On July 14 2016 05:45 Dark_Chill wrote:
BMI is useful for normal people (non-athletes), as being in the extreme of either side tends to put you at risk.

Its really better to say that BMI has a correlative relationship with health that includes many outliers and false positives, but the overall spread of the population makes it so that you are more likely to make a correct assumption than a wrong when doing so, but you should do heavy testing to prove a causal relationship.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

July 15 2016 00:33 GMT

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Gorsameth

Netherlands22490 Posts

July 15 2016 00:37 GMT

#9409

On July 15 2016 09:33 JimmiC wrote:
I guess I should have stated my first question more bluntly. Why does it appear that the politically correct world want to push being ok with being overweight as having a healthy body image?

Because the huge amount of fat people means they are a lucrative crowd to target for easy PR points.

Cascade

Australia5405 Posts

July 15 2016 02:36 GMT

#9410

Are you sure you are not mistaking "some clothes chains advertisement" for "politically correct world"?

To pick apart this formulation as well: I think grouping up "the politically correct world" as a homogeneous body with a single agenda is pretty misleading. Some people care about unhealthy body standards. Others care about gender equity. Others care about climate change. Others racism. And so on. Some can't handle when people swear. Animal cruelty. Others want everyone to believe in the one true god. There will be some overlap between these, and probably correlations, but I think that grouping all those into "politically correct world" will frequently get you into strawman arguments where you portray a bunch of viewpoints onto someone that express interest in one of them.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

July 15 2016 02:38 GMT

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Cascade

Australia5405 Posts

July 15 2016 02:56 GMT

#9412

On July 15 2016 11:38 JimmiC wrote:
Any generalization is just that a generalization I was trying to get a quick point/ question across not write a thesis.

But if your premise of the question isn't correct, it's not very meaningful. I'm not convinced that the "politically correct world", which is already ill defined, actually advocates the standpoint you are postulating. Which makes it difficult or even impossible to answer your question.

"Why is the sky green?"
"The sky isn't green. it's blue, or sometimes red or orange."
"I'm trying to ask a quick question, not write a thesis...."

if you ask "why do I believe that the politically correct world wants to push overweight being ok?" I can answer that: Because you over-generalise the "politically correct world", and think that advertisements have an agenda apart from selling the product.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

July 15 2016 03:02 GMT

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OtherWorld

France17333 Posts

July 15 2016 07:34 GMT

#9414

Answer to your question is because (1) there seems to be much more money to be made with overweight people than with healthy ppl (regarding food, most notably) and (2) it goes in the current narrative of not forcing ppl to do anything : if they want to be fat, they're free of it

Thieving Magpie

United States6752 Posts

July 15 2016 07:38 GMT

#9415

On July 15 2016 12:02 JimmiC wrote:
My mistake I thought I posted on the dumb question thread not the let's pick a pet the question like they are super intense thread.

I have read many article praise plus size models for courage and healthy body images by cnn, msn so on. How about instead the articles are honest and say plus size models are good for selling product to overweight people which is unhealthy. Its my belief that polictical correctness is the driving force to why they won't be accurate. I mean the politically correct people on the topic of not willing to say that being fat is bad. I think it's clear I mean that group and not the racism group or the animal cruelty group because this is not at all related to that. But I can't complain because it is also the dumb and we thread so congrats.

Edit you added the last paragraph after I posted my response which makes mine entirely to bitchy.

Is it really picking it apart if what you're saying doesn't actually say anything?

You are assuming a predefined conclusion "Plus size models are unhealthy and fat" and then postulating that a made up group in your mind represents a group of people who you believe both agree with you that plus size models are fat and hence should also believe that plus size models are unhealthy and then also believe that its okay to be unhealthy for the purpose of being politically correct.

Its too many logical leaps with none of them actually linking to each other unless you already have that conclusion in place.

I think what you meant to say is that you think only lanky women are healthy and anyone who disagrees with you are obviously an organized group of people out there trying to squelch your freedom of wanting to belittle others you don't find attractive. And you are confused why others on this thread don't agree with you.

Cascade

Australia5405 Posts

July 15 2016 08:34 GMT

#9416

Yes, it's the stupid questions thread. But it doesn't say that we won't pick the stupid question apart.

Anyway, it's interesting what you say about the articles. Care to link one (or a few), and we can have a look. I think we both agree that it is good with a bit of counter-movement to the overly skinny models you see sometimes. I think we also both agree that if they start praising unhealthily obese people, it's overdoing it.

But easier to have a meaningful discussion if we can take an actual article, just so we are talking about the same thing. Otherwise it'll be me talking about my opinion about my preconceived image of this movement, while you are talking about your image of it. Take a real article, and we are at least talking about the same thing.

Sorry about the edit, didn't expect you to be that fast with the reply.

Simberto

Germany11941 Posts

July 15 2016 09:11 GMT

#9417

An i think some of the point being made is that it isn't only about being fat or not, but also about happiness.

(1) Being healthy and happy >
(2) Being fat and happy >
(3) Being healthy and unhappy >
(4) Being fat and unhappy.

Ultraskinny probably falls at roughly the same point as fat. Obviously, it would be ideal to make people go to healthy and happy. However, the result you usually get when you tell them that they are way too fat is them going from 2 to 4, not them going from 2 to 1.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

July 15 2016 14:31 GMT

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Cascade

Australia5405 Posts

July 15 2016 14:59 GMT

#9419

On July 15 2016 23:31 JimmiC wrote:
I googled plus size models and it appears there is a whole subset of articles I wasn't reading where they were calling bigger men and women plus size (like tall and large humans but not fat) so if you guys had read those I get the responses.

I did link one earlier but it doesn't mention healthy just how sexy and confident the guy feels. And there is nothing wrong with that as long as people know it's still not healthy.

As I come across ones in the future that frustrate me I'll post them along with a comment.

Edit: I also sent cascade a PM for being a dick.

You're fine, don't worry. We were both arguing our points, no insults made. I know I can be a bit aggressive sometimes, but nothing personal. Sorry for that.

If you find an interesting article that can lead to a good discussion, and still feel up for it, have a go and post it.

Thieving Magpie

United States6752 Posts

July 15 2016 15:07 GMT

#9420

Yeah, that's the problem with the term "plus size" as it doesn't really denote fat, just "not skinny"

As an example, here's Robyn Lawley a plus size model:

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Here's Ali Tate, another plus size model:

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Here's Saffi Karina, another plus size model:

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When you say plus size models are unhealthy and are being celebrated for being unhealthy--a lot of them are women who look like that. There bigger women of course, but understand the range for what counts is plus size is fairly large.