it's the exact opposite of US society. Here, now a days we are given everything with minimal work, while Koreans have to put in maximal work for very little return. I barely pay attention in class at university, and I stand to inherit more assets than I could possibly need, while they study for so long in a super high competitive environment. At least I'll be at the top of the bubble when it bursts, and all the hard working asian students will get what they truly deserve.
I think it's interesting that Korean girls place so much interest in their faces (trying to look more anglo), even though they have much fairer skin than most North American girls. It's strange that they go for face jobs rather than boob jobs like most american plastic surgery clients.
Once again, you assume just 'cause u got good grades in NA university with your minimal work, you are at par with those who spent more hours (possibly double or more of what you put into yours) in high school, and same or more hours in their university. Logic and rational thought process, which is backed by scientific facts (which we get from scientific research), says they are more likely to have higher level of understanding and have higher capacity to apply their knowledge to improving the real world.
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On August 28 2011 13:34 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 13:03 MaestroSC wrote:On August 28 2011 12:37 krndandaman wrote:On August 28 2011 09:38 sandyph wrote:On August 28 2011 04:10 krndandaman wrote:On August 28 2011 02:55 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On August 28 2011 02:37 Cyberspace1 wrote:On August 28 2011 02:31 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On August 28 2011 01:32 jax1492 wrote:
I think all the topics she brings up are valid, but I think she really is just is missing the point .... Korea is not America. just because double eyelids seem so desired and seems odd to her we have the our standards of beauty in the usa also that may seem weird in Korea. this sounds harsh but it seems like she wants to be Korean and is now just trying to pick everything she sees wrong ... i dont think i will watch this .... i call this another case of Korea is awesome all i know is kpop and then she was surprised it wasn't like a kpop video.
p.s. i like kpop Yea, like the OP said, she seems to be pushing Western ideals into a completely different culture. I and many of my friends who went to highschool in Korea don't really see the studying as an issue. The atmosphere of pressure motivates you to work harder than you thought you could and it also clearly separates the ones who REALLY want to work hard for a good university and the ones who might have the ability but slack off. It's the national work ethic that brought Korea to where it is now after the depression/war/etc. At least that's the way we see it. Sure we complain, but really, who doesn't complain about highschool in any nation. I don't think I've ever heard anybody complain about the pressure of high school at my old school. Sure there were people who complained about stupid shit but never about anything quite as serious like this. Regardless, I think the Korean work ethic is amazing and a lot of countries would benefit amazingly if they stressed school as much as Koreans do. I meant it in like a "people always find things to complain about, even when they don't really have an issue with it" kind of way. Sorry, should have clarified that. I mean, obviously Korea is a bit extreme but honestly, I prefer it over the "everyone did a great job! Test scores are private information! Class ranking isn't important at all! It's the personality/creativity/effort that counts, not the result!" kind of attitude my highschool in America had. What a joke. I don't think a single person in that school ever tried 100% The good thing about the American highschool system is that they actually foster personality, creativity, and diversity. Students can focus on things they like and have interest in. This allows them to excel in their particular interests. Korea doesn't really have extra curricular stuff for students and people who do sports or art pretty much ONLY do sports and art. Same with music and other stuff. and then you have American students at #25 in Math, #12 in reading and #20 in Science in the world http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0923110.htmI dont know, good extra curriculasr don't seems to matter if the school can't adequately provide the most important thing a school need to provide... education and in SK study is not the only thing you can do, the kids doing kpop are also training 12+ hours per day since middle school, same for the sportsman and starcraft players its more about deciding what you want and doing it with full commitment, whether its study, music, sports or starcraft rather than trying do everything at the same time ala USA highschool But then again, American highschool students are generally more well-rounded and flexible. What if you decide that being an artist is actually not your true dream? What if you were a soccer player and you sustained an injury that would never let you play soccer again? What if you weren't good enough to make it into a group as a kpop singer? Those students in korea barely have anything to fall back on and it's VERY hard if you switch. Is this fact or opinion? Can you provide evidence to support this claim that American students are more well-rounded as individuals? Is this even a claim that is possible to prove? I understand that a lot of people get angry when you say things like "This culture is just different... its not wrong or worse than yours, its just different" because people feel like you are just copping out of an argument, or taking the easiest stance. But IMO this is just one of those things that is just a cultural stances on something, that is different from other ones. How can you say which is better or worse? IMO there are scenarios in which either stance is more beneificial. Would you rather have a doctor/lawyer who does NOTHING but studies law and medicine, and so knows EVERY fact/loophole/workings of their field? Or would you rather have a doctor who knows a lot about medicine, and a little about art? Same when it coems to sports/music though. Would you rather watch the person who has dedicated their life into becoming the worlds greatest soccer player? Or would you rather him be a great soccer player, who can also play a mean game of basketball? So which is better? Having lesser skill in any one, but being skilled in multiple areas, or having reached their personal ultimate limit in any one area? ...¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't know how I would prove this but being Korean-American and having been around Korean people my whole life I have heard so many stories of people failing because the transition from a specialization to general academic study was too hard. Yes it's true that early specialization can be good, but I feel like the consequences compared to the rewards is much greater. Remember, some kids choose to do only sports (disregarding their studies) in middle school. Do you think that a few less hours a day of practice in middle school will make that big of impact? If it did, why aren't Koreans whooping every other countries' asses? Again, we aren't talking about college or graduate school. A doctor isn't going to be defined by his highschool year. That analogy just doesn't work. A doctor becomes a doctor by going to med school and loads of other steps to becoming a doctor first. You're making this sound like we're talking about graduate school and PhD's... we're talking about middle/high school students. In America there are tons of people who don't even pick a major till their 4th year of college and still do excellent in their career. Also, look at NBA players. They all had to do their academic requirements and they are still the best in the world. Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 13:04 Drowsy wrote:On August 28 2011 09:38 sandyph wrote:On August 28 2011 04:10 krndandaman wrote:On August 28 2011 02:55 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On August 28 2011 02:37 Cyberspace1 wrote:On August 28 2011 02:31 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On August 28 2011 01:32 jax1492 wrote:
I think all the topics she brings up are valid, but I think she really is just is missing the point .... Korea is not America. just because double eyelids seem so desired and seems odd to her we have the our standards of beauty in the usa also that may seem weird in Korea. this sounds harsh but it seems like she wants to be Korean and is now just trying to pick everything she sees wrong ... i dont think i will watch this .... i call this another case of Korea is awesome all i know is kpop and then she was surprised it wasn't like a kpop video.
p.s. i like kpop Yea, like the OP said, she seems to be pushing Western ideals into a completely different culture. I and many of my friends who went to highschool in Korea don't really see the studying as an issue. The atmosphere of pressure motivates you to work harder than you thought you could and it also clearly separates the ones who REALLY want to work hard for a good university and the ones who might have the ability but slack off. It's the national work ethic that brought Korea to where it is now after the depression/war/etc. At least that's the way we see it. Sure we complain, but really, who doesn't complain about highschool in any nation. I don't think I've ever heard anybody complain about the pressure of high school at my old school. Sure there were people who complained about stupid shit but never about anything quite as serious like this. Regardless, I think the Korean work ethic is amazing and a lot of countries would benefit amazingly if they stressed school as much as Koreans do. I meant it in like a "people always find things to complain about, even when they don't really have an issue with it" kind of way. Sorry, should have clarified that. I mean, obviously Korea is a bit extreme but honestly, I prefer it over the "everyone did a great job! Test scores are private information! Class ranking isn't important at all! It's the personality/creativity/effort that counts, not the result!" kind of attitude my highschool in America had. What a joke. I don't think a single person in that school ever tried 100% The good thing about the American highschool system is that they actually foster personality, creativity, and diversity. Students can focus on things they like and have interest in. This allows them to excel in their particular interests. Korea doesn't really have extra curricular stuff for students and people who do sports or art pretty much ONLY do sports and art. Same with music and other stuff. and then you have American students at #25 in Math, #12 in reading and #20 in Science in the world http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0923110.htmI dont know, good extra curriculasr don't seems to matter if the school can't adequately provide the most important thing a school need to provide... education and in SK study is not the only thing you can do, the kids doing kpop are also training 12+ hours per day since middle school, same for the sportsman and starcraft players its more about deciding what you want and doing it with full commitment, whether its study, music, sports or starcraft rather than trying do everything at the same time ala USA highschool Maybe they go to extremes in South Korea, but I like the idea of specialization. Everyone's a beautiful unique snowflake who can be good at anything they want (*), but shit, it's usually just obvious by 6th or 7th grade which have what talents. A little bit of well-rounded-ness and enrichment is ok, but I definitely think American schools ought to followed a more specific model. On a somewhat related note, how do special needs/learning disability/speech impediment kids get treated by the education system. It seems like in America, we use a hell of a lot of resources on these ones and really care for them and basically surrogate parent them. Video was very interesting, I had no idea about the plastic surgery thing. Dunno, there are kids like me who really have no idea what they have talent in and what they want to do. I'm a highschool senior now and I'm still not sure about my talents or what I want to do. I'm pretty much below average, average, and above average at alot of stuff. There is nothing I'm horrid at and there is nothing I'm amazing at. You could almost call me the ultimate "average joe". I'm glad high school/college doesn't force you to pick a major or anything because I changed my "future career" 6 times since 8th grade.
Now just for the record, I am with you on most of your points, but, when you are talking about sports especially (since my undergrad background is in kinesiology), you can't compare higher number of hours in athletics to success in athletics.
For one, Korean students who 'all-in' into athletics aren't necessarily spending more time honing and practicing their sports related skills (NA counter parts, for one example, would be playing in their school team, as well as AAA, AA leagues, of course I'm speaking about elite of elites in junior/high school)
Second, when it comes to sports (and also to university/graduate programs) infrastructure plays a big role. Simply spending 18 hours a day on ur specialty may not mean much when you are learning from a inferior system that is behind in standard by far.
But I absolutely agree with you when it comes to specialization that is normative in Korea.
On August 28 2011 13:42 Benga wrote:
Korea's high school is really fucked up you guys from west cant comprehend.
My high school years were fun but most of them waste their teen.
By the way high school forces students to stay until 10:00pm and after that priavte education is option.
Private education wouldn't be seen as being optional if you are one of those students (or parents of those students) that are aiming for the IB league university in Korea.
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Granted, SK's HS system has certainly has its problems, but I disagree that American system is any better. At least SK has something to show for with their HS students placing second in academic abilities after Finland.
Although it sucks for South Korean students and their parents, education system that they have is necessary/ inevitable for SK to remain competetive globally. What SK lacks in natural resources, it has to make up through human resources. It's too bad that unlike their high schools, their universities are a total fail.
I am very much interested in seeing this documentary, but I don't know how the film will achieve its goal of alleviating stress for Korean HS students.
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On August 28 2011 15:41 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 15:37 jidolboy wrote:On August 28 2011 15:32 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:On August 28 2011 15:28 jidolboy wrote:On August 28 2011 15:07 Xplitcit wrote:
This is probably why Korean are so good at starcraft. They play it with the same dedication as school. This is why you most Korean gamers have really bad grades in school, with the exception of OPTIMUS FUCKING PRIME. But yes, everything they do they put forward their effort and dedication. In America, you could be a good student and a progamer.... Too bad you suck compare to everyone else, but it's still acceptable. can u provide us the source where you claimed most of us korean are idiot? I don't think he was saying that most Koreans are idiots. I think he was saying that most Korean gamers don't do too well in school, probably because they don't care much about school. You are Korean... do you think this is true? Are great gamers bad in school? If it's anything like Japan they are. I'm sure that the Korean gamers are the really smart ones actually, but they just don't apply themselves in school. i meant to add gamers (oops) .i was bit ignorant and little bit pissed off how he posted shit without any proof Oh no, I think you just misunderstood. In Western countries we believe that a lot of very smart people get poor grades in school for other reasons, but in East Asia (where I've spent the last four years), I've noticed that people are considered stupid for having poor grades. We think that very very smart people tend to have poor grades because classes don't interest them and they don't study much.
No "we" don't. I've never even heard of this, getting bad grades -> smart but lazy? That's like the #1 excuse someone will drop when getting a bad grade man :S
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from a koreans point of view...im against the production of this video
simply because itll inevitably show many bad things about korean society and its values
but the truth is the truth and it has to be said T_T
i just hope the director is as unbiased as possible and at least shows the good sides of korea too
id have a lot more peace of mind if she was older/had more experience though
On August 28 2011 20:19 gullberg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 15:41 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:On August 28 2011 15:37 jidolboy wrote:On August 28 2011 15:32 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:On August 28 2011 15:28 jidolboy wrote:On August 28 2011 15:07 Xplitcit wrote:
This is probably why Korean are so good at starcraft. They play it with the same dedication as school. This is why you most Korean gamers have really bad grades in school, with the exception of OPTIMUS FUCKING PRIME. But yes, everything they do they put forward their effort and dedication. In America, you could be a good student and a progamer.... Too bad you suck compare to everyone else, but it's still acceptable. can u provide us the source where you claimed most of us korean are idiot? I don't think he was saying that most Koreans are idiots. I think he was saying that most Korean gamers don't do too well in school, probably because they don't care much about school. You are Korean... do you think this is true? Are great gamers bad in school? If it's anything like Japan they are. I'm sure that the Korean gamers are the really smart ones actually, but they just don't apply themselves in school. i meant to add gamers (oops) .i was bit ignorant and little bit pissed off how he posted shit without any proof Oh no, I think you just misunderstood. In Western countries we believe that a lot of very smart people get poor grades in school for other reasons, but in East Asia (where I've spent the last four years), I've noticed that people are considered stupid for having poor grades. We think that very very smart people tend to have poor grades because classes don't interest them and they don't study much. No "we" don't. I've never even heard of this, getting bad grades -> smart but lazy? That's like the #1 excuse someone will drop when getting a bad grade man :S
some might call it an excuse, but it is the truth in many cases
i have a friend who was a straight A student up till year 10 but dropped in years 11 and 12 because he got hooked on dance and dota
by the end of yr 12 his average grades were C- because he just didnt give a shit about education
and you may argue that in the earlier stages of highschool you dont have to be smart to get good grades, but believe me. this guy was smart
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On August 28 2011 20:17 RinesOnRx wrote:
Granted, SK's HS system has certainly has its problems, but I disagree that American system is any better. At least SK has something to show for with their HS students placing second in academic abilities after Finland.
what I think is really interesting is the huge difference between the school system in Finland and the one used in SK. It's like the complete opposite in FInland and they place first in the UNO education index
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland
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It's hard to educate yourself since our societies are such a liquid manure pit with no proper behaviour and huge, extraordinary amounts of misinformation.
And then there is the goal of educating yourself. Advancing in a hierarchy and treating other people like garbage, spread the misinformation, sabotage them etc.
Everyone knows that it is that way.
I don't know a single teacher, who was cooperative. They all tried to play their mind-games with me. What do they expect?
I look at education like every other bourgeois construct. It's a scheme to enrich the people on top while being a lie. And the so-called rules inside of the construct are constantly being violated (the law for instance). It only counts, when a powerful person decides to let it count (in half of the cases maybe).
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