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On December 16 2016 02:26 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 02:23 Uldridge wrote:
Because they don't look secretarial enough? I think it's alot harder to pull off an explicitly obvious secretary costume as a male than as a female. I think you'd need some kind of prop (oldskool phone or headset or some shit).
Honestly, perhaps it's the standard gender roles where the male in suit is the boss and the female helps. (is this -not so subtle- sexism discussion bait?) I don't think I'd actually think anything when I see a male or female in suit though, except for: huh, nicely dressed person. Psssst, it was a Thieving Magpie question. Of course it's a not-so-subtle sexism discussion bait.
Shots fired.
We have a new secretary at work for VPs, he's been awesome. But I was just curious if anyone would know he was a secretary following our VP around or if they would think he was an intern/direct report. Then I realized I couldn't actually think of what people would imagine a male secretary would look like.
Hence my question.
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How do you know a woman is dressed like secretary and not like a boss?
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On December 16 2016 02:31 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 02:26 Acrofales wrote:On December 16 2016 02:23 Uldridge wrote:
Because they don't look secretarial enough? I think it's alot harder to pull off an explicitly obvious secretary costume as a male than as a female. I think you'd need some kind of prop (oldskool phone or headset or some shit).
Honestly, perhaps it's the standard gender roles where the male in suit is the boss and the female helps. (is this -not so subtle- sexism discussion bait?) I don't think I'd actually think anything when I see a male or female in suit though, except for: huh, nicely dressed person. Psssst, it was a Thieving Magpie question. Of course it's a not-so-subtle sexism discussion bait. Shots fired. We have a new secretary at work for VPs, he's been awesome. But I was just curious if anyone would know he was a secretary following our VP around or if they would think he was an intern/direct report. Then I realized I couldn't actually think of what people would imagine a male secretary would look like. Hence my question.
The secretaries at my work don't walk around in sexy secretary outfits. In fact, they dress just like all the other women at my work. And I'm not sure why it matters? And gender seems rather irrelevant for your actual question: why do you think people would assume that a woman following around your VPs would be the secretary and not an intern/direct report?
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On December 16 2016 02:40 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 02:31 Thieving Magpie wrote:On December 16 2016 02:26 Acrofales wrote:On December 16 2016 02:23 Uldridge wrote:
Because they don't look secretarial enough? I think it's alot harder to pull off an explicitly obvious secretary costume as a male than as a female. I think you'd need some kind of prop (oldskool phone or headset or some shit).
Honestly, perhaps it's the standard gender roles where the male in suit is the boss and the female helps. (is this -not so subtle- sexism discussion bait?) I don't think I'd actually think anything when I see a male or female in suit though, except for: huh, nicely dressed person. Psssst, it was a Thieving Magpie question. Of course it's a not-so-subtle sexism discussion bait. Shots fired. We have a new secretary at work for VPs, he's been awesome. But I was just curious if anyone would know he was a secretary following our VP around or if they would think he was an intern/direct report. Then I realized I couldn't actually think of what people would imagine a male secretary would look like. Hence my question. The secretaries at my work don't walk around in sexy secretary outfits. In fact, they dress just like all the other women at my work. And I'm not sure why it matters? And gender seems rather irrelevant for your actual question: why do you think people would assume that a woman following around your VPs would be the secretary and not an intern/direct report?
Primarily because the only folks who follow them around are secretaries and the other VPs. Most everyone else is trying to meet deadlines.
As to your question: it's because everyone who visits always asks me "what's the name of his secretary" as the VP walks by. I'm not assuming--it's literally what people do. But the male secretary we have I've never been asked that question.
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On December 16 2016 03:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 02:40 Acrofales wrote:On December 16 2016 02:31 Thieving Magpie wrote:On December 16 2016 02:26 Acrofales wrote:On December 16 2016 02:23 Uldridge wrote:
Because they don't look secretarial enough? I think it's alot harder to pull off an explicitly obvious secretary costume as a male than as a female. I think you'd need some kind of prop (oldskool phone or headset or some shit).
Honestly, perhaps it's the standard gender roles where the male in suit is the boss and the female helps. (is this -not so subtle- sexism discussion bait?) I don't think I'd actually think anything when I see a male or female in suit though, except for: huh, nicely dressed person. Psssst, it was a Thieving Magpie question. Of course it's a not-so-subtle sexism discussion bait. Shots fired. We have a new secretary at work for VPs, he's been awesome. But I was just curious if anyone would know he was a secretary following our VP around or if they would think he was an intern/direct report. Then I realized I couldn't actually think of what people would imagine a male secretary would look like. Hence my question. The secretaries at my work don't walk around in sexy secretary outfits. In fact, they dress just like all the other women at my work. And I'm not sure why it matters? And gender seems rather irrelevant for your actual question: why do you think people would assume that a woman following around your VPs would be the secretary and not an intern/direct report? Primarily because the only folks who follow them around are secretaries and the other VPs. Most everyone else is trying to meet deadlines. As to your question: it's because everyone who visits always asks me "what's the name of his secretary" as the VP walks by. I'm not assuming--it's literally what people do. But the male secretary we have I've never been asked that question.
Well... are those people who always ask you men? And the previous secretary was someone they would want to think about maybe getting to know better *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* you know what I mean? So maybe now they also know that the guy following the VPs around is a secretary, but they just don't care what his name is, because their one-eyed trouser snake isn't interested in that prey.
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On December 16 2016 03:11 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 03:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On December 16 2016 02:40 Acrofales wrote:On December 16 2016 02:31 Thieving Magpie wrote:On December 16 2016 02:26 Acrofales wrote:On December 16 2016 02:23 Uldridge wrote:
Because they don't look secretarial enough? I think it's alot harder to pull off an explicitly obvious secretary costume as a male than as a female. I think you'd need some kind of prop (oldskool phone or headset or some shit).
Honestly, perhaps it's the standard gender roles where the male in suit is the boss and the female helps. (is this -not so subtle- sexism discussion bait?) I don't think I'd actually think anything when I see a male or female in suit though, except for: huh, nicely dressed person. Psssst, it was a Thieving Magpie question. Of course it's a not-so-subtle sexism discussion bait. Shots fired. We have a new secretary at work for VPs, he's been awesome. But I was just curious if anyone would know he was a secretary following our VP around or if they would think he was an intern/direct report. Then I realized I couldn't actually think of what people would imagine a male secretary would look like. Hence my question. The secretaries at my work don't walk around in sexy secretary outfits. In fact, they dress just like all the other women at my work. And I'm not sure why it matters? And gender seems rather irrelevant for your actual question: why do you think people would assume that a woman following around your VPs would be the secretary and not an intern/direct report? Primarily because the only folks who follow them around are secretaries and the other VPs. Most everyone else is trying to meet deadlines. As to your question: it's because everyone who visits always asks me "what's the name of his secretary" as the VP walks by. I'm not assuming--it's literally what people do. But the male secretary we have I've never been asked that question. Well... are those people who always ask you men? And the previous secretary was someone they would want to think about maybe getting to know better *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* you know what I mean? So maybe now they also know that the guy following the VPs around is a secretary, but they just don't care what his name is, because their one-eyed trouser snake isn't interested in that prey.
Its been both men and women--although that technically does not negate your theory assuming that only cis males and lesbians visit the office.
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I did not include bisexuals because they should be responding the same to both the male and female secretaries.
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You see, it took us a while, but we have now established that you aren't actually interested in whether a man in a suit would be acceptable as a sexy secretary costume, but rather you're peeved that people seem to interpret the woman following the VPs around as being a secretary (despite probably not wearing a sexy secretary costume), but don't interpret the man wearing a suit as such.
+ Show Spoiler +Although maybe that was the dead give away? And also probably got her fired, assuming you don't work on the set of a porn movie
We have thus established the appearance of a not-so-subtle attempt at starting a gender equality discussion was in fact a not-so-subtle attempt at starting a gender equality discussion.
I rest my case, your honor.
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On December 16 2016 03:19 Acrofales wrote:You see, it took us a while, but we have now established that you aren't actually interested in whether a man in a suit would be acceptable as a sexy secretary costume, but rather you're peeved that people seem to interpret the woman following the VPs around as being a secretary (despite probably not wearing a sexy secretary costume), but don't interpret the man wearing a suit as such. + Show Spoiler +Although maybe that was the dead give away? And also probably got her fired, assuming you don't work on the set of a porn movie We have thus established the appearance of a not-so-subtle attempt at starting a gender equality discussion was in fact a not-so-subtle attempt at starting a gender equality discussion. I rest my case, your honor.
The reason Holloween is brought up is that sexy secretary costumes are actually sold. And they are usually business suits with really short skirts and revealing cleavage. But what would a sexy secretary costume be for a man? There really isn't one. If they dress up to look good people assume James Bond/Spy, or Boss. But if someone knocked on the door and its a girl some business suite with cleavage and short skirt, very high chance the packaging it came from would say "Sexy Secretary"
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On December 16 2016 04:27 JimmiC wrote:
Well that is just halloween, I've seen "sexy tree" costume. Quite frankly that is more to do with men not being able to do anything to look overtly sexy any attempt would be super cheesy. I also read a study that women can do a "sexy voice" and men cannot. When men tried women just thought it was bad.
Shaft exists, point invalid.
If you listen Kendrick Lamar's Untitled Unmastered, the first track has a guy starting off with a sexy voice too.
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On December 16 2016 04:27 JimmiC wrote:
Well that is just halloween, I've seen "sexy tree" costume. Quite frankly that is more to do with men not being able to do anything to look overtly sexy any attempt would be super cheesy. I also read a study that women can do a "sexy voice" and men cannot. When men tried women just thought it was bad.
I used to live in the UK and I've found switching to the British accent does wonders...
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Barry White.
Yet another case closed.
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I think JimmiC had a different meaning of sexy voice in mind
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This actually has to do with rules preset by the patriarchy. Men are not inherently not sexy. Simply put, we are in a culture where we are trained to perceive femininity and sexuality to be entwined while masculinity is meant to be seen as powerful.
As such, "sexy voice" is always laced with the conceit of submission and submissiveness as being powerful is understood as masculine, the opposite is also true where to be submissive is feminine.
As such, a male trying to do a sexy voice breaks rules of the patriarchy as it is a male presenting himself as inherently submissive, and women and men are trained to look down on submissive men.
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On December 16 2016 05:20 Thieving Magpie wrote:This actually has to do with rules preset by the patriarchy. Men are not inherently not sexy. Simply put, we are in a culture where we are trained to perceive femininity and sexuality to be entwined while masculinity is meant to be seen as powerful. As such, "sexy voice" is always laced with the conceit of submission and submissiveness as being powerful is understood as masculine, the opposite is also true where to be submissive is feminine. As such, a male trying to do a sexy voice breaks rules of the patriarchy as it is a male presenting himself as inherently submissive, and women and men are trained to look down on submissive men.
Woohoo, this is the stupid questions thread. Here's one for ya!
If you have sex while drunk, are you actually being raped?
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On December 16 2016 05:29 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 05:20 Thieving Magpie wrote:This actually has to do with rules preset by the patriarchy. Men are not inherently not sexy. Simply put, we are in a culture where we are trained to perceive femininity and sexuality to be entwined while masculinity is meant to be seen as powerful. As such, "sexy voice" is always laced with the conceit of submission and submissiveness as being powerful is understood as masculine, the opposite is also true where to be submissive is feminine. As such, a male trying to do a sexy voice breaks rules of the patriarchy as it is a male presenting himself as inherently submissive, and women and men are trained to look down on submissive men. Woohoo, this is the stupid questions thread. Here's one for ya! If you have sex while drunk, are you actually being raped?
You'd be having sex while unable to consent. However you would like to define that is up to you.
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On December 16 2016 05:35 JimmiC wrote:
What about if you masterbate while drunk. Then are you raping yourself? And if your both drunk that double rape?
Consent is about autonomy. What you do to your own body does not require consent as you are not doing it to another person. Both people being under the influence means that both were unable to give consent unless it was provided before getting drunk.
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