California Raids Rawesome Food - Page 10

On August 06 2011 23:42 Papulatus wrote:


This is a joke, right?

Yes, Just follow the fucking rules! What a brilliant idea! Don't question faulty laws! Don't question potential problems in our society! Just follow the fucking rules! Buy into every rule that is put in place and we'll all be happy, living under a government that controls every fucking aspect of our lives.

This country was based on individual freedom. If I want to buy unpasteurized milk, then for fucks sake let me buy unpasteurized milk. No doubt there should be a warning that it is potentially harmful. The issue with buying unpasteurized milk is that I'm not buying from corporate farmers. God forbid we farm our own food, and sell food that we farm. We should have to buy into huge farms. Make organic farmers just through every fucking loop so that eventually, we don't have any organic, local farms. I find it disgusting that I am allowed to buy cigarettes, but not local organic products that don't have corporate ties.

When it comes down to it, cigarette company's are huge corporations that have pull in the government. Organic farms are small companies with weak ties to the government. Both are potentially harmful yet one is able to legally operate its business.

On August 07 2011 03:54 jmack wrote:
I find it insane how hard they'll regulate homegrown "illegal" food operations under the guise that they're not safe or "approved" by the FDA; when in reality the FDA barely even regulates the food that makes into grocery stores.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food,_Inc.

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That doesn't mean the government should ban you from eating the food, just informing you that it may be dangerous and shutting down any false advertizing.

On August 07 2011 04:10 Traeon wrote:

Not to mention that the FDA also approves drugs as safe which end up killing hundred thousand people in the US every year.

On August 07 2011 01:04 Voros wrote:
Most posters are missing the point, namely that this is an imposition on private citizens by government agents who are acting in no one's best interests but their own. Whether you believe raw or organic foods to be superior in terms of ethics or quality to their mainstream counterparts is irrelevant--this is about choice, not hippie beliefs vs. those of the commodities industry.

This is what my nation has come to: private citizens are no longer permitted to purchase the food or drink they desire without first receiving permission from government regulators and bureaucrats. In fact, in some states (including my home state), you would be guilty of a felony if you were to milk a cow and gift that raw, unpasteurized milk to your neighbor or relative for human consumption.

And yes, anyone raised on a farm can attest to the fact that there is a noticeable and undeniable difference in quality between raw milk and pasteurized milk. The same is also true for cheese, butter, and eggs.

On August 07 2011 02:59 Playguuu wrote:
There was me that is Alex, and my three droogs, that is Pete, Georgie Boy and Dim. And we sat in the Rawsome Milk Bar trying to make up our rassoodocks what to do with the evening. The Rawsome Milk Bar sold milk plus - milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old Ultra-Violence.

On August 06 2011 15:19 Zzoram wrote:


You can make cheese from unpasteurized milk as long as you store it at the right temperature and hold it for 60+ days to age. That's not dangerous.

Milk is a different story, raw milk is considered a safety hazard because of all the deaths it has caused. It still kills people every couple of years, and makes thousands of others sick.

On August 07 2011 03:58 Nagano wrote:


Sadly, most people aren't fully educated on our nation's origins and thus don't fully respect the principles upon which it was founded.

It's threads like these that make me firmly believe the viewership of TL comprises of mostly teenagers, because I can model their thought processes based on their posts and compare it to when I was that age.

On August 07 2011 03:58 Nagano wrote:


Sadly, most people aren't fully educated on our nation's origins and thus don't fully respect the principles upon which it was founded.

It's threads like these that make me firmly believe the viewership of TL comprises of mostly teenagers, because I can model their thought processes based on their posts and compare it to when I was that age.

On August 07 2011 04:11 Necrophantasia wrote:


Drugs that kill hundreds of thousands of people in the US every year, what? Name me a drug that has FDA approval that has directly killed 100,000 people.

On August 07 2011 04:31 NET wrote:
(I am not here to quarrel with anyone, I am humbly here to just give some of my basic knowledge in order to help others understand what is going on.)

To begin with, it is not an attack on organic food, its an attack on illegal vendors selling potentially hazardous foods.

Without oversight of that illegal vendor, how do consumers know if the proper measurements were taken to properly transport the product. How do we know if the milk and cheese being stored in their refrigerators is the correct temperature so that bacterial growth is at least not exponential.

Also I don't understand the fad of drinking raw milk. People assume its healthier, but scientific evidence proves otherwise. Think about it for a second. Milk is taken from a cow by a farmer for example. How do we know if his hands are clean or if they are full of either cow feces or feces of his own. That contamination spreads, from that one instance, to the entire container holding all of the milk, therefore contaminating the entire product. Raw milk will sell the product as is. (As stated before I think people are confused about the difference between organic and raw milk, its completely understandable because how many people really know and study this topic anyways?)

Pasteurization, and even better, ultra pasteurization helps kill many of the bacteria and other mircboes that are proven to be harmful to your health using heat (The only downside to using this method is that some people think it taste different(ergo worse), but that's just a matter of preference, you like to play zerg over terran because you like their style better, etc) . Lets talk Listeria monocytogenes.
Here is an excerpt, but hopefully you will read the entire page: "It is one of the most virulent foodborne pathogens, with 20 to 30 percent of clinical infections resulting in death.[1] Responsible for approximately 2,500 illnesses and 500 deaths in the United States (U.S.) annually, listeriosis is the leading cause of death among foodborne bacterial pathogens, with fatality rates exceeding even Salmonella and Clostridium botulinum.[2]" Milk and milk products are some of the most common sources of listeria. I think because there is so much regulation in the food industry and that not as many outbreaks occur due to the this fact, people over time forget how dangerous raw milk truly is. In truth though, there is not enough people to check every batch of milk or every carton of eggs even in the regulated industry, so we do see cases appear every so often, which is when we hear about huge recalls on food.

You have to remember that the regulations in place are not there for your average healthy adult, but rather for you susceptible young children, your elderly, and your immunocompromised. Hopefully I helped clear a few things up, and not just add more confusing to this already controversial topic.

On August 07 2011 03:38 Gamegene wrote:


You took the phrase "anti government extremists" and accused him of "marginalizing dissent" with a ludicrous explanation.

You have no right to talk.

On August 07 2011 04:42 Traeon wrote:


http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/279/15/1200.abstract

We estimated that in 1994 overall 2216000 (1721000-2711000) hospitalized patients had serious ADRs and 106000 (76000-137000) had fatal ADRs

ADR = adverse drug reaction. That is, the drug having an unexpected harmful side effect. We're not talking about toddlers swallowing some pills or elderly not taking their meds properly. We're talking about people being cured by doctors and nurses with prescription drugs that were approved as safe by the FDA.

On August 07 2011 04:31 NET wrote:
(I am not here to quarrel with anyone, I am humbly here to just give some of my basic knowledge in order to help others understand what is going on.)

To begin with, it is not an attack on organic food, its an attack on illegal vendors selling potentially hazardous foods.

Without oversight of that illegal vendor, how do consumers know if the proper measurements were taken to properly transport the product. How do we know if the milk and cheese being stored in their refrigerators is the correct temperature so that bacterial growth is at least not exponential.

Also I don't understand the fad of drinking raw milk. People assume its healthier, but scientific evidence proves otherwise. Think about it for a second. Milk is taken from a cow by a farmer for example. How do we know if his hands are clean or if they are full of either cow feces or feces of his own. That contamination spreads, from that one instance, to the entire container holding all of the milk, therefore contaminating the entire product. Raw milk will sell the product as is. (As stated before I think people are confused about the difference between organic and raw milk, its completely understandable because how many people really know and study this topic anyways?)

Pasteurization, and even better, ultra pasteurization helps kill many of the bacteria and other mircboes that are proven to be harmful to your health using heat (The only downside to using this method is that some people think it taste different(ergo worse), but that's just a matter of preference, you like to play zerg over terran because you like their style better, etc) . Lets talk Listeria monocytogenes.
Here is an excerpt, but hopefully you will read the entire page: "It is one of the most virulent foodborne pathogens, with 20 to 30 percent of clinical infections resulting in death.[1] Responsible for approximately 2,500 illnesses and 500 deaths in the United States (U.S.) annually, listeriosis is the leading cause of death among foodborne bacterial pathogens, with fatality rates exceeding even Salmonella and Clostridium botulinum.[2]" Milk and milk products are some of the most common sources of listeria. I think because there is so much regulation in the food industry and that not as many outbreaks occur due to the this fact, people over time forget how dangerous raw milk truly is. In truth though, there is not enough people to check every batch of milk or every carton of eggs even in the regulated industry, so we do see cases appear every so often, which is when we hear about huge recalls on food.

You have to remember that the regulations in place are not there for your average healthy adult, but rather for you susceptible young children, your elderly, and your immunocompromised. Hopefully I helped clear a few things up, and not just add more confusing to this already controversial topic.