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Korean Japanese
how about think you??
Kor,Jap everyday go into a dispute.. everyday fight.. first problem "Dokdo(Jap:Dakesima) and "Sea of Korea?=Sea of Japan?" very confusion..
(한글) 한국인과 일본인 어떻게 생각하십니까?? 한국과 일본은 매일 독도 영토 문제에 빠져있습니다..매일 싸웁니다.. 가장큰 문제는 독도입니다... 2005년은 한국과 일본의 "우정의 해"로 한국과 일본이 공동으로 정했습니다.. 지금 상황은 한국과 일본의 "2005 우정의 해"가 정말 우습게 되어버렸군요.. 그리고 한국의 오른쪽 울릉도와 독도부근을 동해라고 생각하십니까?? 일본해라고 생각하십니까?? 매우 혼란합니다.. -한국분들중에 영어 잘하시는분 부탁드려요^^-
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very confusion indeed. what do both sides want exactly?
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the japan side "Dokdo island japan a territory assertion" both two countries related degeneration
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United States33469 Posts
it would be nice if we could understand his posts
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hihi ohh this is so cute ><!
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Sweden33719 Posts
You are talking about that island right between kor and japan right? EDIT: Where japan wants to put up a military outpost or something like that? And it's a korean island historically?
Can't remember details ~!
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On March 10 2005 02:44 Waxangel wrote:it would be nice if we could understand his posts 
Let's try to interpret it! Basically,he wants our opinion on KOR-JAP issues, which includes a dispute about an island (?). =)
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United States33469 Posts
well I know what he means, but I'd rather see him squirm trying to make himself understandable
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On March 10 2005 02:48 Schnake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 02:44 Waxangel wrote:it would be nice if we could understand his posts  Let's try to interpret it!  Basically,he wants our opinion on KOR-JAP issues, which includes a dispute about an island (?). =) Yes, let's let the Germans settle the dispute. They have a way of taking care of country border related issues...
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Sweden33719 Posts
On March 10 2005 02:51 Waxangel wrote: well I know what he means, but I'd rather see him squirm trying to make himself understandable I think he is a she actually, but I can't remember if he/she answered when someone asked him/her if it was his/her picture in said persons profile!
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Well, The Japanese government don't just do this to Korea, they also are claiming soverign over "diao yu dao" island which isn't so far away from the islands of Taiwan. Frankly it is disgusting, but neither our government or "Taiwan" is doing anything about it for some reason. I hope Korea will win this dispute and teach the Japanese government that they are not the number one in Asia.
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On March 10 2005 02:51 Waxangel wrote: well I know what he means, but I'd rather see him squirm trying to make himself understandable
i think he's perfectly understandable with what he said, he just isn't offering a great amount of detail
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United States33469 Posts
that's true
japan and korea are fighting over control of some rocks between them
simple
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Alot of asian countries hate Japan for what they did during WWII..
Well... mainyl only 2, China and Korea but some people have gotten over the fact, that it is the past and its a new generation of people living in both socities and have gotten over it. And Korea/Japan share some attributes like the food, customs, style etc..
Still... there are some people who are unwilling to let this go and continue to hold a grudge against the Japanese
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and yet still... there are some japanese who are unwilling to let this go and continue to be a dick about it.
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France1270 Posts
Those "rocks" are very important for Japan, as they give them the rights on the surronding sea, making it a national fishing territory rather than international sea. Japan produces 12% of the fish worldwide. Japan's sea territoy is about 20 times its land superficy. Japan is in dispute with Russia for islands north of Hokaido that were annexed by Staline after WW2, Japan in dispute with Korea for some islands between them and about the name given to the Japan Sea, and Taiwan is in conflict with Japan for some islands southwest of Japan (Taiwan claims that those islands are geologicaly on the continent and so should belong to Taiwan). And yes Haduken, Taiwan is doing something about it.
Japanese are very nice people, but as a society they are tough as rock and don't make many friends with mainland countries. And what they did during WW2 and before that still matters to many people, as jjun212 said.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On March 10 2005 04:31 jjun212 wrote: Alot of asian countries hate Japan for what they did during WWII..
Well... mainyl only 2, China and Korea but some people have gotten over the fact, that it is the past and its a new generation of people living in both socities and have gotten over it. And Korea/Japan share some attributes like the food, customs, style etc..
Still... there are some people who are unwilling to let this go and continue to hold a grudge against the Japanese The filipino people aren't too fond of japan either I bet
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I was under the impression that Japan effectively ruled Korea for a while before WW2 as well, and so Korea has extra reason to dislike the Japanese. The Chinese obviously were also attacked some time before, but that was a more direct war...
Strange how France is now Germany's closest ally, and the UK one of its closest, and they were in much the same boat 50 years ago, though the Germans weren't anything like as fucked up in their occupation as the Japanese were... I guess the EU is good
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germans werent fucked up in the west, but their occupation of russia wasnt very nice.
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On March 10 2005 06:55 Yuljan wrote: germans werent fucked up in the west, but their occupation of russia wasnt very nice.
yeah but they got as good as they gave tho so fair's fair.
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On March 10 2005 02:52 Luhh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 02:48 Schnake wrote:On March 10 2005 02:44 Waxangel wrote:it would be nice if we could understand his posts  Let's try to interpret it!  Basically,he wants our opinion on KOR-JAP issues, which includes a dispute about an island (?). =) Yes, let's let the Germans settle the dispute. They have a way of taking care of country border related issues... 
Jag förstår inte riktigt. Är du snäll och förklarar lite? Vad menar du? -.-;
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On March 10 2005 02:54 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 02:51 Waxangel wrote: well I know what he means, but I'd rather see him squirm trying to make himself understandable I think he is a she actually, but I can't remember if he/she answered when someone asked him/her if it was his/her picture in said persons profile! lol, now something like this is really importen
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On March 10 2005 05:12 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 04:31 jjun212 wrote: Alot of asian countries hate Japan for what they did during WWII..
Well... mainyl only 2, China and Korea but some people have gotten over the fact, that it is the past and its a new generation of people living in both socities and have gotten over it. And Korea/Japan share some attributes like the food, customs, style etc..
Still... there are some people who are unwilling to let this go and continue to hold a grudge against the Japanese The filipino people aren't too fond of japan either I bet 
yes, some of us are not.
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As you can see it's an island between two countries. It was part of Korea before Korea became a colony of Japan. I am not too sure in history details but theres a conflict there which each country is claiming it's their land. Korean people get outraged whenever they hear japanese people say it's their land. Korean people get more outraged by the korean government for not showing strong action. I've heard the island is currently controlled by korean government and longer the koreans are there it will eventually be korean territory under international laws. This is the reason why korean government are staying calm and not doing any actions against japan who is claim it's their land.
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you guys have to pay attention to China . Chinese always want to conquer all country around them !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Japan don't got shit on Korea they always bring up the issue of Dok island periodically it is Korean territory, Koreans live on it and there's Korean police residing in that island no matter what kind of shit japan says about that island, all korea has to do is just sit and stay silent if korea were to replace the police with the military to assert that it is indeed korean territory, it just gives japan an excuse to increase their military budget... saying they feel threatened by military troops so close to their soils and shit like that no big deal...
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dont worry Japan doesnt have any army  wat about North Korea ? :D
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Damn, since it was one of jangsh's topics I was hoping he would post some pictures of a hot korean pop star.
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i'll be stationed in Okinawa soon, prolly be there by Nov, im excited
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It's somewhat amusing when you type something about Japan in your channel and a ton of "18 nom japan = dogs" pop up.
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On March 10 2005 04:28 Waxangel wrote: that's true
japan and korea are fighting over control of some rocks between them
simple
And you call yourself Korean >=)
On March 10 2005 04:31 jjun212 wrote: Alot of asian countries hate Japan for what they did during WWII..
Well... mainyl only 2, China and Korea but some people have gotten over the fact, that it is the past and its a new generation of people living in both socities and have gotten over it. And Korea/Japan share some attributes like the food, customs, style etc..
Still... there are some people who are unwilling to let this go and continue to hold a grudge against the Japanese
Korea and Japan share many attributes like food, customs, martial arts, pottery, etc because the majority of it was stolen by the Japanese and modified. I.E. Karate, their type of Kimchi, among other things.
Don't get me wrong though, I love Japanese culture and want to master the language one day. Just saying, that in the past they did make some huge mistakes to my people.
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On March 10 2005 03:08 haduken wrote: Well, The Japanese government don't just do this to Korea, they also are claiming soverign over "diao yu dao" island which isn't so far away from the islands of Taiwan. Frankly it is disgusting, but neither our government or "Taiwan" is doing anything about it for some reason. I hope Korea will win this dispute and teach the Japanese government that they are not the number one in Asia.
Well, they are not, they just got into another recession.
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On March 10 2005 12:25 CyuntiyuL wrote: Damn, since it was one of jangsh's topics I was hoping he would post some pictures of a hot korean pop star.
hmm... no?? sorry T-T
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On March 10 2005 13:12 Ack1027 wrote:] Korea and Japan share many attributes like food, customs, martial arts, pottery, etc because the majority of it was stolen by the Japanese and modified. I.E. Karate, their type of Kimchi, among other things.
Korea didnt invent these things . Customs , martial arts , pottery ... all came from China . Chinese culture has a very great Influence in this area .
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On March 10 2005 13:35 ssidengi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 12:25 CyuntiyuL wrote: Damn, since it was one of jangsh's topics I was hoping he would post some pictures of a hot korean pop star. hmm... no?? sorry T-T
she is so ugly . I believe there are much better korean star
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I second that. She should not be on TV.
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oOo I like to think of Jangsh as a lovable 6 year old making posts while straining really hard to come up with the english words:D
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On March 10 2005 13:52 Final Heaven wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 13:12 Ack1027 wrote:] Korea and Japan share many attributes like food, customs, martial arts, pottery, etc because the majority of it was stolen by the Japanese and modified. I.E. Karate, their type of Kimchi, among other things.
Korea didnt invent these things . Customs , martial arts , pottery ... all came from China . Chinese culture has a very great Influence in this area .
Although Korea did adopt many things from Chinese culture due to their proximity, especially during the 3 major Korean dynasties, there are definitely certain things that Japan stole from Korea. A big example is Kimchi, and there is no way you can argue that kimchi was made in China.
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On March 10 2005 13:52 Final Heaven wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 13:12 Ack1027 wrote:] Korea and Japan share many attributes like food, customs, martial arts, pottery, etc because the majority of it was stolen by the Japanese and modified. I.E. Karate, their type of Kimchi, among other things.
Korea didnt invent these things . Customs , martial arts , pottery ... all came from China . Chinese culture has a very great Influence in this area .
You seriously don't kno what you are talking about. Even with the Chinese influence, alot of martial and art styles actually originated in Korea then gradually made its way to China and Japan.
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On March 10 2005 11:24 Final Heaven wrote: you guys have to pay attention to China . Chinese always want to conquer all country around them !!!!!!!!!!!!!
... When have we ever conquered anything except for our own?
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On March 10 2005 12:22 Final Heaven wrote:dont worry Japan doesnt have any army  wat about North Korea ? :D
Wrong again, Japan recently made quite a few consitutional changes that could pave a road to finally re claiming their "army" and they've always had military arms called self defense forces which mind you is more equiped and funded than most asian countries and regions except for China, Taiwan and Korea.
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[QUOTE]On March 10 2005 13:35 ssidengi wrote: [QUOTE]On March 10 2005 12:25 CyuntiyuL wrote: Damn, since it was one of jangsh's topics I was hoping he would post some pictures of a hot korean pop star.[/QUOTE]
Hmm, She was in a movie called Natural city...
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On March 10 2005 13:52 Final Heaven wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 13:12 Ack1027 wrote:] Korea and Japan share many attributes like food, customs, martial arts, pottery, etc because the majority of it was stolen by the Japanese and modified. I.E. Karate, their type of Kimchi, among other things.
Korea didnt invent these things . Customs , martial arts , pottery ... all came from China . Chinese culture has a very great Influence in this area .
Taekwondo, traditional clothing, and special pottery [ Among other things ] belongs solely to Korea. I agree that China does/did have a great influence on Asia but it doesn't change the fact that things like culture, food, customs, ideals were stolen by Japanese.
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mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
all the fucking asians stole everything from fucking each other and claimed it as their own and all the fucking asians guard it with unparalleled jealousy and zealousy. its a goddamn multi-national culture fuck-fest.
that said, i proclaim that everything good in asia came from korea and everything shitty came from china and japan AHAHAH no.
joking and such shit aside, yea the island may be a piece of rock in the middle of some 65 million square miles worth of ocean, but this piece of rock happened to be between two countries with some real big grudges (predating world war 2, really), populated by a large number of people who really don't forget about grudges (at least on the mainland side).
once again, that said, the current korean government pisses the shit out of me with its hardcore corruption and latency. and don't get me started on the president.
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I hope that people in TeamLiquid should know what Japan did to Korea during their occupation. 1) They tried to get rid of Korean language. They banned use of Koreans at that time. Our old generation still uses some Japanese words. That sounds horrible. Our grandfathers and grandmothers can't escape from the language habit. If the occupation had lasted some more decades, I'm afraid Koreans could lose the language. 2) Japaneses took Korean, Chinese (including Russian) women and made them prostitues for Japanese army. Do you understand? The innocent women had to have sex with Japanese soldiers for them to relieve their sexual desire! This was huge crime to human history. The suffered ladies still survive but they are dying without any repayment from Japan. 3) Current Japan prime minister visited a temple and bow to the Japaneses who started the War . This is a definite symbol that Japan doesn't regret the war they broke out; and in addition it looks like they praise it. It's so horrible that Korean and China government showed strong opposition to the behaviour.
After knowing this, you may understand more clearly why Koreans outraged at Japanese's declaration of the current Korean territory as theirs. They don't say 'I'm sorry' officially in terms of polical / economical way by hearts. (I can't find right expression for this.) Even, what they're doing is trying to take Koreans territory to theirs!
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Sweden33719 Posts
On March 16 2005 18:06 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 13:52 Final Heaven wrote:On March 10 2005 13:12 Ack1027 wrote:] Korea and Japan share many attributes like food, customs, martial arts, pottery, etc because the majority of it was stolen by the Japanese and modified. I.E. Karate, their type of Kimchi, among other things.
Korea didnt invent these things . Customs , martial arts , pottery ... all came from China . Chinese culture has a very great Influence in this area . Taekwondo, traditional clothing, and special pottery [ Among other things ] belongs solely to Korea. I agree that China does/did have a great influence on Asia but it doesn't change the fact that things like culture, food, customs, ideals were stolen by Japanese. Tae Kwon Do was VERY influenced by japanese karate (whiiiich of course was heavily influenced by chinese martial arts, which in turn were even more so influenced by indian martial arts.. and they were influenced by GREECE MARTIAL ARTS like pankratium through Alexander the Great.. yeah), please do not say otherwise. If you want to be proud of korean martial arts, be proud of taek kyon, ssirum etc
Haedong kumdo is supposedly pretty korean as well.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On March 10 2005 13:52 Final Heaven wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 13:12 Ack1027 wrote:] Korea and Japan share many attributes like food, customs, martial arts, pottery, etc because the majority of it was stolen by the Japanese and modified. I.E. Karate, their type of Kimchi, among other things.
Korea didnt invent these things . Customs , martial arts , pottery ... all came from China . Chinese culture has a very great Influence in this area . India influenced you. Greece influenced India. Greece was influenced by whoever. Korea influenced you. You influenced Korea. You influenced Japan. EDIT: So as to not start a gigantic flame war: Japan influenced you Japan influenced Korea Korea influenced Japan
*Phew*
Countries will influence eachother. I think us nordic countries should start up shit about who invented what and influenced who the most =[
Yes, horrible shit happened, yes an apology wouldn't be wrong, no you can't beat up japanese tourists ( )!!!
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United States12237 Posts
On March 10 2005 02:51 Waxangel wrote: well I know what he means, but I'd rather see him squirm trying to make himself understandable
This will henceforth be known as the "lovehis clause".
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On March 10 2005 02:52 Luhh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 02:48 Schnake wrote:On March 10 2005 02:44 Waxangel wrote:it would be nice if we could understand his posts  Let's try to interpret it!  Basically,he wants our opinion on KOR-JAP issues, which includes a dispute about an island (?). =) Yes, let's let the Germans settle the dispute. They have a way of taking care of country border related issues... 
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL POST OF THE YEAR?
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On March 16 2005 18:36 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2005 18:06 Ack1027 wrote:On March 10 2005 13:52 Final Heaven wrote:On March 10 2005 13:12 Ack1027 wrote:] Korea and Japan share many attributes like food, customs, martial arts, pottery, etc because the majority of it was stolen by the Japanese and modified. I.E. Karate, their type of Kimchi, among other things.
Korea didnt invent these things . Customs , martial arts , pottery ... all came from China . Chinese culture has a very great Influence in this area . Taekwondo, traditional clothing, and special pottery [ Among other things ] belongs solely to Korea. I agree that China does/did have a great influence on Asia but it doesn't change the fact that things like culture, food, customs, ideals were stolen by Japanese. Tae Kwon Do was VERY influenced by japanese karate (whiiiich of course was heavily influenced by chinese martial arts, which in turn were even more so influenced by indian martial arts.. and they were influenced by GREECE MARTIAL ARTS like pankratium through Alexander the Great.. yeah), please do not say otherwise. If you want to be proud of korean martial arts, be proud of taek kyon, ssirum etc Haedong kumdo is supposedly pretty korean as well.
Ssirum is wrestling...
OMGGREEK!?!?!
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mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
On March 16 2005 18:42 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 13:52 Final Heaven wrote:On March 10 2005 13:12 Ack1027 wrote:] Korea and Japan share many attributes like food, customs, martial arts, pottery, etc because the majority of it was stolen by the Japanese and modified. I.E. Karate, their type of Kimchi, among other things.
Korea didnt invent these things . Customs , martial arts , pottery ... all came from China . Chinese culture has a very great Influence in this area . India influenced you. Greece influenced India. Greece was influenced by whoever. Korea influenced you. You influenced Korea. You influenced Japan. EDIT: So as to not start a gigantic flame war: Japan influenced you Japan influenced Korea Korea influenced Japan *Phew* Countries will influence eachother. I think us nordic countries should start up shit about who invented what and influenced who the most =[ Yes, horrible shit happened, yes an apology wouldn't be wrong, no you can't beat up japanese tourists (  )!!!
you stole our primordial soup.
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jangsh makes the funniest posts ever.
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next thing u know...
Nuclear Launch Detected
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Theres only one way to settle it..........
Rock paper sissors :D
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On March 10 2005 02:46 chicken` wrote: hihi ohh this is so cute ><!
Yes, people failing at the English language is so cute.
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On March 16 2005 20:03 Yin wrote: next thing u know...
Nuclear Launch Detected
You are original^_^_^_^_^ !!!!
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On March 10 2005 13:55 Final Heaven wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 13:35 ssidengi wrote:On March 10 2005 12:25 CyuntiyuL wrote: Damn, since it was one of jangsh's topics I was hoping he would post some pictures of a hot korean pop star. ttp://img13.exs.cx/img13/9976/12ug.jpg hmm... no?? sorry T-T she is so ugly . I believe there are much better korean star 
Lim Soo Jung is so cute and popular..she's the star of one of the most famous drama out right now "Mi Ahn Ha Da, Sa Rang Han Da" (I'm sorry, I Love you). NaDa loves this drama btw ^^
Her nose is very pretty i think. I just think those pictures aren't good...every celebrity will have good and bad pictures ^^. Personally i like Gong Hyo Jin, not many guys like her for some reason..but that's better for me isnt it?
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Sweden33719 Posts
On March 16 2005 19:19 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2005 18:36 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 16 2005 18:06 Ack1027 wrote:On March 10 2005 13:52 Final Heaven wrote:On March 10 2005 13:12 Ack1027 wrote:] Korea and Japan share many attributes like food, customs, martial arts, pottery, etc because the majority of it was stolen by the Japanese and modified. I.E. Karate, their type of Kimchi, among other things.
Korea didnt invent these things . Customs , martial arts , pottery ... all came from China . Chinese culture has a very great Influence in this area . Taekwondo, traditional clothing, and special pottery [ Among other things ] belongs solely to Korea. I agree that China does/did have a great influence on Asia but it doesn't change the fact that things like culture, food, customs, ideals were stolen by Japanese. Tae Kwon Do was VERY influenced by japanese karate (whiiiich of course was heavily influenced by chinese martial arts, which in turn were even more so influenced by indian martial arts.. and they were influenced by GREECE MARTIAL ARTS like pankratium through Alexander the Great.. yeah), please do not say otherwise. If you want to be proud of korean martial arts, be proud of taek kyon, ssirum etc Haedong kumdo is supposedly pretty korean as well. Ssirum is wrestling... OMGGREEK!?!?! OMGHUMAN!11111111111 I dont think there is a nation on earth that doens't have wrestling ~_~
Ssirum is korean.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On March 16 2005 19:50 mrmin123 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2005 18:42 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 10 2005 13:52 Final Heaven wrote:On March 10 2005 13:12 Ack1027 wrote:] Korea and Japan share many attributes like food, customs, martial arts, pottery, etc because the majority of it was stolen by the Japanese and modified. I.E. Karate, their type of Kimchi, among other things.
Korea didnt invent these things . Customs , martial arts , pottery ... all came from China . Chinese culture has a very great Influence in this area . India influenced you. Greece influenced India. Greece was influenced by whoever. Korea influenced you. You influenced Korea. You influenced Japan. EDIT: So as to not start a gigantic flame war: Japan influenced you Japan influenced Korea Korea influenced Japan *Phew* Countries will influence eachother. I think us nordic countries should start up shit about who invented what and influenced who the most =[ Yes, horrible shit happened, yes an apology wouldn't be wrong, no you can't beat up japanese tourists (  )!!! you stole our primordial soup. Yes we did mother fuckers and we are damn proud of it too!!111111111 We also stole all your women, burned down your monasteries, forced our language upon you yadayadayada ;d
Oh right. That's the UK! Viking mentality gogo. Oh and finland. And norway sort of (dunno about the language though). And the original swedish (well, nordic) population, dont know how it's written in english but the 'same's? ;P
Also the danes for example, did the same to us
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On March 10 2005 14:43 haduken wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 11:24 Final Heaven wrote: you guys have to pay attention to China . Chinese always want to conquer all country around them !!!!!!!!!!!!! ... When have we ever conquered anything except for our own?
Haw do u define your own? China is occupating Tibet, some history of Tibet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet
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On March 17 2005 04:07 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2005 14:43 haduken wrote:On March 10 2005 11:24 Final Heaven wrote: you guys have to pay attention to China . Chinese always want to conquer all country around them !!!!!!!!!!!!! ... When have we ever conquered anything except for our own? Haw do u define your own? China is occupating Tibet, some history of Tibet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet
You can say that we toke over the land. Contray to what you believe, our presence there actually helped the region by disbalancing what was a tyranic tribal system and introducing modern sociology etc. If you know anything about the regional issues, you would know that the history of Tibet are so interwebed with my nation that they were indopted into the borders as early as Tang dynasty.
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On March 17 2005 04:27 haduken wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 04:07 Polis wrote:On March 10 2005 14:43 haduken wrote:On March 10 2005 11:24 Final Heaven wrote: you guys have to pay attention to China . Chinese always want to conquer all country around them !!!!!!!!!!!!! ... When have we ever conquered anything except for our own? Haw do u define your own? China is occupating Tibet, some history of Tibet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet You can say that we toke over the land. Contray to what you believe, our presence there actually helped the region by disbalancing what was a tyranic tribal system and introducing modern sociology etc. If you know anything about the regional issues, you would know that the history of Tibet are so interwebed with my nation that they were indopted into the borders as early as Tang dynasty.
http://www.freetibet.org/info/facts/fact3.html -some of china modern sociology, system in Tibet wasn't tyranic there are no reports of breking human laws in any internashional organisation as far i cnow.
http://www.freetibet.org/info/facts/fact15.html Tibet is very old country that have distinct cultural, religious, linguistic and ethnic identity. Tibet lands belong to China becose of union that was before 10th sentury betwen 2 suverent countries? Or maybe becose it was occupited by Mongolians: "Tibet and China both came under the political influence of the Mongols far from indicates unification of the two countries, though. Northern Burma, North Vietnam, Korea and large areas of Siberia were likewise all part of the vast Mongol Empire, yet none are claimed by Beijing today."?
If we fallow that standarts there should be war in europe becose every country would want to take their "own".
China is occupaiting country that was suverent, China is not respecting human laws in Tibet. According to your standarts of "owning" there should be war in europe becose every countr could claim that part or hole of other country/s belongs to them.
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do south koreans & japanese actually like each other or not? i remember seeing a movie about a korean in japan & he had to face discrimination. i kinda like both countries... mainly because they do awesome movies :p ^^
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On March 17 2005 05:36 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 04:27 haduken wrote:On March 17 2005 04:07 Polis wrote:On March 10 2005 14:43 haduken wrote:On March 10 2005 11:24 Final Heaven wrote: you guys have to pay attention to China . Chinese always want to conquer all country around them !!!!!!!!!!!!! ... When have we ever conquered anything except for our own? Haw do u define your own? China is occupating Tibet, some history of Tibet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet You can say that we toke over the land. Contray to what you believe, our presence there actually helped the region by disbalancing what was a tyranic tribal system and introducing modern sociology etc. If you know anything about the regional issues, you would know that the history of Tibet are so interwebed with my nation that they were indopted into the borders as early as Tang dynasty. http://www.freetibet.org/info/facts/fact3.html -some of china modern sociology, system in Tibet wasn't tyranic there are no reports of breking human laws in any internashional organisation as far i cnow. http://www.freetibet.org/info/facts/fact15.html Tibet is very old country that have distinct cultural, religious, linguistic and ethnic identity. Tibet lands belong to China becose of union that was before 10th sentury betwen 2 suverent countries? Or maybe becose it was occupited by Mongolians: "Tibet and China both came under the political influence of the Mongols far from indicates unification of the two countries, though. Northern Burma, North Vietnam, Korea and large areas of Siberia were likewise all part of the vast Mongol Empire, yet none are claimed by Beijing today."? If we fallow that standarts there should be war in europe becose every country would want to take their "own". China is occupaiting country that was suverent, China is not respecting human laws in Tibet. According to your standarts of "owning" there should be war in europe becose every countr could claim that part or hole of other country/s belongs to them.
"freetibet.org" I'm sure thats such an unbiased source eh?
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On March 17 2005 06:23 0_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 05:36 Polis wrote:On March 17 2005 04:27 haduken wrote:On March 17 2005 04:07 Polis wrote:On March 10 2005 14:43 haduken wrote:On March 10 2005 11:24 Final Heaven wrote: you guys have to pay attention to China . Chinese always want to conquer all country around them !!!!!!!!!!!!! ... When have we ever conquered anything except for our own? Haw do u define your own? China is occupating Tibet, some history of Tibet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet You can say that we toke over the land. Contray to what you believe, our presence there actually helped the region by disbalancing what was a tyranic tribal system and introducing modern sociology etc. If you know anything about the regional issues, you would know that the history of Tibet are so interwebed with my nation that they were indopted into the borders as early as Tang dynasty. http://www.freetibet.org/info/facts/fact3.html -some of china modern sociology, system in Tibet wasn't tyranic there are no reports of breking human laws in any internashional organisation as far i cnow. http://www.freetibet.org/info/facts/fact15.html Tibet is very old country that have distinct cultural, religious, linguistic and ethnic identity. Tibet lands belong to China becose of union that was before 10th sentury betwen 2 suverent countries? Or maybe becose it was occupited by Mongolians: "Tibet and China both came under the political influence of the Mongols far from indicates unification of the two countries, though. Northern Burma, North Vietnam, Korea and large areas of Siberia were likewise all part of the vast Mongol Empire, yet none are claimed by Beijing today."? If we fallow that standarts there should be war in europe becose every country would want to take their "own". China is occupaiting country that was suverent, China is not respecting human laws in Tibet. According to your standarts of "owning" there should be war in europe becose every countr could claim that part or hole of other country/s belongs to them. "freetibet.org" I'm sure thats such an unbiased source eh? 
They got reports form UN u could check it, not base on adres only.
http://www.hrea.org/erc/Library/monitoring/HFHR/6-UN-CommHR.html
After litle google u could notice that only chinise ambasady webside clame that in Tibet China respect human laws.
Amnesty International: http://www.unpo.org/news_detail.php?arg=52&par=672
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jangsh is the cutest person on TL.net by a large margin
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On March 17 2005 05:43 derBonobo wrote: do south koreans & japanese actually like each other or not? NO?
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On March 16 2005 18:17 mrmin123 wrote: all the fucking asians stole everything from fucking each other and claimed it as their own and all the fucking asians guard it with unparalleled jealousy and zealousy. its a goddamn multi-national culture fuck-fest.
I wish more koreans knew this
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On March 17 2005 09:53 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 05:43 derBonobo wrote: do south koreans & japanese actually like each other or not? NO? during WW 2 Japanese soilders raped thousands of Chineses and Korean women . Thats why until now the hatred still remain .
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why why you guys complaining about Tibet's freedom anyway ? Remember that Americans took over their land from the Indians as well .
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On March 17 2005 12:31 Final Heaven wrote: why why you guys complaining about Tibet's freedom anyway ? Remember that Americans took over their land from the Indians as well .
It was centuries ago, not many Indians left nad u can't say that America is represing Indians now, and yes it don't mean that Americans wasn't represing Indians back then. If now some country would use black man as slaves u would say: why u complaing, America had black slaves too? If someting bad hapend in history it don't give anybady permishon to do the same. China agresion whos in 1949 there are many peaceful ways to suport Tibet, making olimpic in China is not one of them.
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On March 17 2005 12:47 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 12:31 Final Heaven wrote: why why you guys complaining about Tibet's freedom anyway ? Remember that Americans took over their land from the Indians as well . It was centuries ago, not many Indians left nad u can't say that America is represing Indians now, and yes it don't mean that Americans wasn't represing Indians back then. If now some country would use black man as slaves u would say: why u complaing, America had black slaves too? If someting bad hapend in history it don't give anybady permishon to do the same. China agresion whos in 1949 there are many peaceful ways to suport Tibet, making olimpic in China is not one of them.
yeah you know why there is not many Indians left . Because Americans killed the shit out of them 2 centuries ago . and from what i heard Americans attacked Mexicans as well so the southern part of America uesed to belong to Mexicans . like you said , Tibet used to be the part of China centuries ago . Let it be ! p/s : I am not Chinese !
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No Tibet wasn't part of China centuries ago. China is breaking human laws now, whot can u do for Indians or mexicans that leaved centuries ago?
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You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone.
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On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote: You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone.
1)But that would be against all the Americans that live now in America and that didn't even exist when that was happening. 2)America is not represing Indians.
According to your logic if Germany would took over France or Poland they should not be stoped becose Americans took over America from Indians.
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On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote: You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone.
I was refering to represhions.
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On March 17 2005 13:26 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote: You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone. 1)But that would be against all the Americans that live now in America and that didn't even exist when that was happening. 2)America is not represing Indians. According to your logic if Germany would took over France or Poland they should not be stoped becose Americans took over America from Indians.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying you and the US government are setting double standards. If you're going to take away Tibet, you might as well as cut up the USA, after all, they're on other people's land too. Yes, it would be "against" all the Americans that live in the USA now, but it was their choice to come right? Not repressing the Native Americans? Keeping them pent up in little "reservations," taking their land, thats not repression?
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On March 17 2005 14:34 0_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 13:26 Polis wrote:On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote: You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone. 1)But that would be against all the Americans that live now in America and that didn't even exist when that was happening. 2)America is not represing Indians. According to your logic if Germany would took over France or Poland they should not be stoped becose Americans took over America from Indians. I'm not saying that. I'm saying you and the US government are setting double standards. If you're going to take away Tibet, you might as well as cut up the USA, after all, they're on other people's land too. Yes, it would be "against" all the Americans that live in the USA now, but it was their choice to come right? Not repressing the Native Americans? Keeping them pent up in little "reservations," taking their land, thats not repression?
I already posted that America is not represing Indians NOW, u cnow whot TIME is? I had allready writen that there are ppl born in USA who have nothing to do whit represing on Indians and who have kids, so those kids should now pay for whot happeng in America centuries ago? Don't tell me that those are not obvious diferents, and i am not saing that this is not a problem but puting a = betvien those 2 situations is not fair becose of whot i had writen.
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We are not barbarians. There were always fags who claim we beat and killed Tibetans. The truth is we only execute the criminals because even as today the region is very chaotic. Chinese who migrant there could find themselves drag out of their beds at night and killed. The irony is, most of the Chinsese there are earning just as hard living as most Tibetans, most of them are teachers or builders.
I remember people were bitching how the Chinese government is torturing and humilating the fa lun gong followers. What the government did is simply arrest them and let them go later and detain the extreme ones because they were crazy enough to set themselves on fire. I don't care what title you give to that fag dalailama, the fact is, if he returns to tibet, he would live like a fucking king while sucking up his people's blood. When i was back in China to visit my grandmother, i went to the Multi culture musemue in Shanghai. They still had features that displayed how during the old regime, Tibetan tribal leaders would skin his disobiedent servant alive as a way for luxury. And back in the old regime, the people of Tibet would have to make yearly or monthly offerings to their local monks, people who doesn't offer would recieve a undesireable fate. I bet they didn't show that in your websites huh?
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On March 17 2005 15:14 haduken wrote: We are not barbarians. There were always fags who claim we beat and killed Tibetans. The truth is we only execute the criminals because even as today the region is very chaotic. Chinese who migrant there could find themselves drag out of their beds at night and killed. The irony is, most of the Chinsese there are earning just as hard living as most Tibetans, most of them are teachers or builders.
I remember people were bitching how the Chinese government is torturing and humilating the fa lun gong followers. What the government did is simply arrest them and let them go later and detain the extreme ones because they were crazy enough to set themselves on fire. I don't care what title you give to that fag dalailama, the fact is, if he returns to tibet, he would live like a fucking king while sucking up his people's blood. When i was back in China to visit my grandmother, i went to the Multi culture musemue in Shanghai. They still had features that displayed how during the old regime, Tibetan tribal leaders would skin his disobiedent servant alive as a way for luxury. And back in the old regime, the people of Tibet would have to make yearly or monthly offerings to their local monks, people who doesn't offer would recieve a undesireable fate. I bet they didn't show that in your websites huh?
I rather belive fags like United Nashions, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch...
"people of Tibet would have to make yearly or monthly offerings to their local monks, people who doesn't offer would recieve a undesireable fate. " So why there is report of this in ENY organisation that are fighting for human rights? U get that information from Chinise govermont. If theye are true why there was so little military in Tibet (%), that imposibole in country whit a reshime, according to history.
"Tibetan tribal leaders would skin his disobiedent servant alive as a way for luxury." If that is true why there no report on that of eny Tibetians who leave Tibet when Chinise was taking it over? Why there are no reports in any organisation that are watching for human rights? Why Chinise govermont didn't prove thise to show thise to world to justife?- If that is not good argument for u i don't cnow whot can be.
"What the government did is simply arrest them and let them go later and detain the extreme ones because they were crazy enough to set themselves on fire. " They set on fire? Why they want so badly to protect they Tyranic ex Leaders?
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BTW: Tyranic Dalajlama is respected by every Tibetian i had meat in Poland, and they was never in govermont. If Dalajlama is so bad why he don't want ppl of Tibet to fight whit Chinise? Why govemronts of many country are respecting Dalajlama if he was tyranic leader? They have no iterest for Tibet to be free, there is a internashional court if China have any prove why they don't gove them to public, if China govermont would have any why he is hiding them? There are no proof of tyranic system that was 50 years ago? There was no proof when Chinise was taking over Tibet? If there was China could easlly put Dalajlama in internashionall court.
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Because this shtiz stop happening when we took over. No, you are wrong. Nobody respects Dalailama, they just treat him like some novelty monk. Yeah right, when Dalailama came to Melbourne, he dinned and slept at Hilton hotel and went shopping 3 days straight, sure he is a good leader. UN didn't do shits 50 years ago and they are sure not doing anything now, of course they are not going to tell you how Tibetans practically fuck themselves over in an never ending cult retardation.
I don't really understand your posts, can you edit them please? Well, what is your point exactly. Tibet didn't even have a government before just about anything, the whole region used to be ruled by monks, effectively making it a big cult. These monks i mind you are not your typical buddist, they can eat meat, they can have wives, hell they can do just about anything that monks aren't suppose to do. Again, the whole reason why the military are there is because the region is a big shithole, kinda like Chechneya. Taking them away won't solve any problems, it would just endanger the Tibetans and Chinese who already live there.
If you talk to any normal Chinese person, he would tell you that the Fa Lun Gong is retarded. Their leader is living the good life in America while his followers can starving themselves to death.
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Yeah, Fa Lun Gong is fucking crazy... I don't understand why the usa supports this sort of crap. Alot of members of the Fa Lun Gong are really fanatical. There are tons of cases of mass suicide, killings of family members, and other ridiculous crap. In one case, a guy's wife interrupted his meditation or whatever the hell they do, and he stabbed her to death with a kitchen knife and then calmly went back to praying. What the hell is that?
Anyways, if you think about it, why would the Chinese government allow Buddhism or Hinduism but pick on Fa Lun Gong/the Tibetans for no reason?
I already posted that America is not represing Indians NOW, u cnow whot TIME is? I had allready writen that there are ppl born in USA who have nothing to do whit represing on Indians and who have kids, so those kids should now pay for whot happeng in America centuries ago? Don't tell me that those are not obvious diferents, and i am not saing that this is not a problem but puting a = betvien those 2 situations is not fair becose of whot i had writen.
You're missing my point. The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily, but the USA still has their land, they're pent up in their little reservations and Indians are still in the bottom portion of the workforce. And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different.
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On March 17 2005 16:23 0_0 wrote:Show nested quote + I already posted that America is not represing Indians NOW, u cnow whot TIME is? I had allready writen that there are ppl born in USA who have nothing to do whit represing on Indians and who have kids, so those kids should now pay for whot happeng in America centuries ago? Don't tell me that those are not obvious diferents, and i am not saing that this is not a problem but puting a = betvien those 2 situations is not fair becose of whot i had writen.
You're missing my point. The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily, but the USA still has their land, they're pent up in their little reservations and Indians are still in the bottom portion of the workforce. And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different.
"The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily" "And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different". You had answered yourself.
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On March 17 2005 16:08 haduken wrote: Because this shtiz stop happening when we took over.
Yes and all ppl in Tibet got amnesia, i bet that Chinise govermont didn't want to show tyranic Tibetian govermont so they didn't took any evidence of breking human laws by Tibetian govermont before the war starts.
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On March 17 2005 16:08 haduken wrote: If you talk to any normal Chinese person, he would tell you that the Fa Lun Gong is retarded. Their leader is living the good life in America while his followers can starving themselves to death.
He had to run, whot is so strange about it? If he would commit sueside he would be crazy fanatic right?
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On March 17 2005 16:08 haduken wrote: Because this shtiz stop happening when we took over. No, you are wrong. Nobody respects Dalailama, they just treat him like some novelty monk. Yeah right, when Dalailama came to Melbourne, he dinned and slept at Hilton hotel and went shopping 3 days straight, sure he is a good leader. UN didn't do shits 50 years ago and they are sure not doing anything now, of course they are not going to tell you how Tibetans practically fuck themselves over in an never ending cult retardation.
Why not, the UN likes to shop whit Dalajlama so much?
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On March 17 2005 16:39 Polis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 16:23 0_0 wrote: I already posted that America is not represing Indians NOW, u cnow whot TIME is? I had allready writen that there are ppl born in USA who have nothing to do whit represing on Indians and who have kids, so those kids should now pay for whot happeng in America centuries ago? Don't tell me that those are not obvious diferents, and i am not saing that this is not a problem but puting a = betvien those 2 situations is not fair becose of whot i had writen.
You're missing my point. The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily, but the USA still has their land, they're pent up in their little reservations and Indians are still in the bottom portion of the workforce. And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different. "The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily" "And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different". You had answered yourself.
The Chinese government isn't spreading disease or whatever those settlers did to the Indians, they're keeping the calm. They aren't phyiscally abusing or killing any Tibetan civilians. If they were to leave I'm sure the Dali Lama would come back and set up his own theocracy and start abusing his power. Haven't you ever heard the phrase "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely?"
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On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote: You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone. Yeah, let's give the few hundred thousand (I dunno, less/more?) natives an entire fucking continent! Because tibet is just as huge as the states, and would cause just as much damage should it be returned, and it happened just as long ago.
Get some perspective please
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On March 17 2005 15:14 haduken wrote: We are not barbarians. There were always fags who claim we beat and killed Tibetans. The truth is we only execute the criminals because even as today the region is very chaotic. Chinese who migrant there could find themselves drag out of their beds at night and killed. The irony is, most of the Chinsese there are earning just as hard living as most Tibetans, most of them are teachers or builders.
I remember people were bitching how the Chinese government is torturing and humilating the fa lun gong followers. What the government did is simply arrest them and let them go later and detain the extreme ones because they were crazy enough to set themselves on fire. I don't care what title you give to that fag dalailama, the fact is, if he returns to tibet, he would live like a fucking king while sucking up his people's blood. When i was back in China to visit my grandmother, i went to the Multi culture musemue in Shanghai. They still had features that displayed how during the old regime, Tibetan tribal leaders would skin his disobiedent servant alive as a way for luxury. And back in the old regime, the people of Tibet would have to make yearly or monthly offerings to their local monks, people who doesn't offer would recieve a undesireable fate. I bet they didn't show that in your websites huh? You know, china is barbaric compared to sweden (in my hypothetical eyes). I think that should entitle us to march in and kill your leaders. No? Really?
And btw, I think this issue is a bit close to home.. You seriously have no perspective --- I wouldn't trust a study on the holocaust done by a nazi. I wouldn't trust a study on the swedish government done by the swedish government.. See what I'm saying?
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On March 17 2005 16:51 0_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 16:39 Polis wrote:On March 17 2005 16:23 0_0 wrote: I already posted that America is not represing Indians NOW, u cnow whot TIME is? I had allready writen that there are ppl born in USA who have nothing to do whit represing on Indians and who have kids, so those kids should now pay for whot happeng in America centuries ago? Don't tell me that those are not obvious diferents, and i am not saing that this is not a problem but puting a = betvien those 2 situations is not fair becose of whot i had writen.
You're missing my point. The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily, but the USA still has their land, they're pent up in their little reservations and Indians are still in the bottom portion of the workforce. And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different. "The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily" "And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different". You had answered yourself. The Chinese government isn't spreading disease or whatever those settlers did to the Indians, they're keeping the calm. They aren't phyiscally abusing or killing any Tibetan civilians. If they were to leave I'm sure the Dali Lama would come back and set up his own theocracy and start abusing his power. Haven't you ever heard the phrase "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely?"
Chinise leader have no power? I already aksed haw is that posibole that Chinise govermont have no prove of tyranic Dalai Lama actions?
They aren't phyiscally abusing or killing any Tibetan civilians.: http://www.phrusa.org/research/torture/tortib.html http://hrw.org/english/docs/2004/01/29/china7123.html There many more.
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On March 17 2005 16:23 0_0 wrote:Yeah, Fa Lun Gong is fucking crazy... I don't understand why the usa supports this sort of crap. Alot of members of the Fa Lun Gong are really fanatical. There are tons of cases of mass suicide, killings of family members, and other ridiculous crap. In one case, a guy's wife interrupted his meditation or whatever the hell they do, and he stabbed her to death with a kitchen knife and then calmly went back to praying. What the hell is that? Anyways, if you think about it, why would the Chinese government allow Buddhism or Hinduism but pick on Fa Lun Gong/the Tibetans for no reason? Show nested quote + I already posted that America is not represing Indians NOW, u cnow whot TIME is? I had allready writen that there are ppl born in USA who have nothing to do whit represing on Indians and who have kids, so those kids should now pay for whot happeng in America centuries ago? Don't tell me that those are not obvious diferents, and i am not saing that this is not a problem but puting a = betvien those 2 situations is not fair becose of whot i had writen.
You're missing my point. The Indians aren't being physically repressed or militarily, but the USA still has their land, they're pent up in their little reservations and Indians are still in the bottom portion of the workforce. And no, its not an obvious difference because its not different.
If you've studied US foreign policy, you will realize that the US has a tendency to support governments (for example the dictatorship of Mexico during the early 1900's) that back US foreign policy.
As for the Indians/ US/ Tibet/ China analogy: Comparing the US to China is absolutely ridiculous. If we were to trace every single piece of land on the planet to its original owner, ALL BORDER LINES would be different. The only reason China is getting a hard time with the Tibet debate is because certain people feel Tibetans are being mistreated. Aside from the biased evidence, on the whole, the Chinese government is not suppressing Tibetans.
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On March 17 2005 16:52 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote: You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone. Yeah, let's give the few hundred thousand (I dunno, less/more?) natives an entire fucking continent! Because tibet is just as huge as the states, and would cause just as much damage should it be returned, and it happened just as long ago. Get some perspective please 
That's the "morally" right thing to do, and we're arguing about moral correctness here right? Whether its morally okay for China to keep occupying Tibet.
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On March 17 2005 17:22 0_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 16:52 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote: You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone. Yeah, let's give the few hundred thousand (I dunno, less/more?) natives an entire fucking continent! Because tibet is just as huge as the states, and would cause just as much damage should it be returned, and it happened just as long ago. Get some perspective please  That's the "morally" right thing to do, and we're arguing about moral correctness here right? Whether its morally okay for China to keep occupying Tibet.
"I had allready writen that there are ppl born in USA who have nothing to do whit represing on Indians and who have kids, so those kids should now pay for whot happeng in America centuries ago?" -this is not moral aspect? You really don't see a difrence betwien someting that is happening now, and whot can be done now about it, and betwien someting that happend centuries ago and whot can be done about it now?
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I'm going to stop arguing with you Polis until you edit your posts before you post them.
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On March 17 2005 17:22 0_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 16:52 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote: You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone. Yeah, let's give the few hundred thousand (I dunno, less/more?) natives an entire fucking continent! Because tibet is just as huge as the states, and would cause just as much damage should it be returned, and it happened just as long ago. Get some perspective please  That's the "morally" right thing to do, and we're arguing about moral correctness here right? Whether its morally okay for China to keep occupying Tibet. No it is NOT the morally right thing to do.
The vast majority of todays americans HAD NOTHING to do with said slaughter, yet they would get effected in the extreme, should america be turned over to the few natives left.
North America = A HUGE FUCKING CONTINENT, CONQUERED A FEW HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
Tibet = A microscopic country, conquered a few decades ago.
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On March 17 2005 17:22 0_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 16:52 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 17 2005 13:13 0_0 wrote: You can give the land back to them? They have Indian nations. The entire United States was built on stolen land. Just because they did it doesn't mean it can't be undone, you just don't want it undone. Yeah, let's give the few hundred thousand (I dunno, less/more?) natives an entire fucking continent! Because tibet is just as huge as the states, and would cause just as much damage should it be returned, and it happened just as long ago. Get some perspective please  That's the "morally" right thing to do, and we're arguing about moral correctness here right? Whether its morally okay for China to keep occupying Tibet.
Yes, I'm sure moral structure has been the center behind every country's foreign policy.
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So what China needs to do is slaugter most of the Tibetans and wait a few hundred years. Then they'd be okay .
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On March 18 2005 03:59 BinaryStar wrote:So what China needs to do is slaugter most of the Tibetans and wait a few hundred years. Then they'd be okay  .
I don't know where the fuck you're going with that post
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On March 17 2005 12:27 Final Heaven wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 09:53 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 17 2005 05:43 derBonobo wrote: do south koreans & japanese actually like each other or not? NO? during WW 2 Japanese soilders raped thousands of Chineses and Korean women . Thats why until now the hatred still remain .
hm, why does that hatred still remain? i´m from austria and during WW2 most ppl here were like "hail hitler!" and "yay forced labour!", but nowadays there is no hatred because of that. it´s a thing of the past and meanwhile ppl get along well with each other. it makes little difference what nation you belong to here, nobody cares.
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On March 18 2005 03:59 BinaryStar wrote:So what China needs to do is slaugter most of the Tibetans and wait a few hundred years. Then they'd be okay  . Yeah and tibet needs to be renamed china (no one remembers the SLIGHT size differance).
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On March 18 2005 15:08 derBonobo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 12:27 Final Heaven wrote:On March 17 2005 09:53 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 17 2005 05:43 derBonobo wrote: do south koreans & japanese actually like each other or not? NO? during WW 2 Japanese soilders raped thousands of Chineses and Korean women . Thats why until now the hatred still remain . hm, why does that hatred still remain? i´m from austria and during WW2 most ppl here were like "hail hitler!" and "yay forced labour!", but nowadays there is no hatred because of that. it´s a thing of the past and meanwhile ppl get along well with each other. it makes little difference what nation you belong to here, nobody cares.
Ok, you are from Austria, obviously the Nazi won't too hard on you guys during the war since you were all german. Anyway, i don't expect you to understand or comphrehend why many asian nations still hold grudges against Japan. Personally, i think there were allot of bullshit associated with it but attitude and recent actions by Japan doesn't help the matter either.
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On March 18 2005 15:08 derBonobo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2005 12:27 Final Heaven wrote:On March 17 2005 09:53 FrozenArbiter wrote:On March 17 2005 05:43 derBonobo wrote: do south koreans & japanese actually like each other or not? NO? during WW 2 Japanese soilders raped thousands of Chineses and Korean women . Thats why until now the hatred still remain . hm, why does that hatred still remain? i´m from austria and during WW2 most ppl here were like "hail hitler!" and "yay forced labour!", but nowadays there is no hatred because of that. it´s a thing of the past and meanwhile ppl get along well with each other. it makes little difference what nation you belong to here, nobody cares.
As said before, Germans recognize what they did was wrong, and made formal apologies. The Japanese aren't even teaching it in their textbooks now, much less issuing any apologies. Personally I don't hold anything against the Japanese people or anything, its in the past, but it sure as hell would be nice to get some type of apology. They could at least acknowledge they did that kinda stuff in their textbooks.
On March 18 2005 15:20 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2005 03:59 BinaryStar wrote:So what China needs to do is slaugter most of the Tibetans and wait a few hundred years. Then they'd be okay  . Yeah and tibet needs to be renamed china (no one remembers the SLIGHT size differance).
So according to your logic, taking even more land and slaughtering even more people would suddenly make it okay?
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It's not the reasons that he cannot be expected to understand. It's the oriental mentality he can't be expected to understand.
Trying to convince Chinese that they should get along with Japan is like trying to convince a cat to take a bath.
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Yes 0_0 has it right. The fact that many Japanese officials and even the general public try to downplay the civil rights violations of their soldiers has angered Koreans/ Chinese for decades. Could you imagine Germans in 2005 denying the atrocities that occurred in their concentration camps?
Personally, as a Korean, I have nothing against Japanese people as a whole. However, the fact that there are even ANY Japanese denying this part of history pisses me off.
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bs you hate the fucking japs it's ok!
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