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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
July 02 2011 14:41 GMT
#241
pi.com has a couple billion users already. I think this social networking site is too large, we cannot switch to tau.
SpaceFighting
Profile Joined January 2010
New Zealand690 Posts
July 02 2011 14:43 GMT
#242
what tau fuck is this shit
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revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
July 02 2011 14:52 GMT
#243
On July 02 2011 23:23 Zephirdd wrote:
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On July 02 2011 23:17 videogames wrote:
So e^ipi+1=0 would be no more?


it'd be e^i*tau=1


Or really...

e^{i*tau}-1=0
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
July 02 2011 14:56 GMT
#244
As a non-mathematician, I can also say I don't care

Seriously, even with my limited understanding, seems like a pretty trivial point.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
July 02 2011 15:06 GMT
#245
For every case of elegance with Tau theres also a case of elegence for Pi.

Pi has been used for hundres/thosands of years i think there is a reason for that tbh.
mangomango
Profile Joined September 2009
United States265 Posts
July 02 2011 15:38 GMT
#246
tau is imba! It needs a nerf.
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Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-02 15:40:37
July 02 2011 15:40 GMT
#247
Switching to this would be like my mother switching from counting British money in crowns, shillings etc. into pounds and pence; I do all of my pi-related math with pi and all of the elegance that comes with it (along with having like 9 digits memorized by heart). It's too late for me (read: too lazy) to switch at this point, so it would be something for the next generation to take hold of if they wanted to. But, I really don't see any particular benefit to the switch. It's still the same old constant. The concept of pi is a lot more important than the digits themselves.
alepov
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands1132 Posts
July 02 2011 15:42 GMT
#248
euler equations would look bad with tau. anyway, why not use both.
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Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
July 02 2011 15:44 GMT
#249
what would the tau sign look like though? pi looks good already
alepov
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands1132 Posts
July 02 2011 15:47 GMT
#250
On July 03 2011 00:44 Nuttyguy wrote:
what would the tau sign look like though? pi looks good already

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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 02 2011 15:49 GMT
#251
I'm curious as to why there's this need for it. I'm perfectly fine with having just Pi, and Tau is just another simplification (which isn't necessary anyway).
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ShocK~
Profile Joined May 2011
United States5 Posts
July 02 2011 15:56 GMT
#252
I'm all for using a constant equal to 2pi, but not if it's tau. Using tau for Torque is so easy.
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Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
July 02 2011 16:22 GMT
#253
On July 03 2011 00:47 alepov wrote:
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what would the tau sign look like though? pi looks good already

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i like pi better won't confuse my writing when i'm writing fast.
Veldril
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand1817 Posts
July 02 2011 16:23 GMT
#254
I don't really mind using a constant to denote 2pi. But using tau is not a good idea because it is already used for so many variables already.
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Chras
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada50 Posts
July 02 2011 16:25 GMT
#255
Now people are going to have to memorize another huge number to ridiculous amount of digits as a useless talent. Oh noes...
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thabanana
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada31 Posts
July 02 2011 16:32 GMT
#256
honestly, they should be focused on more important things than this, (the guys that started the movement and those following)
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MementoMori
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada419 Posts
July 02 2011 16:39 GMT
#257
I'm not a mathematician but what's the problem with just using both?? If the formula is easier to understand using pi then use pi, if it is with tau then use tau! But maybe there's an issue I'm not seeing
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linuxfan
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark55 Posts
July 02 2011 16:49 GMT
#258
On July 02 2011 11:35 L3gendary wrote:
I say no, just for the sake of Euler's identity.


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EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
July 02 2011 16:53 GMT
#259
On July 02 2011 23:12 Workforce wrote:
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On July 02 2011 22:40 DoubleReed wrote:
Euler's identity (e^(pi*i) = -1) and the area of a circle/sphere are really the best arguments against. And the fact is that area is a lot more useful in actual problems. Pi is fine.

The area of a circle for tau would be tau/2 * r^2 instead of pi * r^2. That's plenty ugly.

Additionally, any angle above pi is larger than 180 degrees, or improper angles which could be simplified down.

There is absolutely no reason is care enough to change. I don't see how it's any simpler to learn when you're younger.


No. Euler's identity becomes even more elegant with Tau ( e^(i*Tau) = 1), which also neatly highlights the geometric interpretation of the formula (That one TURN in the complex plane takes you around in a circle and back to the same place).

Also, lets look at some common quadratic forms that pop up in physics:

*The distance a body falls in earth's gravitational field is (1/2)gt^2
*The energy stored in spring is (1/2)kx^2
*The kinetic energy of a body is (1/2)mv^2

Aaaand i guess you can see where this is going...

*The area of a circle is (1/2)Tau*r^2

BAM.


That's a coincidental and purely cosmetic similarity. There are lots of 1/2xy^2 things in physics because there are lots of linear relationships you integrate to get a quantity which is more meaningful. Lots of constant gradients.

The relation of the area of a trivial object in a plane to its defining characteristic (circle: radius) is just a function of how you construct the object and doesn't really have a deeper meaning. Unless you want to use it as an analogy. With tau, you want to define a circle by its diameter, which is not actually how you naturally construct a circle (in my opinion). It seems ugly to me. The reason we have pi is because the greeks used a compass to do geometry.

What if I wanted to arbitrarily choose a new defining characteristic for a square? I want to "name" a square by its diagonal, r, not its side, x. Usually we say A = x^2. In terms of the diagonal, it's A = 1/2 r^2. BAM rings hollow. Though I admit it's superficially attractive at first.
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Workforce
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden70 Posts
July 02 2011 16:58 GMT
#260
On July 03 2011 01:39 MementoMori wrote:
I'm not a mathematician but what's the problem with just using both?? If the formula is easier to understand using pi then use pi, if it is with tau then use tau! But maybe there's an issue I'm not seeing


The point the Tauists are trying to get across is that its pretty much always easier or more intuitive to use tau instead of pi.

To the people saying it would just be more confusing for students: You dont have to make a big deal out of this. All you have to do is at some point say "for convinience sake let tau = 2*pi" and continue from there.
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