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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
June 04 2015 23:23 GMT
#5481
On June 04 2015 23:35 oGoZenob wrote:
if a stateless person murders another stateless person someone while swimming in international waters, who has the authority to juge him ?


Depends on local law (check general provisions of your national penal code) but I guess any state has the autorithy as long as the murderer is within it's territory.
You're now breathing manually
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
June 04 2015 23:27 GMT
#5482
Pretty sure that trend was invented by girls going after a rich fat men.
TMagpie
Profile Joined June 2015
265 Posts
June 04 2015 23:30 GMT
#5483
On June 05 2015 08:23 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 23:35 oGoZenob wrote:
if a stateless person murders another stateless person someone while swimming in international waters, who has the authority to juge him ?


Depends on local law (check general provisions of your national penal code) but I guess any state has the autorithy as long as the murderer is within it's territory.


International waters has no local law since its shared by all. Stateless would mean no one has to take responsibility for them. This leaves it to large international organizations to take action using abstract terms like "Human Rights" or other such relative intangibles.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
June 04 2015 23:34 GMT
#5484
a couple weeks ago I went to a place that had a message that said "If you have a bad attitude or I just don't like you there will be an extra $10 charge."

Are you legally allowed to do this? It seems like the answer should be no
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
TMagpie
Profile Joined June 2015
265 Posts
June 04 2015 23:43 GMT
#5485
On June 05 2015 08:34 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
a couple weeks ago I went to a place that had a message that said "If you have a bad attitude or I just don't like you there will be an extra $10 charge."

Are you legally allowed to do this? It seems like the answer should be no


There are no laws on prices if it is clearly dictated.

If he didn't have that sign and charged $10 then it is theft. With the sign it is agreed upon--assuming there is a specific product or service he can prove you were asking for. This is usually the rub against signs like that.

For example: I can charge $10,000 for a used condom. And if someone pays for it, then its legally binding. But if I gave someone a used condom, and then demanded $10,000 for it--then it isn't legally binding.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 05 2015 00:38 GMT
#5486
On June 05 2015 06:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
Are you calling Leo's body in that pic in the article "slob" like or is there a different example your thinking of?


Yeah Leo's body in that pic is pretty slobby.
It is terrible to die of thirst at sea. Must you so salt your truth that it will no longer even slake thirst?
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 02:06:11
June 05 2015 02:03 GMT
#5487
On June 05 2015 08:43 TMagpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 08:34 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
a couple weeks ago I went to a place that had a message that said "If you have a bad attitude or I just don't like you there will be an extra $10 charge."

Are you legally allowed to do this? It seems like the answer should be no


There are no laws on prices if it is clearly dictated.

If he didn't have that sign and charged $10 then it is theft. With the sign it is agreed upon--assuming there is a specific product or service he can prove you were asking for. This is usually the rub against signs like that.

For example: I can charge $10,000 for a used condom. And if someone pays for it, then its legally binding. But if I gave someone a used condom, and then demanded $10,000 for it--then it isn't legally binding.


I get the pricing of things it just seems weird to me that you can charge for something subjective like your personal feelings about someone. It seems weird that you can go to the counter (It was a burger place fyi) and randomly be told I don't like you, that will be an additional 10 dollars. although I suppose if it was used in a racist or discriminatory manner then it would be illegal.

If that's how the law works though i guess that's that
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
June 05 2015 04:23 GMT
#5488
Would anyone here consider dating Caitlyn Jenner?
They hate us 'cause they ain't us.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
June 05 2015 04:28 GMT
#5489
Did the Chinese not consider that invaders might have ladders when building the great wall of China?
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Coppermantis
Profile Joined June 2012
United States845 Posts
June 05 2015 04:43 GMT
#5490
Ladders are always a consideration for walls, and have frequently been used in medieval siege warfare (including things like siege towers, etc.) However, while climbing a ladder, the enemy soldiers are extremely vulnerable to being shot with arrows, having things dumped on them like tar or boiling water, or having the ladder itself knocked over.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 05:04:55
June 05 2015 04:53 GMT
#5491
On June 05 2015 13:43 Coppermantis wrote:
Ladders are always a consideration for walls, and have frequently been used in medieval siege warfare (including things like siege towers, etc.) However, while climbing a ladder, the enemy soldiers are extremely vulnerable to being shot with arrows, having things dumped on them like tar or boiling water, or having the ladder itself knocked over.


Plus I assume that a large army would be spotted quite a while away giving China time to rally their own army where they'd already have the high ground. I think a lot of it had to do with the sheer size of the wall also. you'd need a pretty high ladder to actually even get to the top.



I think a lot of the threat too was nomadic tribes which probably didn't think it was worth the time or effort to somehow get across the great wall and merely went with the past of least resistance

also the area containing the great wall did actually change hands a few times. http://www.history.com/topics/great-wall-of-china

I fixed a few things from my initial post since I didn't like what I had originally written
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
helpman176
Profile Blog Joined May 2015
128 Posts
June 05 2015 06:48 GMT
#5492
I have read about the Doomsday Argument which says that there is a 95% chance of extinction within 9,120 years.
I don't quite get how they arrive at this number. Isn't this completely arbitrary?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24394 Posts
June 05 2015 06:50 GMT
#5493
On June 05 2015 15:48 helpman176 wrote:
I have read about the Doomsday Argument which says that there is a 95% chance of extinction within 9,120 years.
I don't quite get how they arrive at this number. Isn't this completely arbitrary?


Well extinctions are reasonably common so saying there's a high chance of one is a pretty safe bet, the time-frame though does seem arbitrary.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
June 05 2015 06:55 GMT
#5494
On June 05 2015 13:28 Epishade wrote:
Did the Chinese not consider that invaders might have ladders when building the great wall of China?

Short answer: No.
It was quite a historical and surprisingly well documented shock when they found out.

This is the main reason why the great wall of china is also known as
"The great flaw of China"
or
"The great facepalm of China"
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
June 05 2015 07:00 GMT
#5495
On June 05 2015 15:48 helpman176 wrote:
I have read about the Doomsday Argument which says that there is a 95% chance of extinction within 9,120 years.
I don't quite get how they arrive at this number. Isn't this completely arbitrary?

Well, the accuracy they imply when they give 3 signficant digits of 9120 is of course exaggerated, but I'm pretty convinced we hit 95% somewhere between 8k and 10k.

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Yes, it's arbitrary. They make some (arbitrary) assumptions and then calculate from that, but the assumptions are pretty wild. However, it is not a number that we will be able to measure in our life time, so no one is about to prove them wrong. Also, no one cares, for the same reason.
Oshuy
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands529 Posts
June 05 2015 07:05 GMT
#5496
On June 05 2015 15:48 helpman176 wrote:
I have read about the Doomsday Argument which says that there is a 95% chance of extinction within 9,120 years.
I don't quite get how they arrive at this number. Isn't this completely arbitrary?


It's a statistical argument (flawed). Suppose humanity goes extinct at some point in the future. The total number of humans from first one to last one is finite.

We can estimate the number of humans born before us: about 60 billion at this point.

Then you set a probability goal. For the argument, they use 95%. You have about 95% chances that you were born in the last 95% of all humans that will ever live, so 95% that the total population is limited to 1200 billion before extinction.

Making the hypothesis that from now on the population stays stable at 10 billion, the 1200 billion are reached in 9120 years.
Coooot
helpman176
Profile Blog Joined May 2015
128 Posts
June 05 2015 07:23 GMT
#5497
Is it flawed because of wrong usage of statistics or because we have reason to believe that we are living in the first 5%?
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
June 05 2015 07:25 GMT
#5498
On June 05 2015 16:05 Oshuy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 15:48 helpman176 wrote:
I have read about the Doomsday Argument which says that there is a 95% chance of extinction within 9,120 years.
I don't quite get how they arrive at this number. Isn't this completely arbitrary?


It's a statistical argument (flawed). Suppose humanity goes extinct at some point in the future. The total number of humans from first one to last one is finite.

We can estimate the number of humans born before us: about 60 billion at this point.

Then you set a probability goal. For the argument, they use 95%. You have about 95% chances that you were born in the last 95% of all humans that will ever live, so 95% that the total population is limited to 1200 billion before extinction.

Making the hypothesis that from now on the population stays stable at 10 billion, the 1200 billion are reached in 9120 years.

Oh, it's THAT approach? I like it! Cute!
Flawed, as you say, but cute!

Not having read about it, I assumed it was a version based on us not having seen any aliens yet. I like this one more, much cleaner.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12038 Posts
June 05 2015 07:26 GMT
#5499
It is also obviously a very silly argument due to selection bias.

Every person at every point in history in any possible future scenario could make that argument. Grog the Cromagnon could have made that argument in 30000 BC.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
June 05 2015 07:30 GMT
#5500
On June 05 2015 16:26 Simberto wrote:
It is also obviously a very silly argument due to selection bias.

Every person at every point in history in any possible future scenario could make that argument. Grog the Cromagnon could have made that argument in 30000 BC.

Grog the Cromagnon wouldn't make any money from it though, people would just tell him to get back to hunting stuff
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