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Longshank
1648 Posts
On July 25 2011 03:24 Wolf wrote: Has it been confirmed that this Anders person is actually behind all of this? Depends on what you mean by 'all of this' but if you mean the bomb and the shooting then yes. It hasn't been confirmed that he acted alone but nothing really hints of companions at this point. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
According to a Helsinki university criminal law professor, the criteria for keeping the criminal locked in for longer than 21 years is precisely their presumed threat to society at the moment of release, and has nothing to do with their past crimes | ||
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Nqsty
United Kingdom118 Posts
When I read these posts, all I realise is that he's succeeded, you're all debating around his ideas, he's got you all thinking. You may feel more intelligent than the whole situation, but trust me, from what I've read, you're just all sheep and he's herded you up real nice into his own little war. Just lock this thread, forget the guy, don't let him be anything more than an anecdote, delete him from all texts books, from all news papers, there is nothing to be learnt through this event. He's just a madman, and he should be locked up and forgotten for the rest of times like all the others. You can write 70 pages about how awful the mass murdering was, but certainly not 70 pages about whether he was right or wrong to do so. Please, realise this, and stop posting. User was warned for this post | ||
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keeblur
United States826 Posts
On July 25 2011 03:35 Nqsty wrote: I preferred this thread when people wanted him to receive death penalty to be honest. When I read these posts, all I realise is that he's succeeded, you're all debating around his ideas, he's got you all thinking. You may feel more intelligent than the whole situation, but trust me, from what I've read, you're just all sheep and he's herded you up real nice into his own little war. Just lock this thread, forget the guy, don't let him be anything more than an anecdote, delete him from all texts books, from all news papers, there is nothing to be learnt through this event. He's just a madman, and he should be locked up and forgotten for the rest of times like all the others. You can write 70 pages about how awful the mass murdering was, but certainly not 70 pages about whether he was right or wrong to do so. Please, realise this, and stop posting. Just because you want to bury your head in the sand, doesn't mean everyone should. | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
You can write 70 pages about how awful the mass murdering was, but certainly not 70 pages about whether he was right or wrong to do so. You've obviously missunderstood the discussion as no one has the viewpoint that what he did was right. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
Been like that for any topic similar to this. | ||
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Nqsty
United Kingdom118 Posts
On July 25 2011 03:40 Thorakh wrote: You've obviously missunderstood the discussion as no one has the viewpoint that what he did was right. Didn't express myself correctly, was talking about his ideas, which some people seem to be delighted to point out that to some extent they are acceptable. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 25 2011 03:40 Thorakh wrote: You've obviously missunderstood the discussion as no one has the viewpoint that what he did was right. and to clarify. This guy is a simple copycat. Nothing he has done or said is new. He hasn't really said or written anything that hasn't already been known for years among right extremists. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
What happens next time some fucking mentalist wants to get their message heard, and is willing to kill to get it? No news outlet should have mentioned his name. 'Man believed to be motivated by a desire to propagate extreme right wing views' would have done just fine. But no. As the BBC said, his face is now the most infamous in the world. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 25 2011 03:43 Nqsty wrote: Didn't express myself correctly, was talking about his ideas, which some people seem to be delighted to point out that to some extent they are acceptable. And again. "His ideas" you are talking about aren't his ideas, They have been well known for a very long time. The guy just re hashed allot of bullshit information claimed by right extremists long ago to be the truth, then he simply went out and killed allot of people. That's all there is to it really. | ||
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
On July 25 2011 03:45 Integra wrote: and to clarify. This guy is a simple copycat. Nothing he has done or said is new. He hasn't really said or written anything that hasn't already been known for years among right extremists. 1 man killing 70+ children in Norway is pretty new. Doesn't matter what his political views are, killing 70 kids means you just aren't right in the head, obviously. | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
On July 25 2011 03:43 Nqsty wrote: Well, the day that we aren't allowed to discuss ideas is the day that we aren't free anymore. Just because some madman had a 'slightly' more extreme version of some ideas doesn't mean more moderate ideas are just as bad and a taboo to discuss about.Didn't express myself correctly, was talking about his ideas, which some people seem to be delighted to point out that to some extent they are acceptable. This is, after all, directly connected to the shooting as it was the motivation for the act. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
On July 25 2011 03:48 Integra wrote: And again. "His ideas" you are talking about aren't his ideas, They have been well known for a very long time. The guy just re hashed allot of bullshit information claimed by right extremists long ago to be the truth, then he simply went out and killed allot of people. That's all there is to it really. Are you hoping to discredit the factual islamization of Europe by labeling as racist anyone pointing it out ? I leaved for 3 years in a predominantly Muslims area in the suburbs of Strasbourg, I didn't feel like I was in France anymore. No I would never take a shotgun and kill either socialists or muslims to exprimate my anger, but the actions of this lunatic wouldn't prevent me to stand against massive immigration (immigration concerning few thousands of people each year is fine, but when it concerns several hundreds of thousands of people it's all fucked up) and multiculturalism. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 25 2011 03:53 TeWy wrote: Are you hoping to discredit the factual islamization of Europe by labeling as racist anyone pointing it out ? I leaved for 3 years in a predominantly Muslims area in the suburbs of Strasbourg, I didn't feel like I was in France anymore. No I would never take a shotgun and kill either socialists or muslims to exprimate my anger, but the actions of this lunatic wouldn't prevent me to stand against massive immigration (immigration concerning few thousands of people each year is fine, but when it concerns several hundreds of thousands of people it's all fucked up) and multiculturalism. I'm going to state what allot of other people already stated: Don't use this tragedy as an excuse to spread bullshit. There is no proof anywhere of your claim. Even if it was true you still hold the belief that muslims or jews are evil and the root of the problem. This has no actual proof either. You are just using hatred as an excuse to blaim a group of people for a set of problems. There are forums for people like you that you can go to. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 25 2011 03:48 Megatronn wrote: 1 man killing 70+ children in Norway is pretty new. Doesn't matter what his political views are, killing 70 kids means you just aren't right in the head, obviously. ya, I mean the guy is freaking psycho. No question about that. | ||
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Vortigan
Denmark306 Posts
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Teton
France1656 Posts
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Dreis1337
32 Posts
On July 25 2011 02:45 Derez wrote: So if birthrates if France stay consistent like they are at the moment there will be a muslim majority by the year 2300 or something. Well done picking the single deviant case and ignoring every other one. Also, I couldn't give a shit how the author of the article presents it. His sources are scientific, which is more that can be said for the pseudo-science employed by the defenders of this eurabia madness, and there's no need to be nice to people that spread blatant lies in order to spread fears about islam. There is no such thing as a 'cultural war', except for the one that extremists on both sides are creating for their own purposes. People like Wilders (and equivalents in other countries) are doing the exact same thing they accuse muslims of doing: Maintaining their interpretation of 'identity' at the cost of everyone else's. I'm a white, 'native', atheist dutchman, yet my sense of identity has nothing to do with what the far-right is trying to make it out to be. For me, there is no such thing as a 'dutchman', a 'norwegian', you name it. The beauty of the system we live in is that you can take up any identity you want without the state dictating it, and being dutch or european is only a very small part of that for me. That said, I don't want to respond to any of this again. Doing it earlier was a mistake already, and I should have just ignored you. This is not the place for it. First off thanks for the link. I've been struggling with the topic a bit and sad to say the only "information" I came across in a limited search (I don't like to listen to others' opinions, rather get the facts and make my own) was the typical "muslims are taking over" stuff  Secondly, I agree with with what you say of identity. I still struggle to understand why the west still needs to group people and for their identity to be some "label"; whether this is religion, race, culture, geneder ethnicity or nationality (etc.). My wish is that one day we will live in a society where people are treated as individuals: you are who you are and that is all that matters. There is no such thing as "you are a Norwegian (example) so you are this _____". The way I see it is that things like culture, religion and nationality are nothing without PEOPLE. We are dealing with individuals and of course all individuals are different; no blanket term will EVER be 100% true, so why do so many people still try? In my perfect world, people are judged based on what they can do: their ability. One person will get a job, treatment, friendship, money based on what they do, their personality and their individual. We are all people. People brought up in different ways and in different circumstances, but this does NOT mean ANYONE is automatically x, y and z because of some superficial aspect of their upbringing. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
On July 25 2011 03:59 Integra wrote: I'm going to state what allot of other people already stated: Don't use this tragedy as an excuse to spread bullshit. There is no proof anywhere of your claim. Even if it was true you still hold the belief that muslims or jews are evil and the root of the problem. This has no actual proof either. You are just using hatred as an excuse to blaim a group of people for a set of problems. There are forums for people like you that you can go to. I do not believe Islam is the great Satan nor that this thing was set up by the Zionists or other conspirationnal bullshits. Stop demonizing anyone not sharing your views. | ||
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Fuddh
Sweden4 Posts
On July 25 2011 03:59 Integra wrote: I'm going to state what allot of other people already stated: Don't use this tragedy as an excuse to spread bullshit. There is no proof anywhere of your claim. Even if it was true you still hold the belief that muslims or jews are evil and the root of the problem. This has no actual proof either. You are just using hatred as an excuse to blaim a group of people for a set of problems. There are forums for people like you that you can go to. That's a very narrow-minded thing to say. I don't think Tewy said that muslims or jews are the root of evil. He simply stated that he was against multiculturalism and immigration of muslims to France (if i'm correct). This is a completely valid opinion to have, Europe really does immigrate a high amount of muslims. When someone states that they would like to reduce the amount of immigrants to their country, it doesn't automatically mean that they think all muslims are evil, and it certainly doesn't mean that these people would like to execute 80+ young people... So stop saying that they are spreading Breiviks propaganda, he was way more extreme in his opinion than most people. I'd like to finish off by saying that I don't agree with Tewy, I just think this is a subject worth discussing, since it's indeed relevant and not something you should try to hide from or refuse to discuss. | ||
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