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Deleted_143
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 07:39:22
July 02 2011 07:38 GMT
#161
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P3T3R
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada87 Posts
July 02 2011 07:38 GMT
#162
On July 02 2011 11:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I feel like the US should make a full switch to the metric system before we consider changing pi.


As a canadian, i support this cuz Canadians gotta know both...
"I don't care about the law. I care about justice"
sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
July 02 2011 07:42 GMT
#163
I think that it is more natural to learn pi since it is raiser to deal with diameter when learning about circumference. However, it is possible to change, as Planck's constant has shown us.
Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
July 02 2011 07:49 GMT
#164
We should change the first basic integer to 2, and make all integers multiples of 2. Most things are even numbers, shouldn't change much.

(I don't approve of tau over pi)
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
Rabbitmaster
Profile Joined August 2010
1357 Posts
July 02 2011 07:54 GMT
#165
On July 02 2011 11:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I feel like the US should make a full switch to the metric system before we consider changing pi.


Hehe this is very true. Get the priorities straight!

God is dead.
Quantum314
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England217 Posts
July 02 2011 07:58 GMT
#166
Nooooooo. I (for whatever reason) know pi to 38 decimal places. I dont fancy doing the mental arithmetic to double it every time.....
"Physicists are atoms way of thinking about atoms"
No_Roo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States905 Posts
July 02 2011 08:07 GMT
#167
On July 02 2011 13:15 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 11:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I feel like the US should make a full switch to the metric system before we consider changing pi.


Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 13:10 No_Roo wrote:
Where's the movement to ditch base 10? There's the real travesty. Base 8 would be a tremendous improvement.


And FIGHT!


Nah, no fight there, keep metric, just make it base 8
(US) NoRoo.fighting
Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
July 02 2011 08:13 GMT
#168
Use tau when tau is necessary, use pi when pi is necessary. Seems like the best idea to me. Besides, they have a point. 2pi comes up far more often... Hbar for example. Much easier to call it h/tau instead of h/2pi
Wesso
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 08:19:37
July 02 2011 08:18 GMT
#169
On July 02 2011 16:38 Klesky wrote:
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On July 02 2011 16:33 Wesso wrote:
On July 02 2011 16:30 Klesky wrote:
On July 02 2011 16:26 EatThePath wrote:
I already have a name for that number. I call it 2pi.

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I'm not just being a smartass. I dunno about you guys, but I literally just think about everything in terms of 2pi's already, because... duh? Give it a special name if you want.

Also, don't fuck up euler's identity, seriously man.


Euler's identity is better when you use tau.

e^(i*tau) = 1


no, you couldn't conclude e^(i pi) = -1 from this one, it could be e^(i pi) = 1.


I don't fully understand what you mean.

e^(i*x) = cis(x) = cos(x) + i*sin(x)

therefore,

e^(i*pi) = cis(pi) = cos(pi) + i*sin(pi) = -1 + i*0 = -1
e^(i*2pi) = cis(2pi) = cos(2pi) = i*sin(pi) = 1 + i*0 = 1

and as tau = 2pi

e^(i*tau) = cis(tau) = cos(tau) + i*sin(tau) = 1 + i*0 = 1

Nobody is trying to redefine pi in this thread, they're trying to say that 2pi is more elegant/natural/fundamental/whatever than pi; so much so that this new constant deserves it's own name, tau.


I mean that the elegance of e^(i pi) = -1 is a bit lost in e^(i tau) = 1, of course it's still true but it isn't as obvious, while e^(i pi) = -1 instantly implies e^(i tau) = 1 (by squaring)
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
July 02 2011 08:25 GMT
#170
I read a german article about this "revolution" and hoped it is an idea of a german busybody, and now I hear it's a worldwide movement?

Seriously, who cares? If a factor of 2 troubles you, maybe you shouldn't dabble in mathematics. This change in nomenclature would produce misunderstandings for years to come, it's just not worth it for some insignificant advantages.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
July 02 2011 08:30 GMT
#171
On July 02 2011 13:12 dangots0ul wrote:
Why must it be one of the other. Pi may be more tradition but Tau may be more practical. It doesn't hurt to have both, no?

It hurts a lot to have both actually, much more than a factor of 2 ever could.
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
July 02 2011 09:14 GMT
#172

On July 02 2011 11:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I feel like the US should make a full switch to the metric system before we consider changing pi.


I don't get what the big deal about the metric system is. Because everyone else uses it? If so then how about people stop speaking any language other than Chinese, Spanish and English, because those are the top 3 languages spoken in the world (in terms of native speakers.)

And the fields that matter (science/military) use international units anyways.
Krikan
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway520 Posts
July 02 2011 09:21 GMT
#173
On July 02 2011 11:35 L3gendary wrote:
I say no, just for the sake of Euler's identity.

This man speak the truth!
Naniwa on making the MLG finals: Uh, it's ok.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
July 02 2011 09:21 GMT
#174
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ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
July 02 2011 09:22 GMT
#175
If there could be both the Planck constant (h) and Dirac constant (h/2pi), there could be a constant that means 2pi along pi, I don't have anything against it. That said, I'd never use it.
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
July 02 2011 09:24 GMT
#176
I think the thread title is a bit misleading because you don't really get rid of pi as the number stays the same. You just replace the general definitions with tau to make it more intuitive.

How would having tau and pi hurt anything? Surely they could co-exist peacefully?
"Alán Shore" and "August Terran" @ LoL EUW - liquidparty
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
July 02 2011 09:27 GMT
#177
On July 02 2011 18:24 Schnake wrote:
I think the thread title is a bit misleading because you don't really get rid of pi as the number stays the same. You just replace the general definitions with tau to make it more intuitive.

How would having tau and pi hurt anything? Surely they could co-exist peacefully?

Making 2 constants out of one is incredibly inefficient.
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
July 02 2011 09:28 GMT
#178
id prefer two pies over one pie
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
Kishuu
Profile Joined January 2010
Brazil108 Posts
July 02 2011 09:32 GMT
#179
I read the OP as "Get rid of the PF?" I thought like, FUCK YEA, I hate when the map sucks and terrans take a quick 3rd with a planetary fortress D:
Arirtor
Profile Joined April 2011
China76 Posts
July 02 2011 09:41 GMT
#180
You can't through pie at teacher on tau DAY, so No!, i like my pie day at my school every year!!!
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