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On April 28 2016 01:02 Yoav wrote:
Guys I love to debate feminism as much as the next guy, but you do realize you took the troll bait, took it out for dinner, showed it a good time, got it breakfast, called 15 minutes after, and now it thinks you're getting kinda clingy.
That's pretty much the best summary of this discussion ever 
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I guess it all depends on what you mean as functioning as well as before. I think studies have shown that less sleeptime = lesser ability to re-focus on something after being de-focused, but imo the most important thing with sleep is about what you feel. So, if you can sleep six hours and don't feel overly tired after a normal day of work, you're functioning as well as before. If not, then you're not, and if you need to sleep ten hours to be productive, then sleep ten hours. (in my experience though, I find that strangely enough, I'm more productive when sleeping only 4 to 6 hours than when sleeping more than 8 hours)
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On April 28 2016 01:09 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 01:02 Yoav wrote:
Guys I love to debate feminism as much as the next guy, but you do realize you took the troll bait, took it out for dinner, showed it a good time, got it breakfast, called 15 minutes after, and now it thinks you're getting kinda clingy. Ahaha, pretty accurate, yes. The unease felt by the troll from the clingyness was a nice touch, gj. I managed to stay out first 2-3 pages, and then came in when it was dying down and fired it up again. :o Ok, screw feminism discussion then. New Q: can you learn to sleep fewer hours, and still function as well as before, even with an intellectually demanding daytime work? How?
nvm I misunderstood your question. Otherworld is right
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On April 28 2016 01:14 OtherWorld wrote:
I guess it all depends on what you mean as functioning as well as before. I think studies have shown that less sleeptime = lesser ability to re-focus on something after being de-focused, but imo the most important thing with sleep is about what you feel. So, if you can sleep six hours and don't feel overly tired after a normal day of work, you're functioning as well as before. If not, then you're not, and if you need to sleep ten hours to be productive, then sleep ten hours. (in my experience though, I find that strangely enough, I'm more productive when sleeping only 4 to 6 hours than when sleeping more than 8 hours)
Me too... I sleep 5-6 hours every night, and I operate on full cylinders (that is to say, equal to or better than I operate with more or less sleep). Sometimes if I have a 12-15 hour work day, I might grab a 15-minute power nap halfway through, but I do that regardless of how much sleep I get the night before.
That being said, I'm pretty sure that there's been substantial medical research verifying that most adults *should* be getting like 7-8 hours of sleep each night on average, and even more for children.
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On April 28 2016 01:09 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 01:02 Yoav wrote:
Guys I love to debate feminism as much as the next guy, but you do realize you took the troll bait, took it out for dinner, showed it a good time, got it breakfast, called 15 minutes after, and now it thinks you're getting kinda clingy. Ahaha, pretty accurate, yes. The unease felt by the troll from the clingyness was a nice touch, gj. I managed to stay out first 2-3 pages, and then came in when it was dying down and fired it up again. :o Ok, screw feminism discussion then. New Q: can you learn to sleep fewer hours, and still function as well as before, even with an intellectually demanding daytime work? How?
Not sure it's healthy, but I don't feel like I am underperforming and I am sleeping significantly less hours than I used to (5-6 instead of 7-8). Of course, it's mostly due to stress, so I don't recommend it, but take that as you will.
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On April 28 2016 01:02 Yoav wrote:
Guys I love to debate feminism as much as the next guy, but you do realize you took the troll bait, took it out for dinner, showed it a good time, got it breakfast, called 15 minutes after, and now it thinks you're getting kinda clingy.
You can't deny our love! No matter how shitty he treats me, I know that deep down inside the troll truly cares!
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On April 28 2016 00:53 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 00:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On April 28 2016 00:36 JimmiC wrote:On April 27 2016 23:51 Cascade wrote:On April 27 2016 23:33 JimmiC wrote:On April 27 2016 22:37 Cascade wrote:On April 27 2016 09:17 JimmiC wrote:On April 27 2016 06:54 Naracs_Duc wrote:On April 27 2016 06:35 JimmiC wrote:
I would say feminism has been very successful in the western world and in some cases to the point where the extremists have pushed the pendulum past equal. In the rest of the world it has a long ways to go.
I think it's an odd thing but often the most extreme people of any movement tend to do harm to that movement. Where as the person most skilled or talented and something tends to the most for it. I believe the west is very very misogynistic and is only slightly better than most of the world--and I'm not even certain about that. Agree to disagree on this. There's a wealth of data showing how women are discriminated against in western society. It's not a matter of opinion unfortunately. I'm in science, so I know the examples from science. Some of the most striking studies are applications for positions that were sent to different places with male and female names, otherwise identical. And of course, the applications with male names got a lot more invitations for interviews than the applications with female names. I know the same has been done by (fiction book) authors, sent the same book to several places under male and female names, and the male names got like 2x the callbacks, and the declined books got much harsher criticism if you had a female name on it. There is also a wealth of situations where men are discriminated against. The easiest example is in divorce court when custody of a child is involved. That's a crappy example. You can very easily argue that the child belongs more to the mother than to the father, especially young children. You know, as she carries it around inside her for 9 months. And then breast feeds the baby for fair while after that. And in general stays home from work with the kid a lot longer than the dad. It would be discrimination to not acknowledge that difference in court. But please tell me more about the rest of this wealth of situations where men are discriminated against... That is such a sexist thing to say. Arguing that women are better parents with out looking at each situation individually. Next thing you are going to tell me that men make better firefighters police officers and soldiers because of their physiological strength advantages. Situation B: two applicants apply for the job one is male one is female. Female has less experience and performs worse in interview. Woman get's job because of lack of women in the field. Another situation women walks onto the bus there is no seat open man gets up and lets her have seat. What a sexist! There are many situations of sexism not all are bad or wrong. And some are there to attempt to make up for past wrongs and general wrongs in society. Pretending they don't exist is pointless. Also, the fact that you believe women are better parents makes you sexist. Just because it is against men doesn't make it not sexism. I know many many great fathers and some pretty shitty moms. There are both. Another example of sexism is most sitcoms have a dumb male making mistakes and some smart women who fixes it and helps the man be a better person. Imagine the show everybody loves Raymond with a gender reversal of the two main characters. People would be grabbing their pitchforks! Custody law is the way it is because most men run away from the kid, and the system autocorrects for it. Is it wrong? Sure, lots of things are wrong in this country. But its the way it is because of how men act about being made responsible for beings other than himself. Everybody Loves Raymond is completely sexist to both genders. Raymond is considered stupid while his wife is considered too good for him, but is expected to love him anyway despite never really giving her anything because its not a woman's choice who she is with. Women are expected to stay with people who are ugly, lazy, and spends most of their energy fighting with and harassing them. Because when you're in a bad relationship its not your call to make a better life for yourself, it is the man's call to make that life for you. Isn't saying that most men run away from the kid sexist?
Sexist would be to say that being a man makes you more prone to running away from kids.
Saying that, according to record, "more men are running away from their kids than not" is not sexist, because it is the recounting of data.
HOWEVER, it is also skewed data.
When would someone go to court over custody?
Either a parent is running away from the kid, or a couple is moving apart from each other and can't decide who brings the kid. (Happy families don't go to court because why would you?)
So you have two groups, one where a parent runs off, and one where parents are arguing over who gets to keep the kid.
The second group is less likely to go to court until they have realized that there is no way for them to come to terms. If it escalates, one parent will simply run off with the child, in which case it turns into kidnapping and not custody.
Of the first group, there are two ways it is handled. Either the mother doesn't want a kid, or the father doesn't want a kid.
If the mother doesn't want a kid, she gets an abortion (secretly or otherwise). If its too late for an abortion, then its a custody issue. (Notice how many filters there are before it gets here)
If the father doesn't want a kid, he simply runs off and the mother has to chase after--this automatically becomes a custody case.
Overview:
1 Parent runs off with child => Kidnapping
2 Parents argue who gets to keep child => Goes on for a long time before court is involved
Mother does not want child => Abortion or Custody Case (assuming father wants the mother involved)
Father does not want child => Custody Case (Assuming mother wants father involved)
The scenario with the least filters is the one where fathers run off from the kid, and hence the court compensates that optics issue with stricter laws against fathers running away. Mothers are automatically forced to stick with the child for at least 6-9 months before they can run off, so things get pretty predefined before custody cases become an issue.
This is not a sexism against men issue as much as it is a weakness of causative analysis. However, the fallout of this data produces the idea that there are more "deadbeat dads" than there are "deadbeat moms" when it comes to child custody--and that part is definitely sexist.
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its sexist of you to assume someone is more likely to do something based on their sex period. statistics should not alter your perception of a person lol
I think sleeping more is proven to provide health benefits, specifically measured and proven in weight lifters. but im not sure about the mental performance.
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On April 28 2016 03:26 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 00:45 Thieving Magpie wrote:On April 28 2016 00:36 JimmiC wrote:On April 27 2016 23:51 Cascade wrote:On April 27 2016 23:33 JimmiC wrote:On April 27 2016 22:37 Cascade wrote:On April 27 2016 09:17 JimmiC wrote:On April 27 2016 06:54 Naracs_Duc wrote:On April 27 2016 06:35 JimmiC wrote:
I would say feminism has been very successful in the western world and in some cases to the point where the extremists have pushed the pendulum past equal. In the rest of the world it has a long ways to go.
I think it's an odd thing but often the most extreme people of any movement tend to do harm to that movement. Where as the person most skilled or talented and something tends to the most for it. I believe the west is very very misogynistic and is only slightly better than most of the world--and I'm not even certain about that. Agree to disagree on this. There's a wealth of data showing how women are discriminated against in western society. It's not a matter of opinion unfortunately. I'm in science, so I know the examples from science. Some of the most striking studies are applications for positions that were sent to different places with male and female names, otherwise identical. And of course, the applications with male names got a lot more invitations for interviews than the applications with female names. I know the same has been done by (fiction book) authors, sent the same book to several places under male and female names, and the male names got like 2x the callbacks, and the declined books got much harsher criticism if you had a female name on it. There is also a wealth of situations where men are discriminated against. The easiest example is in divorce court when custody of a child is involved. That's a crappy example. You can very easily argue that the child belongs more to the mother than to the father, especially young children. You know, as she carries it around inside her for 9 months. And then breast feeds the baby for fair while after that. And in general stays home from work with the kid a lot longer than the dad. It would be discrimination to not acknowledge that difference in court. But please tell me more about the rest of this wealth of situations where men are discriminated against... That is such a sexist thing to say. Arguing that women are better parents with out looking at each situation individually. Next thing you are going to tell me that men make better firefighters police officers and soldiers because of their physiological strength advantages. Situation B: two applicants apply for the job one is male one is female. Female has less experience and performs worse in interview. Woman get's job because of lack of women in the field. Another situation women walks onto the bus there is no seat open man gets up and lets her have seat. What a sexist! There are many situations of sexism not all are bad or wrong. And some are there to attempt to make up for past wrongs and general wrongs in society. Pretending they don't exist is pointless. Also, the fact that you believe women are better parents makes you sexist. Just because it is against men doesn't make it not sexism. I know many many great fathers and some pretty shitty moms. There are both. Another example of sexism is most sitcoms have a dumb male making mistakes and some smart women who fixes it and helps the man be a better person. Imagine the show everybody loves Raymond with a gender reversal of the two main characters. People would be grabbing their pitchforks! Custody law is the way it is because most men run away from the kid, and the system autocorrects for it. Is it wrong? Sure, lots of things are wrong in this country. But its the way it is because of how men act about being made responsible for beings other than himself. Everybody Loves Raymond is completely sexist to both genders. Raymond is considered stupid while his wife is considered too good for him, but is expected to love him anyway despite never really giving her anything because its not a woman's choice who she is with. Women are expected to stay with people who are ugly, lazy, and spends most of their energy fighting with and harassing them. Because when you're in a bad relationship its not your call to make a better life for yourself, it is the man's call to make that life for you. It is also very sexist of you to assume that she is with him and not her choice. Saying this character has no choice tells more about you than her because she very well could be attracted to him physically, or enjoy his sense of humor, the character is a somewhat famous sports writer so maybe that is her thing. And women are not only expected to stay with people who are less attractive than them, both genders are expected to stay with whoever they marry. It also is interesting that you think that the fights are all his fault, this also shows gender bias.
My guess you didn't watch the show, or listen to what she said in the show. The continual narrative of the show is that she regrets everything, but considers herself stuck with him. Episodes will then come by where she considers other people, but always holds herself back because "he's her husband."
Also--it doesn't actually matter who's faults the fights are. It could all be 100% her fault and that is still reason to leave. Think about it this way. Imagine you're with someone you make fun of for being ugly, who you fight with on a daily basis, whose friends you don't really respect, and whose interests don't line up with your own. Should you stay with that person? At no point did they show her respecting his intelligence, and never had they really had any engaging conversations where they clicked with each other.
Its not sexist to see what happens in front of you and to call it what it is.
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On April 28 2016 06:49 JimmiC wrote:
Your last sentence is correct my whole point from the start is it's sexist to have this narative which is common in many shows of guy the fool and women the smart corrector. And I suggested you switch the gender of the two but keep the narrative and let me know what you think. I guarantee a show where the make lead talks about how ugly the female lead is and so on would not fly
Yes?
But the existence of sexism against men perpetrated by society does not negate the existence of sexism against women. Feminism, as a cause, is focused on the devaluation of the feminine because that is something that is perceived to be an issue. If one believes a similar ordeal is being forced upon men by the institutions of society then you are also welcome to fight that cause as well.
Its not like you can negate one act of evil by the existence of other acts of evil. The hardships of one group does not deny the hardships of other groups.
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Does cracking your knuckles really damage them?
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On April 28 2016 21:36 Incognoto wrote:
Does cracking your knuckles really damage them?
100% of people who cracked their knuckles eventually died. Take that fact for what its worth.
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On April 28 2016 21:36 Incognoto wrote:
Does cracking your knuckles really damage them?
Afaik there is no good scientifical study that has been made on the subject. Personally I don't care and crack them anyway, for the sole reason that my fingers feel more agile once my knuckles are cracked (which is good for typing, gaming, music, and other finger-related stuff).
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