EPTEDIT: hmmm wikipedia is interesting. There was a mechanic in the British RAF that got acquitted after having sex with a 15 year old girl... I guess it affects women too.
"Sexsomniac" cleared of rape charge - Page 8
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Please stop posting that he shouldn't have invited her into his bed since that's apparently not what happened... read the OP and links BEFORE commenting. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
EDIT: hmmm wikipedia is interesting. There was a mechanic in the British RAF that got acquitted after having sex with a 15 year old girl... I guess it affects women too. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On July 05 2011 22:34 Fenrax wrote: The girl had been staying at Mr Davies’s home in Swansea when she became ill and was told to share his bed because his room was cooler. Sry for being so frank, but this I just can't buy. So, you are a 16 years old girl and you are ill. Then someone TELLS you to get in bad with an already SLEEPING (!!!!!) man. Two questions here: a) who the f...was this "someone" and why did this "someone" not know about the condition if he feels entitled to tell the girl to sleep next to this man? b) how on earth can a 16 year old girl get in bed with a man and NOT WAKE HIM when she does. You know...the casual "I'm sleeping right next to you, by the way". | ||
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SolHeiM
Sweden1264 Posts
On July 06 2011 02:01 sleepingdog wrote: b) how on earth can a 16 year old girl get in bed with a man and NOT WAKE HIM when she does. You know...the casual "I'm sleeping right next to you, by the way". Big bed? There's a huge difference between the cuddly snuggly way you get into bed with your significant other, and getting in on the opposite side on the bed. | ||
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oursblanc
Canada1450 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
It's amazing she couln't resist enough to wake him. I mean, a sleepwalker's reflexes can't be good enough to be able to forcefully subjulgate another person, even if she's considerably weaker ... right? | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On July 06 2011 01:50 lolsixtynine wrote: Can OP please edit so that we can stop with the pointless comments from people who didn't read the article about how the guy "invited her" into his bed? Unfortunately the media reports about this are very contradicting. Every site writes something else. There is a note now that it wasn't him who told her to sleep in his bed. By now I am not sure about what happened at all. Did someone tell her to sleep in his bed at all like the guardian says? If yes, who did it? Metro.co.uk for example now writes this: "The court heard how the 16-year-old stayed in Mr Davies' bed after falling ill, while Mr Davies - who did not know of the teen's presence - slept elsewhere in the house." Does that mean that he didn't even know she was in his house? What other persons were in the house? Who invited her to sleep there? Why does a 16 year old kid stay in one house with a man who has such a problem? Why hasn't anyone told her about his dangerous psychic state? Then I also read things about him making tea (after/before sex?) while asleep on some sites. I would be very glad if some UK person could clear up what actually happened! Atm it is quite impossible for me to update the OP because the mdeia reports are short and partially contradictory. | ||
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oursblanc
Canada1450 Posts
On July 06 2011 02:07 Sbrubbles wrote: It's hard to wake a sleepwalker, but it's not impossible. It's amazing she couln't resist enough to wake him. I mean, a sleepwalker's reflexes can't be good enough to be able to forcefully subjulgate another person, even if she's considerably weaker ... right? I can easily subdue someone while asleep. I can also operate a computer, have a conversation, walk up and down stairs, turn on lights, take a shower, have sex, etc. All without any conscious recollection. | ||
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
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oursblanc
Canada1450 Posts
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iSTime
1579 Posts
On July 06 2011 02:07 Sbrubbles wrote: It's hard to wake a sleepwalker, but it's not impossible. It's amazing she couln't resist enough to wake him. I mean, a sleepwalker's reflexes can't be good enough to be able to forcefully subjulgate another person, even if she's considerably weaker ... right? I don't sleepwalk without recollection, but I often wake up and am in a very odd state of mind. Physically, I am pretty close to fully functioning, but my understanding of things is completely incorrect. It's not hard for me to imagine doing the same thing but not remembering the incident at all. (hell, as far as I know maybe that happens somtimes as well!) E.g., one time I woke up at went to the window and my GF was like "what are you doing?" to which I replied with some incoherent sentence, but at the time I felt absolutely convinced that I had a reason for being there. After about a minute of trying to explain I became frustrated and laid back down. | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2922 Posts
"The teenager told the court she had woken in the middle of the night to find Mr Davies having sex with her." That made me lol; you're sleeping and only wake up when you're in the middle of a pounding session? Yeah right. | ||
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nemo14
United States425 Posts
On July 06 2011 02:10 oursblanc wrote: I can easily subdue someone while asleep. I can also operate a computer, have a conversation, walk up and down stairs, turn on lights, take a shower, have sex, etc. All without any conscious recollection. If you ever ladder while asleep, when you wake up be sure to message anyone you won against and tell them that you literally beat them in your sleep. | ||
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TYJ.Aoy
Brazil1265 Posts
I have to add though, that a lot of the things described seem a tad bit to weird and we're probably lacking a good deal of information about the issue, so this whole thread is kinda moot. | ||
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
On July 06 2011 02:16 Smorrie wrote: Obviously there are so many things not right with this story, makes me think it's some sort of hoax or random gossip. "The teenager told the court she had woken in the middle of the night to find Mr Davies having sex with her." That made me lol; you're sleeping and only wake up when you're in the middle of a pounding session? Yeah right. That is what happened in the case in Canada as well. Not everyone is a light sleeper. She was ill, maybe she had some Nyquil and it took a bit more to wake her. In the Canada case the guy actually put a condom on in his sleep before having sex with her. When she woke up and screamed and pushed him away, he just stood there staring at the wall for the entire period of time it took her to get all her shit and run out of the room. I'm mostly surprised by the number of people who have never heard about this condition. I've heard a lot about it over the last 10 years. For everyone who has an issue with the not-guilty ruling, please read a bit about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actus_reus After learning a bit about "actus reus" proceed to the section on voluntariness. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On July 06 2011 02:16 Smorrie wrote: Obviously there are so many things not right with this story, makes me think it's some sort of hoax or random gossip. "The teenager told the court she had woken in the middle of the night to find Mr Davies having sex with her." That made me lol; you're sleeping and only wake up when you're in the middle of a pounding session? Yeah right. There's that other thread on TL about sleep sex (not sexsomnia, just having sex with sleeping people)... | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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Slago
Canada726 Posts
please do not demonize the man, who was looking after this girl and an unfortunate set of circumstances led to this, the real problem is if the person who sent her in their knows of his condition cause than maybe they could face some sort of minor charges | ||
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Carnagath
230 Posts
On July 05 2011 22:40 Provocateur wrote: If you have sexsomnia maybe you shouldn't sleep in the same bed as a 16-year-old girl? An adult like him should know better. You should NEVER pass up the chance to sleep in the same bed as a 16 year old girl, no exceptions. | ||
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Gnial
Canada907 Posts
On July 06 2011 02:27 Slago wrote: I don't see a problem here, he never invited her in his bed, he suffers from an embarrassing disorder and probably doesn't make it public, and she was victim to sex against her will, and he did it unconsciously like he has before. please do not demonize the man, who was looking after this girl and an unfortunate set of circumstances led to this, the real problem is if the person who sent her in their knows of his condition cause than maybe they could face some sort of minor charges One thing that no one seems to have considered is that he could have told her to sleep in his bed earlier in the day, but he was asleep when she decided to exercise that option. For instance, he could have said, "my room is cooler, if you would prefer to sleep there" with the intention of sleeping somewhere else should she choose to exercise that option. Perhaps she didn't realize her room was too hot until he was already asleep and didn't want to bug him. Who knows. Anything could have happened - and if there is one thing I've learned about media coverage of rape-related criminal trials, it is that they pretty much always leave out information with the effect of making the accused seem worse than he actually is - whether he is found guilty or not guilty. Take everything you read with a grain of salt until you read the actual case judgement itself. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On July 06 2011 02:29 Carnagath wrote: You should NEVER pass up the chance to sleep in the same bed as a 16 year old girl, no exceptions. Terribly immature. | ||
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