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Longshank
1648 Posts
On July 25 2011 19:43 BearDK wrote: He gets 21, then another 21 and so forth and so on, as far as I know. Some major effort should be(and will be) put on rehibilitating him. If that's successful then that would be the ultimate punishment. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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Neeh
Norway458 Posts
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On July 25 2011 20:15 Neeh wrote: They've just arrested a second man, in poland. According to polish media he runs a webshop selling chemical products. | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
But I think it would be dangerous, to just say he's an insane lone-wolf, without looking at the aspects why he did this. There's a definite climate of hate in European society (at least in major parts), it's not like his views came out of nowhere. There's fear spreaded of the "Muslim takeover" in Europe. And some psychopath will take this stuff and issue his problems into it and gets violent. I hope that an honest debate in a broad appeal can come up, about the political climate and the hate and segregation between different parts of society, and maybe a deeper understanding can come out of it. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
He's not insane, he's a Nazi living in the wrong time. He would have made a great death camp officer I'm sure. The political culture of Europe has been heavily against the ideas created or appropriated by the Nazis, to his eyes politicians have been fooling the people into believing ideas he hates were okay, he was mad as hell about it and he wasn't going to take it anymore. The political class of Europe is the enemy; their children are a legitimate target. Horrifyingly evil, but not insane. People don't need to be insane to be complete monsters. | ||
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Horiz0n
Sweden364 Posts
“Om en människa kan hysa så mycket hat, tänk då hur mycket kärlek vi kan visa tillsammans” - AUF girl “If a person can harbour this much hate, imagine how much love we can express together ” (rough translation) | ||
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rtsAlaran
Germany383 Posts
1 whole page was dedicated to the killer, his background and scocial life.. totally out of context they wrote these 2 sentences: "Bekannt ist auch, dass er gern das Computerspiel 'World of Warkraft' spielte. Auch dort wird gemordet." It is known that he liked to play the computer game World of Warkraft. There is murder too. It makes me sad, that nowadays such article cannot live without referencing at least one example of these computer games and their bad influence on murderers. :/ EDIT: oh.. sth similar was said before... On July 25 2011 19:16 ohlala wrote: Also, while hearing some expert on german television talking about playing killergames like WoW being a possible indicator, the only real indicator here and in other cases is the strong affinity and easy access to guns. Just out of curiosity - what show was that? Didnt watch too much TV over the weekend... | ||
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sarge89
Norway147 Posts
On July 25 2011 20:41 Sebzou wrote: It's a shame we won't get to hear him speak. I think it's important for everyone to see that no matter how terrible his actions are he is still just a guy. Hopefully he will eventually get to speak publicly, but i doubt it. I don't want to give him the chance to speak publicly. That would only giving him exactly what he wants. | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
On July 25 2011 19:41 untilMay wrote: Does anyone know when/where the police are going to release the missing/killed list. I hate to be mortir but I need to know if my friends are okay as they were @ Utøya during the attacks. Expect that later today. | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:00 sarge89 wrote: I don't want to give him the chance to speak publicly. That would only giving him exactly what he wants. He would show that he's a fucking moron and that his "ideas" are crazy and disgusting to every sane person. "We" don't want him to talk because we're afraid that "many" people are d'accord with his opinion. | ||
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:00 sarge89 wrote: I don't want to give him the chance to speak publicly. That would only giving him exactly what he wants. Agree. He wants to be important, he thinks he is a hero or something like that. By his acts, he lost the right to open his f***in mouth. | ||
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Neeh
Norway458 Posts
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:02 BlackFlag wrote: He would show that he's a fucking moron and that his "ideas" are crazy and disgusting to every sane person. "We" don't want him to talk because we're afraid that "many" people are d'accord with his opinion. I'm not afraid of that, i just dont want allow him to take more pleasure than he did by killing of these people. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
On July 25 2011 20:51 DeepElemBlues wrote: This man is not insane, he's a political diehard. His grievances are political and this massacre was a political act. People on the far-right are supposed to get a morale boost, "the left" is supposed to be scared, and people who are receptive to far-right ideas are supposed to read his beliefs in all the media coverage and move farther to the right. He's not insane, he's a Nazi living in the wrong time. He would have made a great death camp officer I'm sure. The political culture of Europe has been heavily against the ideas created or appropriated by the Nazis, to his eyes politicians have been fooling the people into believing ideas he hates were okay, he was mad as hell about it and he wasn't going to take it anymore. The political class of Europe is the enemy; their children are a legitimate target. Horrifyingly evil, but not insane. People don't need to be insane to be complete monsters. Wow. Did you even read anything about him? He's against National Socialism, and is pro-Israel. | ||
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Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
Hes into weapons Hes from the far right Hes political Hes religios Hes a freemason Hes a psychopath Hes a christian Hes a gamer Hes a nationalist Hes a egoist..... you could continue this list over and over..... so what??? His enemys are everyone not scharing his Opinions in nearly every point... Blame all those whos have something in common with him. You would have to blame 90% of western population... I doubt this will change anything... sorry im not abselutely shure if everything is correct in that list...but you get my point. | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On July 25 2011 20:14 Tobberoth wrote: Couldn't he be tried for being a traitor and thus be imprisoned for life without a chance of parole? Or is that maybe not possible in Norway. There was death penalty for being a traitor, but that was removed 32 years ago. | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:12 valaki wrote: Wow. Did you even read anything about him? He's against National Socialism, and is pro-Israel. There's more to national-socialism than hating jews. The arguments against the group are the same, in reality they are just scapegoats. Antisemitism has no real base today because there simply aren't many jews left in Europe, muslims took their spot as scapegoats. It's not a real difference if you look beyond the obvious. I also don't think he's "insane insane". A. he planned the attack long in advance B. had a reason and a goal C. knew the consequences D. accepted the consequences and moved forward He's a terrorist. And he will probably become the new martyr for neo-nazis and right-wing radicals everywhere. | ||
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jcarlson08
United States267 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:12 valaki wrote: Wow. Did you even read anything about him? He's against National Socialism, and is pro-Israel. Yet he's a fascist all the same.... | ||
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