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Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
January 11 2017 04:12 GMT
#11321
I get the concern but I think in general there just weren't a lot of authorities that would be upset about the CPR thing. There's no medical establishment to piss off except some crazy old ladies who you absolutely *could* convince everyone were witches. Anyway, you'd likely be trying to work hand in hand with local midwives and whatever the local clerical establishment is. Staying on the good side of the clergy would be important. The fact that my Latin is passable and my Frankish is non-existent means that I'd actually be better able to communicate with them than with most people. Knowing Greek and Hebrew might be useful outside of Western Europe, but less useful within it.

I actually think generally you'd want more just generally useful skills than people usually think about. I'm decent with swords and horses and wilderness medicine, and all that would be quite handy. Languages are huge.

I also think a respect for the past matters. In your whole "identify what problems they have, come up with a scapegoat for their problems" bit I worry you're acting like politicians haven't always understood this. People in the Middle Ages weren't any stupider than people today... they just lacked the benefit of centuries of moral and scientific advancement. Being cynical is a good way to get stupid and get killed. + Show Spoiler +
For instance, who exactly would you target with your scapegoating? Any which way will make you enemies. Even the easy targets, like Jews, often had clerical protectors. (Nevermind that targeting them for your own benefit makes you kind of a Nazi.) And if you whip up crusading frenzy, they might just expect you to come along.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12061 Posts
January 11 2017 09:56 GMT
#11322
Indeed. A lot of people have this idea that people of the past were stupid, and did stupid stuff for stupid reasons. I think if you are actually there, you will find that most individuals have very good reasons for doing stuff the way they do it, that might not actually be apparent to you now. Yes, as a society, they did a lot of stuff in suboptimal ways for weird reasons (But even here, probably a lot less than you would expect). But not as individuals. Usually, if you look at something weird someone did a bit deeper, and look at the alternatives that were open to them personally, it makes a lot of sense.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18486 Posts
January 11 2017 10:07 GMT
#11323
Honestly, if you find yourself in 1000AD in Europe, your best bet is to know Arabic and move to Andalusia. Everywhere else was a real mess with no opportunity for scientific or technological development. Andalusia was in the middle of the Arabic golden age, and where scientific breakthroughs were happening. Not sure they'd like your blond hair and blue eyes, but maybe travel on to Fez and claim to be a Berber or so.

300 years later, you'd want to be in Florence or Rome, but 1000AD is too early for Renaissance ideas to take root. And northern Europe was a bunch of feuding warlords until 1500 or so (when they weren't united by a religious fervor to go and take heathen lands in the name of God). Regardless of whether they had good reasons for it, it was not a good time/place for your future tech. They'd accept the crankshaft, though
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12061 Posts
January 11 2017 10:44 GMT
#11324
On January 11 2017 19:07 Acrofales wrote:
Honestly, if you find yourself in 1000AD in Europe, your best bet is to know Arabic and move to Andalusia. Everywhere else was a real mess with no opportunity for scientific or technological development. Andalusia was in the middle of the Arabic golden age, and where scientific breakthroughs were happening. Not sure they'd like your blond hair and blue eyes, but maybe travel on to Fez and claim to be a Berber or so.

300 years later, you'd want to be in Florence or Rome, but 1000AD is too early for Renaissance ideas to take root. And northern Europe was a bunch of feuding warlords until 1500 or so (when they weren't united by a religious fervor to go and take heathen lands in the name of God). Regardless of whether they had good reasons for it, it was not a good time/place for your future tech. They'd accept the crankshaft, though


You make "travel to Andalusia" sound so easy

Imagine having to walk there from Germany. Through dozens of feuding feudal lords territories. Without any good roads. Without any soldiers escorting you. With a lot of stuff that makes you look like a rich dude without an escort.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
January 11 2017 10:51 GMT
#11325
Would you rather go back to 1000AD or stay here, in our present time?
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12178 Posts
January 11 2017 11:15 GMT
#11326
On January 11 2017 06:55 mantequilla wrote:
I have a sleep problem for years.

Regular people need 8 hours of sleep and go to bed and wake up certain times, especially working people. Like 00-08, 23-07

My problem is I become sleepy 2 hours later everyday. Like for example if I go to bed at 23 tonight, tomorrow I become sleepy at 01. This is causing me either:

- late to work too often
- sleepy all the day

routine life is too tough


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep–wake_disorder#Sighted_5

Have you tried a longer period of forcing yourself to go up a set time each day, including weekends? Would take like two weeks to start setting into it. Just to make sure if it is a non 24-hour sleep disorder or not. Or maybe talking to some professional might be better than any advice I can give.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-11 11:25:47
January 11 2017 11:25 GMT
#11327
I've read somewhere that to build habit of doing something our mind needs 21 days consecutive doing that thing. So if anyone wants to begin doing exercises, get the habit to sleep and wake up at exact times, or anything that you want to get used to on your routine you should do it religiously everyday for 21 days. After that it'll be automatic.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18486 Posts
January 11 2017 11:29 GMT
#11328
On January 10 2017 23:35 Simberto wrote:
You are not going to find the semiconductors necessary to build a diode. I guess you could try cannibalizing your charger cable,


http://hackaday.com/2016/05/01/home-made-diodes-from-copper-oxide/

Not a very good diode, but that goes together with your not very good alternator

My guess is that a dynamo would work better, although it's more finicky to construct properly.

As for simple tech that you could use to propel yourself to (local) fame and riches without seeming too much like a witch/wizard:

1. Compass
2. Crankshaft (although reading up on it, the crankshaft was apparently known already in Roman times. Not quite sure why it took until the 1500s for the Dutch to put them to good use in sawmills. Perhaps construction tech was not up to snuff?)
3. Gunpowder
4. Blast furnaces (and by extension, steel)

You might also want to introduce Bacon's scientific method, and Newtonian mechanics, but it might be too much voodoo all at once. Even so, with the tech above, you have basically set the technological conditions to skip straight to the industrial revolution. Steam power is pretty straightforward if you have the above. The next big steps require a lot of scientific insight, though, and I'm not sure how much you can skip. Even Faraday's theory was not accepted by his peers until Maxwell gave the mathematical equations.

Also, not sure how the tech will be used. The socio-cultural environment is still one of the dark ages. No clue how the church will react to technological progress without the reforms and enlightenment to temper the Vatican's power... presumably the crusades would be amped up significantly. Alternatively, if you go with my suggestion above of moving to Andalusia, I'd assume a second Arabic expansion that conquers all of Europe and then uses the improved navigation of the compass, and the increased boatbuilding of the sawmill to conquer the Americas too. Or perhaps their infighting would just intensify and speed up the reconquista.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18486 Posts
January 11 2017 11:32 GMT
#11329
On January 11 2017 19:44 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 19:07 Acrofales wrote:
Honestly, if you find yourself in 1000AD in Europe, your best bet is to know Arabic and move to Andalusia. Everywhere else was a real mess with no opportunity for scientific or technological development. Andalusia was in the middle of the Arabic golden age, and where scientific breakthroughs were happening. Not sure they'd like your blond hair and blue eyes, but maybe travel on to Fez and claim to be a Berber or so.

300 years later, you'd want to be in Florence or Rome, but 1000AD is too early for Renaissance ideas to take root. And northern Europe was a bunch of feuding warlords until 1500 or so (when they weren't united by a religious fervor to go and take heathen lands in the name of God). Regardless of whether they had good reasons for it, it was not a good time/place for your future tech. They'd accept the crankshaft, though


You make "travel to Andalusia" sound so easy

Imagine having to walk there from Germany. Through dozens of feuding feudal lords territories. Without any good roads. Without any soldiers escorting you. With a lot of stuff that makes you look like a rich dude without an escort.

It wouldn't be easy, and you'd be considered a real weirdo. But people did travel long distances. You could claim you were on pilgrimage to Santiago for most of the trip. Of course the trip is hard. But the chance of changing history, rather than being burned on the stake, seems worth it.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12061 Posts
January 11 2017 11:46 GMT
#11330
On January 11 2017 19:51 Pontual wrote:
Would you rather go back to 1000AD or stay here, in our present time?


Unless you are talking about basically a short holiday trip, I'd be very surprised if the answer is "go back" for pretty much anyone.

I like water, toilets, good food, electric light, a nice bed, clothing, medicine, and a lot of other modern comforts way too much.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
January 11 2017 11:55 GMT
#11331
Of course i also like the same things as much you do. But i would take that chance any day. Not because it's easy, but because i'm dumb curious. Probably i would be a homeless person since day one tho lol
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
January 11 2017 11:55 GMT
#11332
For me it's all about the medical care, honestly. I am an outdoorsy person, I could easily live in a non-developed era. But I also happen to have a plethora of random medical issues that would make my life pretty hard if I couldn't see a 21st doctor every year or so.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18486 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-11 11:59:31
January 11 2017 11:57 GMT
#11333
Oh, add Penicillin to the list of easy "inventions" above. Holy crap.

And no, you don't have to know about bacteria to see that Penicillin works. While everybody else is bloodletting to no effect, you feed them mouldy bread. GG. You just solved TBC, Bubonic Plague and a whole host of lesser diseases about 900 years early.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
January 11 2017 11:58 GMT
#11334
On January 11 2017 20:57 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, add Penecilin to the list of easy "inventions" above. Holy crap.


Good luck finding the right kind of mold that kills the bacteria but not you. It's not just "eat stale bread".
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18486 Posts
January 11 2017 12:01 GMT
#11335
On January 11 2017 20:58 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2017 20:57 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, add Penecilin to the list of easy "inventions" above. Holy crap.


Good luck finding the right kind of mold that kills the bacteria but not you. It's not just "eat stale bread".

I guess my secondary school education is not really a good source for this, but pretty sure it's the green mould that grows on bread. I didn't mind green mould when I was a student. If it was orange or black, that was the sign to toss your food :D
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
January 11 2017 12:07 GMT
#11336
If i became someone important the thing I would try the most would be spread equality, between men, women, ethnicities. Not that i would make nobles giveaway money to the poor, that would be suicidal. But making so women are allowed to go to school (or something like it) would already be a future changer already. Even more so, spread the idea that education is important and should be available for all.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5232 Posts
January 11 2017 12:18 GMT
#11337
There's an extreme amount of fungus species estimated to live on this Earth. Said as being the most diverse kingdom out there. I can't find more specific info at first glance describing generic house molds (for example) and its biodiversity, but it should still be alot. Still, identifying mold by its colour alone is actually extremely naive and might get you killed in the easiest (and probably very painful) way possible, or at the very least make you sick.
Taxes are for Terrans
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5232 Posts
January 11 2017 12:26 GMT
#11338
On January 11 2017 21:07 Pontual wrote:
If i became someone important the thing I would try the most would be spread equality, between men, women, ethnicities. Not that i would make nobles giveaway money to the poor, that would be suicidal. But making so women are allowed to go to school (or something like it) would already be a future changer already. Even more so, spread the idea that education is important and should be available for all.


I think that's a shortsighted way of looking at society. Certain evolutions in society are a direct byproduct of other changes, like the industrial revolution for example. Do you honestly think in an era where like.. 0.001% or something of the population were educated that you could spread an idea of education between men and women? By the way, rich women were educated, perhaps not in the same branches as men, but they most definitely were. The most simple and straightforward example I can give is this.

Only when you can start to think about issues like this, and not having to worry about how to survive every single minute of your life, you can start with doing this. Equality (and to an extent education) is a direct byproduct by a societies prosperity imo.
Taxes are for Terrans
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
January 11 2017 12:54 GMT
#11339
Meh, I still think it's a thing worth the whole going to the past. And also think that in the right conditions one could have success. So yes, i honestly think that even with just 0,001% of the population educated i could spread the idea of education between men and women. Not that i would for sure make so woman and man are equals, but the ideology would have a foundation, so at least if there's no education in my period, perhaps in the next 150 years most leaders would think that education for all is something that should be pursued.
Imo it would be more game changer than gunpowder, agriculture upgrades and most scientific things you know, since i'm guessing explaining math, biology and physics would just not reach enough people.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
January 11 2017 13:03 GMT
#11340
I think Uldrige is onto something here though. All of the equality and education and shit exploded when people start having time to care about it, that is, stopped having to work 12 hours a day to eat. So the best way to get this rollign would indeed be to introduce efficient technologies to replace human labour.

Doing that in 700 years too early, with enough hindsight at hand could have the benefit of undepleted natural resources. A lot of stuff was really lying around back then and a lot of it was eventually wasted on things that were not very useful, because the development was slow. Also, there weren't nearly as many people to feed back then. With the right technology and all these free minerals, I bet you could make industrial revolution in the blink of an eye, suddenly removing scarcity from many aspects of life and that could be the fastest gateway to social changes you can imagine.

I am still betting on the "burned at stake" outcome though.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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