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On July 08 2011 07:55 Gene wrote:
why would you be asked where you graduated from? If you got a fake id you should have been from a far away town where the bouncer would have no idea about that kind of information.
but yeah i was never even ID'd
One thing that sadly catches some people by surprise is how old you "are."
you can repeat all you want that your birthday is 7-11-1988 but how old does that makes you? dumbass friend of mine lost that one pretty bad.
Oh lol, a friend of mine got caught that way trying to get into a coffee shop :D
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On July 08 2011 18:01 Detwiler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 08:35 6kies wrote:
I hope you get caught with your fake id and go to jail. There are reasons why you have to be 21 to enter bars/clubs. This. Do you know how many people are goin to lose their job when your dumbass gets drunk and gets arrested? Just get your drinks and go to sumbodys house you will have a better time.
Uh huh, because if you get drunk you WILL get arrested and random people who had nothing to do with that will lose your job. Come on guys, you're hurting eSports here.
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On July 09 2011 08:07 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 18:01 Detwiler wrote:On July 08 2011 08:35 6kies wrote:
I hope you get caught with your fake id and go to jail. There are reasons why you have to be 21 to enter bars/clubs. This. Do you know how many people are goin to lose their job when your dumbass gets drunk and gets arrested? Just get your drinks and go to sumbodys house you will have a better time. Uh huh, because if you get drunk you WILL get arrested and random people who had nothing to do with that will lose your job. Come on guys, you're hurting eSports here.
Depending on local laws, an establishment can get closed down or lose liquor licenses for serving to minors. Those can cost jobs.
I think that argument wasn't the best one for the case, but your response is pretty uninformed.
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Yes, I know that can happen, I'm not an idiot. But implying that using fake ideas to drink/get drunk (which is what they are for) will undoubtedly cost people jobs is pretty stupid and completely false.
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On July 09 2011 08:15 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:
Yes, I know that can happen, I'm not an idiot. But implying that using fake ideas to drink/get drunk (which is what they are for) will undoubtedly cost people jobs is pretty stupid and completely false.
No, assuming that they won't is stupid and uninformed. Someone going about drinking underage in a smart and responsible way would be doing it at home, which doesn't require a fake ID, since you can just have a friend get it for you.
If you're not being smart and responsible, you can easily get caught and get the establishment in trouble.
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On July 09 2011 08:27 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 08:15 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:
Yes, I know that can happen, I'm not an idiot. But implying that using fake ideas to drink/get drunk (which is what they are for) will undoubtedly cost people jobs is pretty stupid and completely false. No, assuming that they won't is stupid and uninformed. Someone going about drinking underage in a smart and responsible way would be doing it at home, which doesn't require a fake ID, since you can just have a friend get it for you. If you're not being smart and responsible, you can easily get caught and get the establishment in trouble.
No, that's false and I'm not saying you should assume it WON'T happen, I'm saying you shouldn't assume it WILL happen. Those are two completely different things. Do you know how many people use fake IDs compared to the number of establishments that get shut down because they serve to minors? I'd say the ratio is upwards of 1000:1.
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On July 09 2011 08:33 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 08:27 JingleHell wrote:On July 09 2011 08:15 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:
Yes, I know that can happen, I'm not an idiot. But implying that using fake ideas to drink/get drunk (which is what they are for) will undoubtedly cost people jobs is pretty stupid and completely false. No, assuming that they won't is stupid and uninformed. Someone going about drinking underage in a smart and responsible way would be doing it at home, which doesn't require a fake ID, since you can just have a friend get it for you. If you're not being smart and responsible, you can easily get caught and get the establishment in trouble. No, that's false and I'm not saying you should assume it WON'T happen, I'm saying you shouldn't assume it WILL happen. Those are two completely different things. Do you know how many people use fake IDs compared to the number of establishments that get shut down because they serve to minors? I'd say the ratio is upwards of 1000:1.
Show me a source for your numbers, or I'll just assume they're made up. Oh wait, they are. I'd bet they're not even close. Like I said, the argument itself is one of the worst ones for not using a fake ID, but saying that it doesn't, won't, or isn't likely to happen is ridiculous. I've seen tons of bars closed down temporarily or long term due to underage drinking. Just because you don't always hear it getting sensationalized doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Google search for any set of terms related to bar closures for underage drinking that you can think of. Tons and tons of results, with tons and tons of incidents.
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On July 09 2011 08:43 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 08:33 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On July 09 2011 08:27 JingleHell wrote:On July 09 2011 08:15 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:
Yes, I know that can happen, I'm not an idiot. But implying that using fake ideas to drink/get drunk (which is what they are for) will undoubtedly cost people jobs is pretty stupid and completely false. No, assuming that they won't is stupid and uninformed. Someone going about drinking underage in a smart and responsible way would be doing it at home, which doesn't require a fake ID, since you can just have a friend get it for you. If you're not being smart and responsible, you can easily get caught and get the establishment in trouble. No, that's false and I'm not saying you should assume it WON'T happen, I'm saying you shouldn't assume it WILL happen. Those are two completely different things. Do you know how many people use fake IDs compared to the number of establishments that get shut down because they serve to minors? I'd say the ratio is upwards of 1000:1. Show me a source for your numbers, or I'll just assume they're made up. Oh wait, they are. I'd bet they're not even close. Like I said, the argument itself is one of the worst ones for not using a fake ID, but saying that it doesn't, won't, or isn't likely to happen is ridiculous. I've seen tons of bars closed down temporarily or long term due to underage drinking. Just because you don't always hear it getting sensationalized doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Google search for any set of terms related to bar closures for underage drinking that you can think of. Tons and tons of results, with tons and tons of incidents.
Yes that's great, and those results are spread out all over the years and all over the world. Yeah, it's a made up number, big whoop, ya got me. But you can't deny that thousands of people use fake IDs and they are never caught and the bars are never shut down.
Look, I never said it never happens, and it's pretty stupid/sad when someone irresponsible uses a fake ID and gets a whole establishment in trouble, my point was that, like I've said twice now, it's stupid to assume that it WILL happen when a fake ID is used? Can you at least accept that? Seems pretty simple to me.
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On July 09 2011 08:55 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 08:43 JingleHell wrote:On July 09 2011 08:33 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On July 09 2011 08:27 JingleHell wrote:On July 09 2011 08:15 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:
Yes, I know that can happen, I'm not an idiot. But implying that using fake ideas to drink/get drunk (which is what they are for) will undoubtedly cost people jobs is pretty stupid and completely false. No, assuming that they won't is stupid and uninformed. Someone going about drinking underage in a smart and responsible way would be doing it at home, which doesn't require a fake ID, since you can just have a friend get it for you. If you're not being smart and responsible, you can easily get caught and get the establishment in trouble. No, that's false and I'm not saying you should assume it WON'T happen, I'm saying you shouldn't assume it WILL happen. Those are two completely different things. Do you know how many people use fake IDs compared to the number of establishments that get shut down because they serve to minors? I'd say the ratio is upwards of 1000:1. Show me a source for your numbers, or I'll just assume they're made up. Oh wait, they are. I'd bet they're not even close. Like I said, the argument itself is one of the worst ones for not using a fake ID, but saying that it doesn't, won't, or isn't likely to happen is ridiculous. I've seen tons of bars closed down temporarily or long term due to underage drinking. Just because you don't always hear it getting sensationalized doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Google search for any set of terms related to bar closures for underage drinking that you can think of. Tons and tons of results, with tons and tons of incidents. Yes that's great, and those results are spread out all over the years and all over the world. Yeah, it's a made up number, big whoop, ya got me. But you can't deny that thousands of people use fake IDs and they are never caught and the bars are never shut down. Look, I never said it never happens, and it's pretty stupid/sad when someone irresponsible uses a fake ID and gets a whole establishment in trouble, my point was that, like I've said twice now, it's stupid to assume that it WILL happen when a fake ID is used? Can you at least accept that? Seems pretty simple to me.
No, because while it's anecdotal, I've seen it at least a hundred times in just a few years, which is quite a solid number. It's quite reasonable to understand the sort of consequences your actions can cause, even if it's silly to use that as an argument against using one.
I'll deny that thousands of people never get caught, because there's not exactly reliable statistics on fake ID usage. I'd bet it's a lot less than you seem to think, because plenty of people are perfectly content not taking the risks associated with going out.
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I would guess the number of bars getting closed down because of fake IDs is pretty low. More often, I'd guess bars are shut down for knowingly (or blissfully ignorant) serving alcohol to minors. More people to drink is more money. More cute girls in your bar is more money. Pretty obvious what the motivation would be.
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Put your ID into a laminated section of your wallet that's hard to see through under poor lighting (like the situation the bouncer is often in). Pick a place that has a steady flow of people going in (so the bouncer doesn't have time to waste on you). As you are stepping up to the bouncer motion like you're trying to pull your ID out of your wallet, and start wrestling with it for a while like it won't come out. Eventually the bouncer will get frustrated that you are taking so long and holding up the line... and he will just tell you to go in lol
When I was in manhattan with some friends a few months ago this sorta happened to me... my ID was valid to get me into the bar and I look old enough for sure, but it's worth a shot :3
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Easiest thing to do is get a fake made for you that has all your info the same except the birth date. Avoids 99% of questions you'll be asked. Also if you have an id for another state its always a big warning sign as you have to change your id to the state you live in. Its kinda an obvious flag to look at it closer or ask some questions. I used to work the front door and the more uncomfortable you look the more people will doubt it. If you have to worry about people asking you questions you'll clearly be nervous. Most times if someones caught with a fake they just confiscate it or hand it over to the cops to take if there is cops at the front door, at a larger club for example. Very rarely is it worth their time to run you up on it or anything but clearly you ruin your friends night and lose the id.
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On July 08 2011 08:53 Shaetan wrote:
Friend of mine got busted when they asked what her horoscope sign was.
yea my girlfriends friend had that happen too, but honostly wtf... I dont know my horoscope sign that shits gay, If they took my id because of that I would be so pissed off.
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no not, under any circumstances, EVER give a cop your fake ID. You will be royally screwed, with not only Minor in consumption, assuming you were drinking, but for possessing US documents of a fraudulent nature (not sure what the exact charge is, could be forgery) but I'm pretty sure it is felonious. Cops can tell a fake, unlike your neighborhood bully turned bouncer. Bouncers will try to bullshit that they can spot a fake, but if you get a decent fake (which is expensive, from what I hear) they will be clueless.
In most college towns, bouncers are fellow college students, or washed up has-been athletes trying to live the dream of a college athlete which is no longer possible for them.
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On July 08 2011 17:36 Reason.SC2 wrote:I remember a friend of mine getting owned by a bouncer who asked her what her zodiac sign is. She knew all the other info on the ID but that 
I'm 23, legally able to buy alcohol and i barely know what my fucking zodiac sign is...
How is that at all a relevant question.. who the fuck reads horoscopes?
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On July 09 2011 09:00 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2011 08:55 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On July 09 2011 08:43 JingleHell wrote:On July 09 2011 08:33 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:On July 09 2011 08:27 JingleHell wrote:On July 09 2011 08:15 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:
Yes, I know that can happen, I'm not an idiot. But implying that using fake ideas to drink/get drunk (which is what they are for) will undoubtedly cost people jobs is pretty stupid and completely false. No, assuming that they won't is stupid and uninformed. Someone going about drinking underage in a smart and responsible way would be doing it at home, which doesn't require a fake ID, since you can just have a friend get it for you. If you're not being smart and responsible, you can easily get caught and get the establishment in trouble. No, that's false and I'm not saying you should assume it WON'T happen, I'm saying you shouldn't assume it WILL happen. Those are two completely different things. Do you know how many people use fake IDs compared to the number of establishments that get shut down because they serve to minors? I'd say the ratio is upwards of 1000:1. Show me a source for your numbers, or I'll just assume they're made up. Oh wait, they are. I'd bet they're not even close. Like I said, the argument itself is one of the worst ones for not using a fake ID, but saying that it doesn't, won't, or isn't likely to happen is ridiculous. I've seen tons of bars closed down temporarily or long term due to underage drinking. Just because you don't always hear it getting sensationalized doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Google search for any set of terms related to bar closures for underage drinking that you can think of. Tons and tons of results, with tons and tons of incidents. Yes that's great, and those results are spread out all over the years and all over the world. Yeah, it's a made up number, big whoop, ya got me. But you can't deny that thousands of people use fake IDs and they are never caught and the bars are never shut down. Look, I never said it never happens, and it's pretty stupid/sad when someone irresponsible uses a fake ID and gets a whole establishment in trouble, my point was that, like I've said twice now, it's stupid to assume that it WILL happen when a fake ID is used? Can you at least accept that? Seems pretty simple to me. No, because while it's anecdotal, I've seen it at least a hundred times in just a few years, which is quite a solid number. It's quite reasonable to understand the sort of consequences your actions can cause, even if it's silly to use that as an argument against using one. I'll deny that thousands of people never get caught, because there's not exactly reliable statistics on fake ID usage. I'd bet it's a lot less than you seem to think, because plenty of people are perfectly content not taking the risks associated with going out.
Okay, so you said I'm making numbers and now you're just making things up for the sake of arguing while not even talking about my main point, which I've said three times. I'm done.
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I've gotten into bars underage by simply using my real ID in the middle of DT during an anime convention, cosplaying as L with messy ass hair and eye liner.
Just go to a bar with lenient bouncers, fake IDs are seriously more trouble than they're worth.
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On July 08 2011 08:16 eXigent. wrote:
Man I went to a strip club when I was 20 (In Canada) with my legit ID, and because I had lost 50ish lbs the guy totally didnt believe it was me, refused to let me enter, and wanted to keep my ID and destroy it. Was totally retarded.
This is why you keep 2 pieces of ID from 2 different authorized sources. No way they can dispute you then. Especially if you have, 2 photo IDs, credit card, debit card all of you. If someone disputes you then, you ask to talk to the manager.
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On July 09 2011 10:00 Kashll wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 17:36 Reason.SC2 wrote:I remember a friend of mine getting owned by a bouncer who asked her what her zodiac sign is. She knew all the other info on the ID but that I'm 23, legally able to buy alcohol and i barely know what my fucking zodiac sign is... How is that at all a relevant question.. who the fuck reads horoscopes?
the key word you used here is 'barely', implying that you do actually know your sign  I have never met a person that didn't know their sign, you don't have to read horoscopes to know that
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TL is the wrong place to ask.
Try google.
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