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On March 17 2005 14:34 0_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 13:26 Polis wrote:On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote:
You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone. 1)But that would be against all the Americans that live now in America and that didn't even exist when that was happening. 2)America is not represing Indians. According to your logic if Germany would took over France or Poland they should not be stoped becose Americans took over America from Indians. I'm not saying that. I'm saying you and the US government are setting double standards. If you're going to take away Tibet, you might as well as cut up the USA, after all, they're on other people's land too. Yes, it would be "against" all the Americans that live in the USA now, but it was their choice to come right? Not repressing the Native Americans? Keeping them pent up in little "reservations," taking their land, thats not repression?
I already posted that America is not represing Indians NOW, u cnow whot TIME is? I had allready writen that there are ppl born in USA who have nothing to do whit represing on Indians and who have kids, so those kids should now pay for whot happeng in America centuries ago? Don't tell me that those are not obvious diferents, and i am not saing that this is not a problem but puting a = betvien those 2 situations is not fair becose of whot i had writen.
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We are not barbarians. There were always fags who claim we beat and killed Tibetans. The truth is we only execute the criminals because even as today the region is very chaotic. Chinese who migrant there could find themselves drag out of their beds at night and killed. The irony is, most of the Chinsese there are earning just as hard living as most Tibetans, most of them are teachers or builders.
I remember people were bitching how the Chinese government is torturing and humilating the fa lun gong followers. What the government did is simply arrest them and let them go later and detain the extreme ones because they were crazy enough to set themselves on fire. I don't care what title you give to that fag dalailama, the fact is, if he returns to tibet, he would live like a fucking king while sucking up his people's blood.
When i was back in China to visit my grandmother, i went to the Multi culture musemue in Shanghai. They still had features that displayed how during the old regime, Tibetan tribal leaders would skin his disobiedent servant alive as a way for luxury. And back in the old regime, the people of Tibet would have to make yearly or monthly offerings to their local monks, people who doesn't offer would recieve a undesireable fate.
I bet they didn't show that in your websites huh?
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On March 17 2005 15:14 haduken wrote:
We are not barbarians. There were always fags who claim we beat and killed Tibetans. The truth is we only execute the criminals because even as today the region is very chaotic. Chinese who migrant there could find themselves drag out of their beds at night and killed. The irony is, most of the Chinsese there are earning just as hard living as most Tibetans, most of them are teachers or builders.
I remember people were bitching how the Chinese government is torturing and humilating the fa lun gong followers. What the government did is simply arrest them and let them go later and detain the extreme ones because they were crazy enough to set themselves on fire. I don't care what title you give to that fag dalailama, the fact is, if he returns to tibet, he would live like a fucking king while sucking up his people's blood.
When i was back in China to visit my grandmother, i went to the Multi culture musemue in Shanghai. They still had features that displayed how during the old regime, Tibetan tribal leaders would skin his disobiedent servant alive as a way for luxury. And back in the old regime, the people of Tibet would have to make yearly or monthly offerings to their local monks, people who doesn't offer would recieve a undesireable fate.
I bet they didn't show that in your websites huh?
I rather belive fags like United Nashions, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch...
"people of Tibet would have to make yearly or monthly offerings to their local monks, people who doesn't offer would recieve a undesireable fate. "
So why there is report of this in ENY organisation that are fighting for human rights? U get that information from Chinise govermont. If theye are true why there was so little military in Tibet (%), that imposibole in country whit a reshime, according to history.
"Tibetan tribal leaders would skin his disobiedent servant alive as a way for luxury."
If that is true why there no report on that of eny Tibetians who leave Tibet when Chinise was taking it over? Why there are no reports in any organisation that are watching for human rights?
Why Chinise govermont didn't prove thise to show thise to world to justife?- If that is not good argument for u i don't cnow whot can be.
"What the government did is simply arrest them and let them go later and detain the extreme ones because they were crazy enough to set themselves on fire. "
They set on fire? Why they want so badly to protect they Tyranic ex Leaders?
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BTW: Tyranic Dalajlama is respected by every Tibetian i had meat in Poland, and they was never in govermont. If Dalajlama is so bad why he don't want ppl of Tibet to fight whit Chinise? Why govemronts of many country are respecting Dalajlama if he was tyranic leader? They have no iterest for Tibet to be free, there is a internashional court if China have any prove why they don't gove them to public, if China govermont would have any why he is hiding them? There are no proof of tyranic system that was 50 years ago? There was no proof when Chinise was taking over Tibet? If there was China could easlly put Dalajlama in internashionall court.
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Because this shtiz stop happening when we took over. No, you are wrong. Nobody respects Dalailama, they just treat him like some novelty monk. Yeah right, when Dalailama came to Melbourne, he dinned and slept at Hilton hotel and went shopping 3 days straight, sure he is a good leader. UN didn't do shits 50 years ago and they are sure not doing anything now, of course they are not going to tell you how Tibetans practically fuck themselves over in an never ending cult retardation.
I don't really understand your posts, can you edit them please?
Well, what is your point exactly. Tibet didn't even have a government before just about anything, the whole region used to be ruled by monks, effectively making it a big cult. These monks i mind you are not your typical buddist, they can eat meat, they can have wives, hell they can do just about anything that monks aren't suppose to do.
Again, the whole reason why the military are there is because the region is a big shithole, kinda like Chechneya. Taking them away won't solve any problems, it would just endanger the Tibetans and Chinese who already live there.
If you talk to any normal Chinese person, he would tell you that the Fa Lun Gong is retarded. Their leader is living the good life in America while his followers can starving themselves to death.
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Yeah, Fa Lun Gong is fucking crazy... I don't understand why the usa supports this sort of crap. Alot of members of the Fa Lun Gong are really fanatical. There are tons of cases of mass suicide, killings of family members, and other ridiculous crap. In one case, a guy's wife interrupted his meditation or whatever the hell they do, and he stabbed her to death with a kitchen knife and then calmly went back to praying. What the hell is that?
Anyways, if you think about it, why would the Chinese government allow Buddhism or Hinduism but pick on Fa Lun Gong/the Tibetans for no reason?
I already posted that America is not represing Indians NOW, u cnow whot TIME is? I had allready writen that there are ppl born in USA who have nothing to do whit represing on Indians and who have kids, so those kids should now pay for whot happeng in America centuries ago? Don't tell me that those are not obvious diferents, and i am not saing that this is not a problem but puting a = betvien those 2 situations is not fair becose of whot i had writen.
You're missing my point. The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily, but the USA still has their land, they're pent up in their little reservations and Indians are still in the bottom portion of the workforce. And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different.
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On March 17 2005 16:23 0_0 wrote:Show nested quote +
I already posted that America is not represing Indians NOW, u cnow whot TIME is? I had allready writen that there are ppl born in USA who have nothing to do whit represing on Indians and who have kids, so those kids should now pay for whot happeng in America centuries ago? Don't tell me that those are not obvious diferents, and i am not saing that this is not a problem but puting a = betvien those 2 situations is not fair becose of whot i had writen.
You're missing my point. The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily, but the USA still has their land, they're pent up in their little reservations and Indians are still in the bottom portion of the workforce. And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different.
"The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily" "And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different". You had answered yourself.
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On March 17 2005 16:08 haduken wrote:
Because this shtiz stop happening when we took over.
Yes and all ppl in Tibet got amnesia, i bet that Chinise govermont didn't want to show tyranic Tibetian govermont so they didn't took any evidence of breking human laws by Tibetian govermont before the war starts.
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On March 17 2005 16:08 haduken wrote:
If you talk to any normal Chinese person, he would tell you that the Fa Lun Gong is retarded. Their leader is living the good life in America while his followers can starving themselves to death.
He had to run, whot is so strange about it? If he would commit sueside he would be crazy fanatic right?
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On March 17 2005 16:08 haduken wrote:
Because this shtiz stop happening when we took over. No, you are wrong. Nobody respects Dalailama, they just treat him like some novelty monk. Yeah right, when Dalailama came to Melbourne, he dinned and slept at Hilton hotel and went shopping 3 days straight, sure he is a good leader. UN didn't do shits 50 years ago and they are sure not doing anything now, of course they are not going to tell you how Tibetans practically fuck themselves over in an never ending cult retardation.
Why not, the UN likes to shop whit Dalajlama so much?
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On March 17 2005 16:39 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 16:23 0_0 wrote:
I already posted that America is not represing Indians NOW, u cnow whot TIME is? I had allready writen that there are ppl born in USA who have nothing to do whit represing on Indians and who have kids, so those kids should now pay for whot happeng in America centuries ago? Don't tell me that those are not obvious diferents, and i am not saing that this is not a problem but puting a = betvien those 2 situations is not fair becose of whot i had writen.
You're missing my point. The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily, but the USA still has their land, they're pent up in their little reservations and Indians are still in the bottom portion of the workforce. And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different. "The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily" "And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different". You had answered yourself.
The Chinese government isn't spreading disease or whatever those settlers did to the Indians, they're keeping the calm. They aren't phyiscally abusing or killing any Tibetan civilians. If they were to leave I'm sure the Dali Lama would come back and set up his own theocracy and start abusing his power. Haven't you ever heard the phrase "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely?"
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On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote:
You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone.
Yeah, let's give the few hundred thousand (I dunno, less/more?) natives an entire fucking continent!
Because tibet is just as huge as the states, and would cause just as much damage should it be returned, and it happened just as long ago.
Get some perspective please 
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On March 17 2005 15:14 haduken wrote:
We are not barbarians. There were always fags who claim we beat and killed Tibetans. The truth is we only execute the criminals because even as today the region is very chaotic. Chinese who migrant there could find themselves drag out of their beds at night and killed. The irony is, most of the Chinsese there are earning just as hard living as most Tibetans, most of them are teachers or builders.
I remember people were bitching how the Chinese government is torturing and humilating the fa lun gong followers. What the government did is simply arrest them and let them go later and detain the extreme ones because they were crazy enough to set themselves on fire. I don't care what title you give to that fag dalailama, the fact is, if he returns to tibet, he would live like a fucking king while sucking up his people's blood.
When i was back in China to visit my grandmother, i went to the Multi culture musemue in Shanghai. They still had features that displayed how during the old regime, Tibetan tribal leaders would skin his disobiedent servant alive as a way for luxury. And back in the old regime, the people of Tibet would have to make yearly or monthly offerings to their local monks, people who doesn't offer would recieve a undesireable fate.
I bet they didn't show that in your websites huh?
You know, china is barbaric compared to sweden (in my hypothetical eyes).
I think that should entitle us to march in and kill your leaders.
No?
Really?
And btw, I think this issue is a bit close to home.. You seriously have no perspective --- I wouldn't trust a study on the holocaust done by a nazi.
I wouldn't trust a study on the swedish government done by the swedish government.. See what I'm saying?
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On March 17 2005 16:51 0_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 16:39 Polis wrote:On March 17 2005 16:23 0_0 wrote:
I already posted that America is not represing Indians NOW, u cnow whot TIME is? I had allready writen that there are ppl born in USA who have nothing to do whit represing on Indians and who have kids, so those kids should now pay for whot happeng in America centuries ago? Don't tell me that those are not obvious diferents, and i am not saing that this is not a problem but puting a = betvien those 2 situations is not fair becose of whot i had writen.
You're missing my point. The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily, but the USA still has their land, they're pent up in their little reservations and Indians are still in the bottom portion of the workforce. And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different. "The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily" "And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different". You had answered yourself. The Chinese government isn't spreading disease or whatever those settlers did to the Indians, they're keeping the calm. They aren't phyiscally abusing or killing any Tibetan civilians. If they were to leave I'm sure the Dali Lama would come back and set up his own theocracy and start abusing his power. Haven't you ever heard the phrase "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely?"
Chinise leader have no power? I already aksed haw is that posibole that Chinise govermont have no prove of tyranic Dalai Lama actions?
They aren't phyiscally abusing or killing any Tibetan civilians.:
http://www.phrusa.org/research/torture/tortib.html
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/01/29/china7123.html
There many more.
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On March 17 2005 16:23 0_0 wrote:Yeah, Fa Lun Gong is fucking crazy... I don't understand why the usa supports this sort of crap. Alot of members of the Fa Lun Gong are really fanatical. There are tons of cases of mass suicide, killings of family members, and other ridiculous crap. In one case, a guy's wife interrupted his meditation or whatever the hell they do, and he stabbed her to death with a kitchen knife and then calmly went back to praying. What the hell is that? Anyways, if you think about it, why would the Chinese government allow Buddhism or Hinduism but pick on Fa Lun Gong/the Tibetans for no reason? Show nested quote +
I already posted that America is not represing Indians NOW, u cnow whot TIME is? I had allready writen that there are ppl born in USA who have nothing to do whit represing on Indians and who have kids, so those kids should now pay for whot happeng in America centuries ago? Don't tell me that those are not obvious diferents, and i am not saing that this is not a problem but puting a = betvien those 2 situations is not fair becose of whot i had writen.
You're missing my point. The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily, but the USA still has their land, they're pent up in their little reservations and Indians are still in the bottom portion of the workforce. And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different.
If you've studied US foreign policy, you will realize that the US has a tendency to support governments (for example the dictatorship of Mexico during the early 1900's) that back US foreign policy.
As for the Indians/ US/ Tibet/ China analogy: Comparing the US to China is absolutely ridiculous. If we were to trace every single piece of land on the planet to its original owner, ALL BORDER LINES would be different. The only reason China is getting a hard time with the Tibet debate is because certain people feel Tibetans are being mistreated. Aside from the biased evidence, on the whole, the Chinese government is not suppressing Tibetans.
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On March 17 2005 16:52 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote:
You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone. Yeah, let's give the few hundred thousand (I dunno, less/more?) natives an entire fucking continent! Because tibet is just as huge as the states, and would cause just as much damage should it be returned, and it happened just as long ago. Get some perspective please
That's the "morally" right thing to do, and we're arguing about moral correctness here right? Whether its morally okay for China to keep occupying Tibet.
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On March 17 2005 17:22 0_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 16:52 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote:
You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone. Yeah, let's give the few hundred thousand (I dunno, less/more?) natives an entire fucking continent! Because tibet is just as huge as the states, and would cause just as much damage should it be returned, and it happened just as long ago. Get some perspective please That's the "morally" right thing to do, and we're arguing about moral correctness here right? Whether its morally okay for China to keep occupying Tibet.
"I had allready writen that there are ppl born in USA who have nothing to do whit represing on Indians and who have kids, so those kids should now pay for whot happeng in America centuries ago?" -this is not moral aspect? You really don't see a difrence betwien someting that is happening now, and whot can be done now about it, and betwien someting that happend centuries ago and whot can be done about it now?
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I'm going to stop arguing with you Polis until you edit your posts before you post them.
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On March 17 2005 17:22 0_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 16:52 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote:
You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone. Yeah, let's give the few hundred thousand (I dunno, less/more?) natives an entire fucking continent! Because tibet is just as huge as the states, and would cause just as much damage should it be returned, and it happened just as long ago. Get some perspective please That's the "morally" right thing to do, and we're arguing about moral correctness here right? Whether its morally okay for China to keep occupying Tibet.
No it is NOT the morally right thing to do.
The vast majority of todays americans HAD NOTHING to do with said slaughter, yet they would get effected in the extreme, should america be turned over to the few natives left.
North America = A HUGE FUCKING CONTINENT, CONQUERED A FEW HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
Tibet = A microscopic country, conquered a few decades ago.
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On March 17 2005 17:22 0_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 16:52 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote:
You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone. Yeah, let's give the few hundred thousand (I dunno, less/more?) natives an entire fucking continent! Because tibet is just as huge as the states, and would cause just as much damage should it be returned, and it happened just as long ago. Get some perspective please That's the "morally" right thing to do, and we're arguing about moral correctness here right? Whether its morally okay for China to keep occupying Tibet.
Yes, I'm sure moral structure has been the center behind every country's foreign policy.
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