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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 11:36:14
July 02 2011 11:35 GMT
#201
On July 02 2011 20:24 hifriend wrote:
lmao my math professor used to go on and on about tau and how it's superior to pi

is there any reason we can't use both?


Well it essentially becomes redundant, to force kids to learn about two irrational numbers and many new formulas when one number is just double the other... since many formulas don't just become 2* the other formula anymore.

I'm a math education guy, and I'm fine with sticking with pi. I've read the arguments for tau. Some are pretty cool, but not enough to make me a proponent for the change.
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Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
July 02 2011 11:37 GMT
#202
Why not just use both? Really that hard to have 1 more important formula?
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decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
July 02 2011 11:44 GMT
#203
makes perfect sense;
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decemberTV
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 11:47:30
July 02 2011 11:47 GMT
#204
On July 02 2011 20:37 Klipsys wrote:
Why not just use both? Really that hard to have 1 more important formula?


I believe quite recently we had a mars rover landing crash because some people did the math in feet but then programed the landing in meters.
decemberTV
hns
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany609 Posts
July 02 2011 11:50 GMT
#205
I personally think it's a dumb idea. If anyone is convinced about its profits, so be it, but I really doubt the benefits of the change will compensate for the sheer effort behind a possible change.
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Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
July 02 2011 11:50 GMT
#206
On July 02 2011 20:47 decemberTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 20:37 Klipsys wrote:
Why not just use both? Really that hard to have 1 more important formula?


I believe quite recently we had a mars rover landing crash because some people did the math in feet but then programed the landing in meters.


Well that's just absurd, and if that's a NASA blunder I'm ashamed for my country lol. Seriously thought, getting rid of pi just feels wrong. I can understand the importance of accepting new information and implementing it correctly, but to disregard something as massive as pi seems foolish.
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Klipsys
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1533 Posts
July 02 2011 11:52 GMT
#207
On July 02 2011 20:50 hns wrote:
I personally think it's a dumb idea. If anyone is convinced about its profits, so be it, but I really doubt the benefits of the change will compensate for the sheer effort behind a possible change.



This is think is the wrong approach, there's no real way to determine how a change could effect anything.
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
July 02 2011 11:54 GMT
#208
This is a great idea, but there is one pro-pi argument that was unaddressed:

Calculating volumes using integrals. It would be really annoying writing 1/2 tau every time instead of pi.
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OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
July 02 2011 12:01 GMT
#209
On July 02 2011 20:54 writer22816 wrote:
This is a great idea, but there is one pro-pi argument that was unaddressed:

Calculating volumes using integrals. It would be really annoying writing 1/2 tau every time instead of pi.


Yes, but there's about a billion formulas around that are the opposite. Fourier transformations for instance.
Sqalevon
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands523 Posts
July 02 2011 12:04 GMT
#210
Makes sense, but i'd rather have the entire world on the metric system / SI units
Latedi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden1027 Posts
July 02 2011 12:08 GMT
#211
This feels incredibly unnecessary. The value is just 2pi instead of pi so the change wouldn't mean something huge like using degrees or radians. Seems to me like the mathematicians are doing this for publicity or something.
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Casta
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark234 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 12:18:00
July 02 2011 12:14 GMT
#212
Keep pi as it is because of the history behind it.

If you really are annoyed just define 2pi as tau, do the calculations and then go back to 2pi in the result.

Btw im a math guy.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
July 02 2011 12:24 GMT
#213
I love pi, but on the same time I'm sick of doing 2pi or pi*2, so tau is much better for practical use.
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OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 12:28:24
July 02 2011 12:27 GMT
#214
On July 02 2011 21:14 Casta wrote:
Keep pi as it is because of the history behind it.

If you really are annoyed just define 2pi as tau, do the calculations and then go back to 2pi in the result.

Btw im a math guy.


Couldn't you make that argument for the SI system as well? (Or any changes to conventions in math, really). It seems like a really conservative approach.
Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
July 02 2011 12:32 GMT
#215
i'd have to get a new calculator with a tau sign.
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
July 02 2011 12:38 GMT
#216
360 degrees equaling 1 tau radians makes a lot more sense, but its way too much work to try and change the system that the whole world uses and, as many have said, it could be put to more use by getting the whole world to use metric.
hns
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany609 Posts
July 02 2011 12:44 GMT
#217
On July 02 2011 20:52 Klipsys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 20:50 hns wrote:
I personally think it's a dumb idea. If anyone is convinced about its profits, so be it, but I really doubt the benefits of the change will compensate for the sheer effort behind a possible change.



This is think is the wrong approach, there's no real way to determine how a change could effect anything.


Well, the change in fact does not change anything fundamentally. It's not like this will make us able to obtain new theorems or proofs or whatever which we couldn't find before. This is simply a more or less cosmetic change aimed at better understandability or intuition.

On July 02 2011 21:38 Eufouria wrote:
360 degrees equaling 1 tau radians makes a lot more sense, but its way too much work to try and change the system that the whole world uses and, as many have said, it could be put to more use by getting the whole world to use metric.


360° corresponding to 1 tau has a certain appeal I must admit, yet the area of the unit circle being tau/2 instead of pi just gives me the creeps.. :o
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ShAsTa
Profile Joined November 2002
Belgium2841 Posts
July 02 2011 12:49 GMT
#218
If they want to change things for the better, first switch to the metric system.
If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
Bellygareth
Profile Joined October 2010
France512 Posts
July 02 2011 12:52 GMT
#219
On July 02 2011 20:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2011 20:24 hifriend wrote:
lmao my math professor used to go on and on about tau and how it's superior to pi

is there any reason we can't use both?


Well it essentially becomes redundant, to force kids to learn about two irrational numbers and many new formulas when one number is just double the other... since many formulas don't just become 2* the other formula anymore.

I'm a math education guy, and I'm fine with sticking with pi. I've read the arguments for tau. Some are pretty cool, but not enough to make me a proponent for the change.


He's right Tau > Pi because tau=2pi and 2pi>Pi .

Pi and Tau are dumb anyway. I'm a Sigma guy myself (S=3pi).
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
July 02 2011 13:02 GMT
#220
This is the most pointless thing I've ever heard.

1) There aren't enough variables, with all of the greek and english alphabet we still have an ungodly amount of overlap taking away another one is not good. For the record lowercase pi is reserved for the most part, I don't think I've ever seen anyone use it as a variable, same with lowercase e.

2) Yes this simplifies radians but to say that it simplifies geometry is dumb. It may simplify some equations but certainly not all.
circumference = tau*r, circumference = 2*pi*r
yep that one becomes slightly easier
area=tau/2*r^2, area = pi*r^2
and that one becomes more cumbersome
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