EPT[Old] The massacre in Norway - Page 112
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ccCmp
Germany2 Posts
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SoundProof
Sweden99 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:26 ccCmp wrote: Tastefull | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On July 25 2011 20:19 Longshank wrote: According to polish media he runs a webshop selling chemical products. Are they somehow related or something? Did he acquire any of those chemicals from that man in question? Since it's also possible that anyone could have made such a device via everyday common household tools/equipment, they're just laying out there for such people to acquire... ( ammonium nitrate fertilizer and some other substances ) Do they know it's him or just a suspect...? edit: oops cp'd things for a diff thread | ||
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Zetter
Germany629 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:00 rtsAlaran wrote: just read 3pages long article on a local newspaper... 1 whole page was dedicated to the killer, his background and scocial life.. totally out of context they wrote these 2 sentences: "Bekannt ist auch, dass er gern das Computerspiel 'World of Warkraft' spielte. Auch dort wird gemordet." It is known that he liked to play the computer game World of Warkraft. There is murder too. It makes me sad, that nowadays such article cannot live without referencing at least one example of these computer games and their bad influence on murderers. :/ EDIT: oh.. sth similar was said before... Just out of curiosity - what show was that? Didnt watch too much TV over the weekend... If I recall correctly, it was a special show about the incident on n-tv On tagesschau.de they show what the major newspapers write about the attacks in Norway, nothing about killer games there. | ||
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sceroh
Belgium182 Posts
source : http://blogs.forbes.com/johngaudiosi/2011/07/24/norway-suspect-used-activisions-call-of-duty-to-train-for-massacre/ | ||
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zeru
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AikaEU
Slovenia46 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On July 25 2011 20:11 Longshank wrote: Some major effort should be(and will be) put on rehibilitating him. If that's successful then that would be the ultimate punishment. How exactly do u picture rehabilitation of a person who killed 90 people? What is he supposed to be behaving like to qualify as rehabilitated? I don't think you come back from killing 90 people. Even more often then not people from warzones such as vietnam and iraq never manage to fully rehabilitate. Besides psychopaths are known to appear normal if not outright charming. This is a guy who supposedly was just another nice enough kid who was playing wow with friends. Rehabilitation is not possible in his case because there is no way to gauge it. | ||
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zeru
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Zetter
Germany629 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:49 Sfydjklm wrote: How exactly do u picture rehabilitation of a person who killed 90 people? What is he supposed to be behaving like to qualify as rehabilitated? I don't think you come back from killing 90 people. Even more often then not people from warzones such as vietnam and iraq never manage to fully rehabilitate. If his reasons for the attacks really were ideology or religion, rehabilitation is most likely going to be successful through religious or ideological "indoctrination", if you can call it this way. | ||
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Myrtroll
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How exactly do u picture rehabilitation of a person who killed 90 people? What is he supposed to be behaving like to qualify as rehabilitated? I don't think you come back from killing 90 people. Even more often then not people from warzones such as vietnam and iraq never manage to fully rehabilitate. If he starts regretting what he did, you could argue that he is on the road to being "rehabilitated". This should be the goal regardless. But there is a secondary thing if you are afraid of his release, and that is his own safety. I highly doubt he can ever be a free man, because there will be tons of people wanting his head once free, so they might keep him inside for life just for his own safety. Also in his case, with the insane planning he did, he could probably "fake" getting better, and thus still be a threat to society, so either way I'm pretty sure chances of him getting out is close to 0%. (no panel or what they use to determine it, in their right mind will ever take responsibility for letting him out) | ||
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zeru
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
Edit : of course by a thing, I don't mean the killings by any means, I mean such determination | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:52 Zetter wrote: If his reasons for the attacks really were ideology or religion, rehabilitation is most likely going to be successful through religious or ideological "indoctrination", if you can call it this way. how hard is it to fake? | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:49 Sfydjklm wrote: How exactly do u picture rehabilitation of a person who killed 90 people? What is he supposed to be behaving like to qualify as rehabilitated? I don't think you come back from killing 90 people. Even more often then not people from warzones such as vietnam and iraq never manage to fully rehabilitate. Besides psychopaths are known to appear normal if not outright charming. This is a guy who supposedly was just another nice enough kid who was playing wow with friends. Rehabilitation is not possible in his case because there is no way to gauge it. Having him realize what he's done, feel remorse and regret would be far more painful for him than to sit locked up for life feeling proud and justified. I can not tell if rehabilitation will work on this man and neither can you. They now have 21 years to find out, and no you can not fake it. | ||
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Zetter
Germany629 Posts
It should be pretty hard to fake in front of Norway's best psychologists and neurologists. | ||
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PolSC2
United States634 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:41 AikaEU wrote: what he did was absolutely horrible but i have to admit he has good taste in music. one of the songs he listend to (taken from his manifesto): You actually think this is being respectful? Nobody cares what music he listens to or how nicely he dressed. Grow up. Stick to the topic. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:51 zeru wrote: The biggest serial killer in scandinavia killed 138 people and was released after 21 years and considered rehabilitated. link? | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:59 valaki wrote: I'm just impressed and at the same time terrified how far morale, determination and faith (not religious) can bring a single person. He said, he made 5 million in just a few years, but instead of having a girlfriend, family and carrier he invested in this. And all those years, while playing games and having fun partying, seeing his friends getting settled he remained faithful to his ideas, and carried out his plan almost perfectly. What needs to be changed in a man to achieve such a thing? Edit : of course by a thing, I don't mean the killings by any means, I mean such determination This is kinda why i really want to hear him speak. I want to hear the tone of his voice and how he talks. More than anything i would like to talk to him for a bit. He's a guy with a truly admirable determination despite the result of it. It would be far too simplistic to say he is just evil and insane, it is far more complicated than that and i would like to know and understand him. | ||
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