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On February 28 2012 06:05 DoubleReed wrote:
Honestly he should just embrace the fact that he's rich as hell. If he is already he's doing a poor job like he's trying to be too humble and awkward. Like he's afraid to alienate people with his money. It makes statements that would normally be fine into awkward messes.
Romney, Americans like that you're rich. It's the American dream thing. People like stories of success. You just gotta embrace it.
I wouldn't say that. Maybe if he were the CEO of a business in manufacturing or technology, but not a private equity firm. The best he can ask is that people respect is his money and not his past career, at a neither a net gain or loss.
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Romney simply doesn't have the same gift for personal communication that someone like Clinton or even Bush had. He is incapable of connecting with people. In fairness, Obama isn't much better. He can give a good speech off of a teleprompter, but by all accounts, he is cold and aloof in person.
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Has anyone considered that perhaps Santorum is sandbagging the Republican primaries to shed light on how ridiculous the Republican party has become? That's probably too much faith in one man, though :/
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On February 28 2012 06:05 DoubleReed wrote:
Romney, Americans like that you're rich. It's the American dream thing. People like stories of success. You just gotta embrace it.
Not me. I could never trust someone as rich as him to make the changes to tax codes that I'd like to see. I don't think he will do anything to correct the trend of the rich getting richer and everyone else staying the same despite inflation.
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On February 28 2012 06:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Romney's problem is not that he's rich it's that he has no idea how to talk to people, I wonder what it would be like to talk to him, just a normal conversation, I imagine it could be awkward. Also the fact that if he showed his true political leanings, a moderate, he would be doing much better.
If he gets the nomination I'm fairly certain his campaign will be much more moderate. It's just this insane primary process that forces all candidates to pander to what are the fringes of the republican party, so if he goes the moderate route now he ruins his shot at the nomination. He's already the most moderate candidate out of the lot of them, there's not much to win in a primary by shifting further to the middle.
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On February 28 2012 07:12 xDaunt wrote:
In fairness, Obama isn't much better. He can give a good speech off of a teleprompter, but by all accounts, he is cold and aloof in person.
Erm, no he isn't.
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He probably won't, but even considering that Romney's plan is more fiscally responsible and economically conservative than the remaining candidates. I honestly don't really care that Romney is rich. This fact alone should not matter at all, and it's one of the worse red herrings that people bring up against Romney.
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On February 28 2012 07:29 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 07:12 xDaunt wrote:
In fairness, Obama isn't much better. He can give a good speech off of a teleprompter, but by all accounts, he is cold and aloof in person. Erm, no he isn't.
I actually really like watching Obama speak. He knows how to speak at different venues with different levels of seriousness. Hes also very analytical, which is something that is invaluable to someone needing to explain very complicated issues clearly and concisely. I envy his public speaking ability, but I especially envy his debate style. He literally accounts for a step by step reasoning and progression behind all of his decisions. We havent had a candidate in Canada that was as thorough and academic, while still being relatable in my lifetime. It makes me jealous 
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On February 28 2012 07:25 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 06:05 DoubleReed wrote:
Romney, Americans like that you're rich. It's the American dream thing. People like stories of success. You just gotta embrace it. Not me. I could never trust someone as rich as him to make the changes to tax codes that I'd like to see. I don't think he will do anything to correct the trend of the rich getting richer and everyone else staying the same despite inflation.
This seems more like a ideological clash than one that has anything to do with his economic status.
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On February 28 2012 07:25 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 06:05 DoubleReed wrote:
Romney, Americans like that you're rich. It's the American dream thing. People like stories of success. You just gotta embrace it. Not me. I could never trust someone as rich as him to make the changes to tax codes that I'd like to see. I don't think he will do anything to correct the trend of the rich getting richer and everyone else staying the same despite inflation.
What? You're not going to vote for him just because he's rich? I mean Warren Buffett is richer than he is, and he's been advocating for more progressive tax reforms. That seems a little backwards to me.
Anyway, in that case, he wouldn't get your vote either way, right? I just think not owning up to his wealth is making it difficult for him to get his points across, that's all.
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You answer your own question in link 1. And I think he was plenty able to connect with people in a lot of people in some of his better speeches. He's not as warm as Clinton is, or as 'folksy' as Bush, in the press rooms or on the stump necesssarily, but who cares? By the way, the quote from Maureen Dowd (whose reporting is about as contentless as they come) basically tells you that he doesn't spend that much time being chummy with his big money contributors. Which sounds like a fine quality to have in a president.
So no, I don't think it came from a right wing conspiracy, nor do I think anyone does. I think that there's a grain of truth, that he probably doesn't get along too warmly with some Congressmen, and that it was an easy narrative that media corps love to propagate.
And for "teleprompter", do we really have to go over this every time? Should presidents really be forced to waste their time memorizing their speeches? Do you think Reagan memorized or made all of his speeches? Seriously. Obama wrote most of the "A More Perfect Union" speech, one of his most critically appraised, and reviews for themes and content every time. Sure ghost writers do a lot of the writing. But the president is the messenger.
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On February 28 2012 07:12 xDaunt wrote:
Romney simply doesn't have the same gift for personal communication that someone like Clinton or even Bush had. He is incapable of connecting with people. In fairness, Obama isn't much better. He can give a good speech off of a teleprompter, but by all accounts, he is cold and aloof in person.
My school choir played for him and michelle in the white house a few months ago for christmas. From all accounts, he's exactly the opposite of how you describe him. He was quite friendly and kind.
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DETROIT—When Mitt Romney regaled a Michigan audience this week with childhood memories of a landmark moment in Detroit history, it was a rare instance of emotional candour.
And, perhaps, an even rarer example of time travel.
Romney recalled he was “probably 4 or something like that” the day of the Golden Jubilee, when three-quarters of a million people gathered to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the American automobile.
“My dad had a job being the grandmaster. They painted Woodward Ave. with gold paint,” Romney told a rapt Tea Party audience in the village of Milford Thursday night, reliving a moment of American industrial glory.
The Golden Jubilee described so vividly by Romney was indeed an epic moment in automotive lore. The parade included one of the last public appearances by an elderly Henry Ford.
And it took place June 1, 1946 — fully nine months before Romney was born.
Source
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On February 28 2012 09:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +DETROIT—When Mitt Romney regaled a Michigan audience this week with childhood memories of a landmark moment in Detroit history, it was a rare instance of emotional candour.
And, perhaps, an even rarer example of time travel.
Romney recalled he was “probably 4 or something like that” the day of the Golden Jubilee, when three-quarters of a million people gathered to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the American automobile.
“My dad had a job being the grandmaster. They painted Woodward Ave. with gold paint,” Romney told a rapt Tea Party audience in the village of Milford Thursday night, reliving a moment of American industrial glory.
The Golden Jubilee described so vividly by Romney was indeed an epic moment in automotive lore. The parade included one of the last public appearances by an elderly Henry Ford.
And it took place June 1, 1946 — fully nine months before Romney was born. Source
Thank you, today was looking like a shit day but this made me giggle. This is the possible future president of the US. Just think about that. Right now it is either him or Santorum going up against Obama.
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On February 28 2012 09:51 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 07:12 xDaunt wrote:
Romney simply doesn't have the same gift for personal communication that someone like Clinton or even Bush had. He is incapable of connecting with people. In fairness, Obama isn't much better. He can give a good speech off of a teleprompter, but by all accounts, he is cold and aloof in person. My school choir played for him and michelle in the white house a few months ago for christmas. From all accounts, he's exactly the opposite of how you describe him. He was quite friendly and kind. Yeah, I actually know several people who have met him who have said he was very engaging and friendly. One was just an intern in an elevator with him and there were no reporters or anything around for him to have to present for. She got a picture with him and said he was very nice and asked her about her day and how she liked interning.
He is very calculating politically, but I think the second to last line about Clinton being different is completely false. Plenty of people felt the death touch politically by Clinton.
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On February 28 2012 10:16 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 09:51 darthfoley wrote:On February 28 2012 07:12 xDaunt wrote:
Romney simply doesn't have the same gift for personal communication that someone like Clinton or even Bush had. He is incapable of connecting with people. In fairness, Obama isn't much better. He can give a good speech off of a teleprompter, but by all accounts, he is cold and aloof in person. My school choir played for him and michelle in the white house a few months ago for christmas. From all accounts, he's exactly the opposite of how you describe him. He was quite friendly and kind. Yeah, I actually know several people who have met him who have said he was very engaging and friendly.
You must have quite a lot of important friends.
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On February 28 2012 10:25 SerpentFlame wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 10:16 Jibba wrote:On February 28 2012 09:51 darthfoley wrote:On February 28 2012 07:12 xDaunt wrote:
Romney simply doesn't have the same gift for personal communication that someone like Clinton or even Bush had. He is incapable of connecting with people. In fairness, Obama isn't much better. He can give a good speech off of a teleprompter, but by all accounts, he is cold and aloof in person. My school choir played for him and michelle in the white house a few months ago for christmas. From all accounts, he's exactly the opposite of how you describe him. He was quite friendly and kind. Yeah, I actually know several people who have met him who have said he was very engaging and friendly. You must have quite a lot of important friends.
It's easier to meet/see the President and most politicians than you think. I saw him while he was in New Orleans in 2008 and have a few friends who got pictures with him from then. There's others who have see him at various other events, and a few who worked as congressional staffers have met him as well- he's more than happy to chat with young people from time to time.
Even if Romney tries to "moderate" himself in the general election, it's going to be very difficult after the 1,001 soundbites from the primary where he boasts about his conservatism.
http://nymag.com/news/features/gop-primary-heilemann-2012-3/
And here's an article about the Republican Party's problems.
“Six months before this thing got going, every Republican I know was saying, ‘We’re gonna win, we’re gonna beat Obama,’ ” says former Reagan strategist Ed Rollins. “Now even those who’ve endorsed Romney say, ‘My God, what a fucking mess.’ ”
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I'm all for voting Santorum just to see the bloodbath in the general election (I didn't even know some states allowed democrats/independents to vote in the republican primary). I personally think Romney has a better shot against Obama, so here's to hoping Santorum gets the nomination.
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