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KaZzZz
France42 Posts
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
On August 22 2011 20:21 Klaca wrote: Political science is a scam on the grandest scale. Any science that makes normative statements is blatantly fallacious from the get-go. You cant take something like that seriously. I disagree. And i wasn't talking bout political science only, but sociology, history etc. too. On August 22 2011 20:22 RoyW wrote: Basically, yes. Even here in Ireland, religious people believe in an Evolution facilitated by god. There are an incredibly small number of people who are creationists in the man was created 4-6 thousand years ago sense. And those are all ridiculed in mainstream culture. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19956961/ns/world_news-europe/t/pope-creation-vs-evolution-clash-absurdity/#.TlI9Y134IUU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution If even the catholic church is more progressive, there's gotta be something wrong with the republican party. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8067 Posts
On August 22 2011 20:22 RoyW wrote: Basically, yes. Even here in Ireland, religious people believe in an Evolution facilitated by god. There are an incredibly small number of people who are creationists in the man was created 4-6 thousand years ago sense. And those are all ridiculed in mainstream culture. "And then... There are fossils. Whenever anybody tries to tell me that it took place in seven days, I reach for a fossil, and go "Fossil!"And if they keep talking, I throw it just over their head". And more generally: "I would like to have the faith that everything was created in seven days but I have thoughts and that fucks up the faith thing." Anyway. Creationism is so ridiculous it shouldn't even be worth mentioning. Some people need to seriously leave middle age. The fact that serious candidate for the White House can think and publicly admit they think that earth was created in seven days six thousand years ago shows that something is terribly terribly terribly wrong with both the Republican party and the US as a whole. | ||
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RoyW
Ireland270 Posts
On August 22 2011 20:24 Klaca wrote: Thats the crazy argument. Its an ad-hom, strawman, what ever way you take it. You cant address his arguments so instead you attack his person. Its the same old shit everywhere, its almost ridiculous how analogous people's rationalizations are: never are his arguments addressed, and because he doesnt have any skeletons in his closet to use as justification of dislike, a blanket statement like calling him crazy is used. Because in the kingdom of lies, talking about truth is heresy and nuttery. gold standard - hth | ||
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
On August 22 2011 17:39 BlackFlag wrote: People who blatantly refuse to acknowledge at least basic science are idiots. That's why it's important if they believe in evolution. Someone who rejects science because in his 2000 year old book stands something different shouldn't have any responsibility, especially they should not be president of a country. If those people are idiots, what does that make those who believe evolution is "basic science" ? | ||
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reincremate
China2216 Posts
On August 22 2011 21:10 snotboogie wrote: If those people are idiots, what does that make those who believe evolution is "basic science" ? It makes them correct. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8067 Posts
On August 22 2011 21:10 snotboogie wrote: If those people are idiots, what does that make those who believe evolution is "basic science" ? Rational and informed people? Seriously, there is not a single rational argument against evolution today. Standing against evolution is as stupid as standing against the fact that the earth is a sphere. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On August 22 2011 14:44 synapse wrote: He believes in evolution. How could the Republican party possibly nominate him? Even favourites of the Republican base can be reasonable: | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
That's why people are thinking about these problems, and try to solve them by "digging deeper". Crying for god to solve our problems won't bring humanity any further. | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
On August 22 2011 21:28 BlackFlag wrote: Evolution may or may not explicate everything, but we've got to work with what we have, and evolution is by far the best model to explain how life evolved. We also don't begin to cry when we talk about the universe because our current theories don't explain everything and start to shout "GOD DID IT, IT'S GOD'S WORK!!!!!!!111111" That's why people are thinking about these problems, and try to solve them by "digging deeper". Crying for god to solve our problems won't bring humanity any further. Pretty much. Believing in God may make you feel better but it won't solve your problems. Just look at Texas. They prayed to God to end the drought and it is only getting worse. I guess God is on vacation? | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On August 22 2011 21:36 Adila wrote: Pretty much. Believing in God may make you feel better but it won't solve your problems. Just look at Texas. They prayed to God to end the drought and it is only getting worse. I guess God is on vacation? Yes, he's with Obama. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On August 22 2011 20:31 BlackFlag wrote: I disagree. And i wasn't talking bout political science only, but sociology, history etc. too. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19956961/ns/world_news-europe/t/pope-creation-vs-evolution-clash-absurdity/#.TlI9Y134IUU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution If even the catholic church is more progressive, there's gotta be something wrong with the republican party. Well, the intellectuals that backed Vatican II were, broadly, rather progressive people. The Catholic Church is still wrought with various deep problems, but if one looks at the modern Catholic church in the context of its entire history, the past century has been a very "progressive" time for the Catholics. | ||
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liepzig
Singapore45 Posts
Obama, despite his firm stance on raising taxes on the rich, has been trying to extend payroll tax cuts (which has a greater effect on the poor). Guess what the anti-tax GOP is trying to do? They are blocking Obama from extending the tax cuts, essentially RAISING TAXES on the poor. Their reasoning? "Not all tax relief is created equal for helping the economy get moving again.", says Rep. Jeb Hensarling from Texas. In other words, tax cuts are only good for the rich. The poor can suck it. Full article here. AP: GOP may OK tax increase that Obama hopes to block Honestly, this kind of bullshit just pisses me off. The GOP is so obviously bought out by the banks and corporations that they don't even bother pretending anymore. How the heck could anyone vote for these people? | ||
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KaZzZz
France42 Posts
Since it's 40% of the whole population, i guess it's a vast majority of the Republicans. I don't know how to expresse clearly my felling, but it really scares me. It gives me the impression that there's a black sheep in the West, and it's the leader. Oh and i'm agnostic, definitely not atheist. Please don't see there an heretic message. | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
That is seriously a huge problem. Dinosaurs were not jesus' personal ponies, although the thought of jesus in the back of a rickshaw being carted around by a triceratops is hilarious, it is not reality. Also the fact that you can't throw a stone in a GOP convention without hitting an enormous wall of hypocrisy. Let's be anti abortion but FOR the death penalty. Let's call ourselves compassionate christians but if you hopped a border to get away from a violent clusterfuck of a drug war in your country I'm going to ship you right the fuck back. Let's say people can be responsible enough to carry around tubes of metal that shoot little bits of metal out for the sole purpose of killing things but not responsible enough to determine what to put in their own bodies. Let's say we are for a smaller less intrusive government but say that creationism should be taught in public, government funded schools. Let's say medicare and other entitlement programs are bad but take their money anyways for our clinic to pray away homosexuality. It's just a never ending stream of bullshit with these people. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On August 23 2011 02:44 KaZzZz wrote: I just read on different sources that 40% of the Americans believe in creationism. Please tell me i didn't understand something or the figure is biased for any reason. Or it's the most unbelievable and saddest thing i have ever read. I had underestimated so much the percentage. Since it's 40% of the whole population, i guess it's a vast majority of the Republicans. I don't know how to expresse clearly my felling, but it really scares me. It gives me the impression that there's a black sheep in the West, and it's the leader. Oh and i'm agnostic, definitely not atheist. Please don't see there an heretic message. I'm not sure how we are defining creationism, but I don't quite understand why you would be terrified that people believe a God created the world. That has been the common belief of most of the world, not just the US, for most of history. | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On August 23 2011 02:44 KaZzZz wrote: I just read on different sources that 40% of the Americans believe in creationism. Please tell me i didn't understand something or the figure is biased for any reason. Or it's the most unbelievable and saddest thing i have ever read. I had underestimated so much the percentage. Since it's 40% of the whole population, i guess it's a vast majority of the Republicans. I don't know how to expresse clearly my felling, but it really scares me. It gives me the impression that there's a black sheep in the West, and it's the leader. Oh and i'm agnostic, definitely not atheist. Please don't see there an heretic message. Yep, and the same fundamental reason is why the country continues to have these stupid debates on abortion, equal rights for various groups (gays etc.) and even separation of church and state. When asked to provide even a shred of evidence or some kind of explanation of why we find fossiles of less-complex creatures deep in the earth, with vertebrate creatures showing up later, and human fossils only showing up on the most superficial, top layers of the planet, they just claim scientists are liberal liars/god put them there to test our faith, plug their ears and go "la la la la la". It's frustrating as fuck watching any kind of so-called debate on evolution/creationism from the last few decades. The moment the argument starts getting to the nitty-gritty details with evidence to back things up, one side calls the other a bigot and the whole thing ends. Scientists have pretty much given up trying to fight for evolution and would rather do what they're going to do and simply deal with these idiots getting in the way. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Adila
United States874 Posts
On August 23 2011 03:01 jdseemoreglass wrote: I'm not sure how we are defining creationism, but I don't quite understand why you would be terrified that people believe a God created the world. That has been the common belief of most of the world, not just the US, for most of history. Creationism, in the USA, is usually defined as what is written in the Bible. | ||
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