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On February 08 2012 09:07 allecto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 08:27 Kiarip wrote:
And this cynicism gave way to self-destructing foreign policies, just like 9/11 did, you would have hoped that people have learned their lesson, but fear is a dangerous thing, and it's most dangerous because a powerful central government never passes it as an opportunity to grab more power, and disenfranchise its people. I'm still going to disagree with the premise behind your argument. With what happened to our country that day, we had to make a united and forceful retaliation. And at the end of the day, that retaliation in some form had to be an operation in the Middle East--there is no denying this no matter how complicated you want to get with political theories.
yeah and we have made a united and forceful retaliation. We've killed way more innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq than they have killed American citizens, maybe it's time to go back to the way things used to be, before our people once again have to suffer the consequences of our own foreign policy.
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On February 08 2012 09:47 Kiarip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 09:07 allecto wrote:On February 08 2012 08:27 Kiarip wrote:
And this cynicism gave way to self-destructing foreign policies, just like 9/11 did, you would have hoped that people have learned their lesson, but fear is a dangerous thing, and it's most dangerous because a powerful central government never passes it as an opportunity to grab more power, and disenfranchise its people. I'm still going to disagree with the premise behind your argument. With what happened to our country that day, we had to make a united and forceful retaliation. And at the end of the day, that retaliation in some form had to be an operation in the Middle East--there is no denying this no matter how complicated you want to get with political theories. yeah and we have made a united and forceful retaliation. We've killed way more innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq than they have killed American citizens, maybe it's time to go back to the way things used to be, before our people once again have to suffer the consequences of our own foreign policy.
While I agree with the main thrust of your argument, a caveat in Afghanistan is that the nation was embroiled in a much deadlier Civil War before the United States invasion.
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Uhm...did CNN just cut out more than half of Paul's speech?
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United States22883 Posts
Early numbers have Santorum up big in Minnesota and Missouri. This is slightly hilarious and sad.
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On February 08 2012 11:22 Jibba wrote:
Early numbers have Santorum up big in Minnesota and Missouri. This is slightly hilarious and sad.
I am incredibly embarrassed for my state right now. Good thing we always end up voting Democrat in the general election.
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This is why I don't believe in democracy.
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On February 08 2012 09:47 Kiarip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 09:07 allecto wrote:On February 08 2012 08:27 Kiarip wrote:
And this cynicism gave way to self-destructing foreign policies, just like 9/11 did, you would have hoped that people have learned their lesson, but fear is a dangerous thing, and it's most dangerous because a powerful central government never passes it as an opportunity to grab more power, and disenfranchise its people. I'm still going to disagree with the premise behind your argument. With what happened to our country that day, we had to make a united and forceful retaliation. And at the end of the day, that retaliation in some form had to be an operation in the Middle East--there is no denying this no matter how complicated you want to get with political theories. yeah and we have made a united and forceful retaliation. We've killed way more innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq than they have killed American citizens, maybe it's time to go back to the way things used to be, before our people once again have to suffer the consequences of our own foreign policy.
I wasn't arguing about implementation. You're right, we should have done absolutely nothing.
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Hahahaha I can't believe Santorum is surging right now. I think Mitt is probably cursing himself for getting himself in such a sticky situation. I wonder if we'll have Santorum spread through the center of the nation.
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United States43510 Posts
Isn't Santorum the one who, when caught out by some college kid making statements that were contrary to everyone educated in the field, said "it's just something I feel to be true, you don't have to answer for that, I don't need to be an academic/scientist to have an opinion"?
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On February 08 2012 11:22 Jibba wrote:
Early numbers have Santorum up big in Minnesota and Missouri. This is slightly hilarious and sad.
As a Democrat, here's to hoping he gets the nomination!
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On February 08 2012 11:43 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 11:22 Jibba wrote:
Early numbers have Santorum up big in Minnesota and Missouri. This is slightly hilarious and sad. As a Democrat, here's to hoping he gets the nomination!
Exactly my thoughts rofl
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I'm scared for my country. Two (quite possibly three, heck even four) voted for a religious nutjob.
Sweden here I come.
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Wow, Santorum actually won a state? Just when I thought people in my country couldn't be more fucking retarded, they go and do this shit. Amazing.
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something doesn't seem right
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For what its worth, Ron Paul is the only one who has explicitly said he doesn't want war with Iran.
All the other candidates sound EXACTLY like Bush and Cheney did leading up to the war in Iraq.
Ergo, Ron Paul has my vote, or will if he manages to win the nomination. (Can't vote in any primaries since I'm an Independent, not Republican)
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On February 08 2012 12:13 Instigata wrote:
something doesn't seem right
Santorum took a calculated gamble by ignoring Florida and focusing on Missouri/CO with some vicious attack ads in MN. It seems to be paying off but this doesn't change the big picture at all to me at least.
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A split field is perfect for Ron Paul because the main issue of the convention will be fiscal conservatism. Without a war, this is the issue that unifies Republicans from all over the country.
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On February 08 2012 12:21 Millitron wrote:
For what its worth, Ron Paul is the only one who has explicitly said he doesn't want war with Iran.
All the other candidates sound EXACTLY like Bush and Cheney did leading up to the war in Iraq.
Ergo, Ron Paul has my vote, or will if he manages to win the nomination. (Can't vote in any primaries since I'm an Independent, not Republican)
Sign a Pub card then switch back.
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That's it, I'm renouncing my CO driver's license.
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Santorum kicking Romney's butt today.. I am speechless... Obama must be smiling
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