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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
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Undrass
Norway381 Posts
On February 07 2012 07:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Are you allowed to tell straight out lies now? I mean....what the heck. Have none called him out? Why isn't he sued yet? I heard Americans are great at that. This is just disgusting. | ||
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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On February 08 2012 04:17 Undrass wrote: Are you allowed to tell straight out lies now? I mean....what the heck. Have none called him out? Why isn't he sued yet? I heard Americans are great at that. This is just disgusting. Its hilarious. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On February 08 2012 04:06 zalz wrote: Old people avoiding hospitals in Holland or wearing bracelets because they are afraid a doctor is gonna euthanize them when they aren't looking. Ok. Don't worry my friend, the voting electorate hasn't taken him seriously since he lost his bid for senator. The republican nominations even considering him briefly was out of desperation. Edit; just found this gem from wikipedia "In the November 7, 2006 election, Santorum lost by over 700,000 votes, receiving 41% of the vote to Casey's 59%, the largest margin of defeat for an incumbent senator since 1980[91] and the largest losing margin for an incumbent Republican senator ever.[92]" | ||
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Undrass
Norway381 Posts
Hilarious and and damn frightening at the same time. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On February 08 2012 05:05 xDaunt wrote: Well, it's decision time for me. I'm in Colorado, and the caucus that I'll be attending is going to take place at 7 MST this evening. I still haven't decided whom I'll vote for. I'm really curious to see what other republicans think and why. In 2008, I was still in Boulder, and the caucus was basically a freak show of Ron Paul supporters. I'm guessing that I'll be around a more normal crowd this time now that I'm in the suburbs. Take pictures! | ||
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LaLLsc2
United States502 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 08 2012 05:15 LaLLsc2 wrote: I believe this video is relevant to the Repbulican nomination because it shows George Bush Jr campaigning on a humble foreign policy, and he was widely accepted by the republican establishment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc In fairness to Bush, all of those comments were made before 9/11, which dramatically changed the game. | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
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allecto
328 Posts
On February 08 2012 05:43 Kiarip wrote: No it didn't. The government changed the game by using 9/11 to instill a permanent fear in the people to justify garbage like the patriot act. Is that a conspiracy theory or are you just ignoring the fact that more people were killed on 9/11 than at Pearl Harbor? It obviously changed a lot regarding our foreign policy. | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On February 08 2012 05:58 allecto wrote: Is that a conspiracy theory or are you just ignoring the fact that more people were killed on 9/11 than at Pearl Harbor? It obviously changed a lot regarding our foreign policy. Yeah, the government changed the foreign policy. 9/11 didn't. As Kiarip said, it was used as an instrument to pass legislation and turn public opinion. Not that I'd like to downplay the American medias fearmongering role in this. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
The government didn't pounce on it in some cynical bid for power that it had been wanting to enforce for a while. The talk that Bush gives there is what a lot of people were feeling. 9/11 changed that forever. It showed the US that they are not detached from the world and to act as if they can, is foolish This talk about, did the government change the foreign policy, or did 9/11, is some chicken/egg story. The government wasn't sitting on a large pile of plans, waiting for a 9/11 to happen. 9/11 happened and it changed the dynamic forever. The government changed, just like the US people were changed by the US. There is such a thing as public trauma. It is possible for an entire nation to be struck mentality. Read things from before the first world war and after the first world war. | ||
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allecto
328 Posts
On February 08 2012 06:07 HellRoxYa wrote: Yeah, the government changed the foreign policy. 9/11 didn't. As Kiarip said, it was used as an instrument to pass legislation and turn public opinion. Not that I'd like to downplay the American medias fearmongering role in this. This is ridiculous. If you were in America in 2001 and 2002, you would think completely differently. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
If anyone gets spare time these are well worth the watch; http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/ + this | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On February 08 2012 05:15 LaLLsc2 wrote: I believe this video is relevant to the Repbulican nomination because it shows George Bush Jr campaigning on a humble foreign policy, and he was widely accepted by the republican establishment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc I'd vote for the guy! | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
What do you think the USA, the most powerfull nation in the world, has? They have thousands and thousands of plans on shelves that they hope they never need to use. 9/11 proved them they had to be used. There is nothing sinister about any of that. | ||
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Kiarip
United States1835 Posts
On February 08 2012 05:58 allecto wrote: Is that a conspiracy theory or are you just ignoring the fact that more people were killed on 9/11 than at Pearl Harbor? It obviously changed a lot regarding our foreign policy. of course it did, but it shouldn't have. On February 08 2012 06:21 zalz wrote: No, if you think that 9/11 was not a game changer you are simply detached from reality. The government didn't pounce on it in some cynical bid for power that it had been wanting to enforce for a while. The talk that Bush gives there is what a lot of people were feeling. 9/11 changed that forever. It showed the US that they are not detached from the world and to act as if they can, is foolish This talk about, did the government change the foreign policy, or did 9/11, is some chicken/egg story. The government wasn't sitting on a large pile of plans, waiting for a 9/11 to happen. 9/11 happened and it changed the dynamic forever. The government changed, just like the US people were changed by the US. There is such a thing as public trauma. It is possible for an entire nation to be struck mentality. Read things from before the first world war and after the first world war. It was a game changer because the government made it a game changer. I live in New York city, and I lived here when the attack happened, and yes everyone including me was traumatized even if they haven't lost anyone in the tragedy, and those that did have obviously been hurt beyond repair, but the idea that a world is somehow a different place now has been pushed down our throats by the government. The world wasn't a safer place before 9/11... as a matter of fact 9/11 was planned during the time before 9/11, so how are you gonna say that the world all of a sudden became a lot more dangerous after that, it's still the same world. And as for showing the US that they're not detached from the world... The US was NEVER detached from the world. We were already in Asia, and the middle-east previously, and that's what brought on the the hatred that inspired the 9/11 attacks in the first place, and as a result of these attacks we went even deeper with involvement in the middle-east, and now they hate us even more... The government takes advantage of people's fear, there's nothing new here. And yeah... you're just proving my point, because what happened after World War One in terms of treaties, foreign policies, and etc. Is what lead to World War 2... Just because people are traumatized doesn't turn right and wrong on its head. | ||
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BobTheBuilder1377
Somalia335 Posts
On February 08 2012 05:05 xDaunt wrote: Well, it's decision time for me. I'm in Colorado, and the caucus that I'll be attending is going to take place at 7 MST this evening. I still haven't decided whom I'll vote for. I'm really curious to see what other republicans think and why. In 2008, I was still in Boulder, and the caucus was basically a freak show of Ron Paul supporters. I'm guessing that I'll be around a more normal crowd this time now that I'm in the suburbs. Freak show? as in they were wearing costumes? O_o Also, Ron Paul nailed an interview yesterday: | ||
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