[Old] The massacre in Norway - Page 96

On July 25 2011 02:17 Derez wrote:


The demographic 'theory' (whole eurabia bullshit) you are referring to is actually completely untrue.

Birthrates among immigrants adjust themselves to the mean within 2 generations, and at the moment birthrates for muslim minorities are below the national average, and even below the magic 2.1 that's needed to maintain the size of their population.

Enjoy:
http://dougsaunders.net/2008/09/eurabia-debunking-steyn-bawer-melanie-phillips-geert-wilders/

On July 25 2011 01:53 esperanto wrote:
It worries me how ppl here also start to talk about "culture" as if it is some exclusive clear thing everyone is either in or an outsider. I didnt wanted to get into this discussion, especially cause its highly disrespecfull to all the victimes to actually let the killer get a platform for his ideas out of his horrible event.

But since there is too much shit spreading out on some of the comments here, I wanna give you an answer.
For your ideas of "clash of cultures": We live in a multi-culti society all along. And even without any influence from cultures of diffrent regions (muslims cultures...) we have a multi-culti society. Atheists and christians have diffrences in their cultures, conservatives and liberals, ppl from the south part of a country and ppl from north, even poor ppl and rich ppl. Sometimes thess diffrences are even bigger than diffrences to some (you might call them) outisde cultures. For example over 35% of the german population are atheists.
For muslims, there isn't any single cultural identification-point with some exceptions as you might want to see it(you would call them the "few moderate muslims") there is actually the same diversity inside as everywhere else. I personally as an atheist would say that I share more cultural aspects with some muslim (lets call them sub-culture circles) than with some "traditional christian european" cultural circles.

So whats the solution to your thoughts. For a real mono-cultural society you actually would have to exclude (if you are extreme, kill) the 80% other ppl that dont fit your view.
The killer from oslo came to a point where he not only wanted to live without muslims, but also without ppl with diffrent political views.

Please ask yourself the following questions:
What is the countrys identity? Who does fit in, who doesnt? Is it only traditional patriotic natives. Will someone not fit in out of his behavior, his herritage, his views on politics, or cause he enjoys esports more than football? Or is it a "just" matter of race again?

I show you my solution: You cant prevent a multi-cultural society, simply the fact that ppl can chose diffrent livestyles or are influences by the connections they have to all over the world, will never get you a mono-cultural society. But what you can do is the following: You can creat a common base all those cultures have to share and hold on to. The minimum part of this cultural base is the law, human-rights.... The next step for this common base is respect/ tolerance and the believe in democracy...
All the cultures that come here or are here will have to life after this basic common principles.

On July 25 2011 02:17 Grettin wrote:
Aftonbladet is saying that the killer shot a police in the Island.

On July 25 2011 00:28 Fuckyeah wrote:
Religion is the abomination that is killing.
It may have helped people in the past, but in today's world it's just an abomination doing the opposite of what it was intended to do; bringing peace.

On July 25 2011 02:24 vetinari wrote:


Odd, given that your own source states that TFR among muslim women in france is higher than non-muslim women in france.

That said, your source is more biased than fox news. The description of the catholic church as a terrorist organisation gives that away.

On July 25 2011 02:46 Vortigan wrote:
so many fucking idiots in here thinking this tragedy is a prelude or introduction to a discussion on whether a multicultural society is good or bad thing. If u feel like that, at least give it some time and have some god damn class! Tards....

On July 25 2011 02:50 trucane wrote:


Because calling people fucking idiots and tards is having class... If you are so bothered about it you should at least tell people in a mannered way

He was an introverted maniac filled with hatred though.
He has a lot of traits that fit the profile of your run-of-the-mill spreekiller.

-In the aftermath of this mess it is crucial to fight any type of bullshitting from the media and radical movements by education and information. Inform yourself and inform others if you spot any type of misinformation. Some national medias already run straight (probably because it will yield the highest profit) all over his Facebook information that he deliberately put there so they will use it. (e.g. the german media is already all over WoW and "killer games" being the actual cause for someone to snap like this.)

On July 25 2011 03:24 Wolf wrote:
Has it been confirmed that this Anders person is actually behind all of this?

On July 25 2011 03:29 Aim Here wrote:


There aren't any other suspects at the moment, he was caught on the scene, he's admitted it, and his journal does describe his preparations for the attack and that doesn't refer to any other accomplice.

There were some witness reports of another gunman, so it is a possibily, but it's also possible that the witnesses were confused in the panic, and mistook something or someone else for the second shooter.