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REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
November 06 2014 16:54 GMT
#3261
On November 07 2014 01:41 Oukka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2014 01:30 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Why do so few RPG games offer spears as weapons?

Spears have probably been the most widely used weapons in human history, from ancient germans over early romans, greeks, persians, indians, chinese to japanese, it's hard to find a single culture in which the spear was not the most important melee weapon.

Instead in most RPGs swords are the most widely used primary weapons when in reality it was often the secondary weapon. It's stupid and would be comparable to FPS games like CS and Arma only featuring pistols and no rifles.

/rant


Power of spears is in the numbers. Tight formations with many spears pointing out means very difficult times for melee opponents. On the other hand a single soldier with a spear is much more vulnerable to someone equipped with a more nimble weapon. In RPGs the characters are usually fighting in smaller numbers or alone.

Partially correct.
In an unarmored or lightly armored duel a spear is still a more dangerous weapon then a swords/axe/hammer.
Versus someone in plate armor a spear is completely useless but then so are most swords save for specialized swords like estocs.

Versus beast or animals which are the most common enemies you would still chose a spear over a sword or a weapon with short reach.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
November 06 2014 17:03 GMT
#3262
spears are for support side characters
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18258 Posts
November 06 2014 17:08 GMT
#3263
On November 07 2014 01:30 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Why do so few RPG games offer spears as weapons?

Spears have probably been the most widely used weapons in human history, from ancient germans over early romans, greeks, persians, indians, chinese to japanese, it's hard to find a single culture in which the spear was not the most important melee weapon.

Instead in most RPGs swords are the most widely used primary weapons when in reality it was often the secondary weapon. It's stupid and would be comparable to FPS games like CS and Arma only featuring pistols and no rifles.

/rant


Two things. Firstly the Romans used swords as their main weapon in war, perhaps rpq characters are modeled after Roman infantry?

Secondly, in close quarters and indoor fighting, swords are far more useful than spears. Most rpgs have significant amounts of dungeon crawling, when you wouldn't be able to effectively wield your spear.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11798 Posts
November 06 2014 17:21 GMT
#3264
Don't forget that swords are this big symbol of rightful strength etc (Pulling the sword from the stone, Justitia, and many more), while spears are never really seen as something impressive. So of course people want to be the cool guy with the sword, not the random guy with some spear.
StreetWise
Profile Joined January 2010
United States594 Posts
November 06 2014 18:21 GMT
#3265
Should I buy Blizzcon virtual ticket in hope of getting sc2 LOTV beta key? What are the odds?
I will not be poisoned by your bitterness
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
November 06 2014 18:23 GMT
#3266
On November 07 2014 02:08 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2014 01:30 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Why do so few RPG games offer spears as weapons?

Spears have probably been the most widely used weapons in human history, from ancient germans over early romans, greeks, persians, indians, chinese to japanese, it's hard to find a single culture in which the spear was not the most important melee weapon.

Instead in most RPGs swords are the most widely used primary weapons when in reality it was often the secondary weapon. It's stupid and would be comparable to FPS games like CS and Arma only featuring pistols and no rifles.

/rant


Two things. Firstly the Romans used swords as their main weapon in war, perhaps rpq characters are modeled after Roman infantry?

Secondly, in close quarters and indoor fighting, swords are far more useful than spears. Most rpgs have significant amounts of dungeon crawling, when you wouldn't be able to effectively wield your spear.

About the roman infantry mainly using swords:
It is still unknown when exactly the sword started becoming more popular for roman legions then the spear.
During the early republic Romans fought in Greek phalanx style with hoplite equipment.
After the roman defeat in the Samnite Wars (around 300bc) they adopted the Samnite manipular system and of the 3 troop types of hastati, principes and triarii both principes and triarii were armed with hastas(spears) in the beginning. At some later point, which is unknown as far as I know, principes also started using swords and only triarii remained as spear fighters.
After the Marian reform in 107BC it is sure that most troops used swords as their main weapon.
This changed again at the end of the early roman Empire period.

So as you see Romans used swords as their primary infantry weapon during the late Republic and early Empire period. Before that and during the middle and late roman empire period they used mainly spears.

On November 07 2014 02:21 Simberto wrote:
Don't forget that swords are this big symbol of rightful strength etc (Pulling the sword from the stone, Justitia, and many more), while spears are never really seen as something impressive. So of course people want to be the cool guy with the sword, not the random guy with some spear.

There are also some legandary spears like Athena's or Odin's spear. In China the spear was also regarded as the "King of Weapons". But it is true that in later european history the sword had much stronger symbolism then the spear.
Still not just random poor people fought with spears it was also the weapon of legendary warriors like Achilleus, Odysseus etc


Okay this is enough arguing about spears for me :D
I don't want to portrait the spear as the best weapon possible in all scenarios, of course there are situations were a spear would not be a good choice of weapon but it would be nice if you at least had the option to chose a spear in RPG games, which many games don't offer at all
jetburger
Profile Joined December 2011
United States87 Posts
November 06 2014 18:24 GMT
#3267
Just out of curiosity, since I have already resolved this issue with a phone call...

Context: I bought a used car from a small dealership in Washington State. My monthly payment is $255. For the months of April, May, June, July, August, and September I have been making payments of $300 (over-paying by $45). So at that point I was $270 overpaid.

For October, I did not receive an invoice from them and so I made the assumption that they were simply skipping that month since I was overpaid. Now in November's invoice I see that their accountant is attempting to charge me $560 (includes $255 for the missing October payment plus a $50 late fee).

Like I said, this has already been resolved; the guy agreed that there would be no late fee and I could make a payment as low as $240 if I wanted to. But just out of curiosity, does he actually have the right to charge me a late fee? Because he insisted on that right earlier on in our phone conversation. After reading the fine print of the contract several times, it is still unclear to me which is why I ask TL.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45457 Posts
November 06 2014 20:22 GMT
#3268
On November 07 2014 03:24 jetburger wrote:
Just out of curiosity, since I have already resolved this issue with a phone call...

Context: I bought a used car from a small dealership in Washington State. My monthly payment is $255. For the months of April, May, June, July, August, and September I have been making payments of $300 (over-paying by $45). So at that point I was $270 overpaid.

For October, I did not receive an invoice from them and so I made the assumption that they were simply skipping that month since I was overpaid. Now in November's invoice I see that their accountant is attempting to charge me $560 (includes $255 for the missing October payment plus a $50 late fee).

Like I said, this has already been resolved; the guy agreed that there would be no late fee and I could make a payment as low as $240 if I wanted to. But just out of curiosity, does he actually have the right to charge me a late fee? Because he insisted on that right earlier on in our phone conversation. After reading the fine print of the contract several times, it is still unclear to me which is why I ask TL.


Sounds like he does have that right, because it was never clarified that you got to take the month off for your payment (even though you paid extra in previous months).

Why did you pay them $300 instead of $255 for the first few months anyway? It sounds like you gave them extra money for no reason, or that you assumed you could pay-it-forward for an eventual month.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
waffelz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Germany711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-06 20:42:07
November 06 2014 20:41 GMT
#3269
On November 07 2014 01:54 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Partially correct.
In an unarmored or lightly armored duel a spear is still a more dangerous weapon then a swords/axe/hammer.
Versus someone in plate armor a spear is completely useless but then so are most swords save for specialized swords like estocs.

Versus beast or animals which are the most common enemies you would still chose a spear over a sword or a weapon with short reach.


Only patially correct. You can hold pretty much any sword with two hands on the blade, the grip, which often holds some metalball/in general is somewhat bulky for counterbalance can be used as a devastating mace that way. In general, you either bash the head of your opponent in platemail with it, or fight regularly with your sword until you get your enemy to the ground in some way, then you give him his free concussion. Since I am interested into european medival martial arts since a long time, I know that even a onehanded sword can be used that way to kill an enemy in full plate, if he is wearing an authentic armor (today it would be possible for a knights helmet to withstand that type of attack, but the helmets at that time couldnt deal with that). When using a bastard-sword or 2-handed sword, you often could even get enough of an impact thorugh leverage to deform weak parts of the armor of your opponent, leaving him unable to breathe or limited in movement (without breaking the armor of course. dealing damage that goes over deforming the armor and even breaking it with such an blunt impact is almost impossible, at least with a sword). While a plate armor of course is very good for protection against most medival weaponss, most swords are still far from useless, even though they surely are at a disadvantage in comparison to a proper mace, warhammer, specialised sword or a special kind of axe (cant remember the name, and dont know how it is called in english. basicly, it looks a little bit like a lighter warhammer, with a longer pole and an axe-part on one side, as well as a thick needle at the head of the pole.)
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
November 06 2014 21:01 GMT
#3270
That flying guy with a spear in Tactics Ogre was a badass.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-07 00:08:25
November 07 2014 00:07 GMT
#3271
On November 07 2014 05:41 waffelz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2014 01:54 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Partially correct.
In an unarmored or lightly armored duel a spear is still a more dangerous weapon then a swords/axe/hammer.
Versus someone in plate armor a spear is completely useless but then so are most swords save for specialized swords like estocs.

Versus beast or animals which are the most common enemies you would still chose a spear over a sword or a weapon with short reach.


Only patially correct. You can hold pretty much any sword with two hands on the blade, the grip, which often holds some metalball/in general is somewhat bulky for counterbalance can be used as a devastating mace that way. In general, you either bash the head of your opponent in platemail with it, or fight regularly with your sword until you get your enemy to the ground in some way, then you give him his free concussion. Since I am interested into european medival martial arts since a long time, I know that even a onehanded sword can be used that way to kill an enemy in full plate, if he is wearing an authentic armor (today it would be possible for a knights helmet to withstand that type of attack, but the helmets at that time couldnt deal with that). When using a bastard-sword or 2-handed sword, you often could even get enough of an impact thorugh leverage to deform weak parts of the armor of your opponent, leaving him unable to breathe or limited in movement (without breaking the armor of course. dealing damage that goes over deforming the armor and even breaking it with such an blunt impact is almost impossible, at least with a sword). While a plate armor of course is very good for protection against most medival weaponss, most swords are still far from useless, even though they surely are at a disadvantage in comparison to a proper mace, warhammer, specialised sword or a special kind of axe (cant remember the name, and dont know how it is called in english. basicly, it looks a little bit like a lighter warhammer, with a longer pole and an axe-part on one side, as well as a thick needle at the head of the pole.)

Cool bro, I am also interested in HEMA.
You are totally correct with what you said.
I just tried to keep it simple because I didn't want to write a longer text and because most games don't offer options for halfswording, pommel stikes or using your 2handed sword or similar long weapon as a lever to make an opponent in full plate fall.
I just meant normal slashing attacks are completely useless versus full plate armor and thrusting attacks without halfswording you have to be extremely good/lucky to hit a gap in the armor and be successful with it. Basically for example the sword attacking animations in Skyrim for example would be almost useless versus full plate armor.

I think the word you are looking for is Pollaxe (Mordaxt).
miky_ardiente
Profile Joined May 2010
Mexico387 Posts
November 07 2014 00:08 GMT
#3272
On November 06 2014 15:25 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 13:35 miky_ardiente wrote:
whats the optimal/ideal ratio of trees:men and, is there enough available space in the planet to plant the necessary amount of trees to cover the deficit ?

I found the two following interesting links, from that you can calculate it.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96758439 current amount of trees
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/co2-carbon-dioxide-emissions,5358.html trees that need to get added

Thank you

stupid questions now: is nicky minaj ass real or did she consume those japanese hormones cookies ?
wich ass is better ? nicky or kimkardashian or another ?

is it true that we only use 10% percent of our brain?
My anaconda dont want none... u know the rest
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-07 00:30:56
November 07 2014 00:30 GMT
#3273
On November 07 2014 09:08 miky_ardiente wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 15:25 Yurie wrote:
On November 06 2014 13:35 miky_ardiente wrote:
whats the optimal/ideal ratio of trees:men and, is there enough available space in the planet to plant the necessary amount of trees to cover the deficit ?

I found the two following interesting links, from that you can calculate it.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96758439 current amount of trees
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/co2-carbon-dioxide-emissions,5358.html trees that need to get added



is it true that we only use 10% percent of our brain?


no, it's a myth though I have to admit I dont mind it when I get to see Scarlett Johanson on the movie screen in exchange
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
November 07 2014 00:51 GMT
#3274
On November 07 2014 09:08 miky_ardiente wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2014 15:25 Yurie wrote:
On November 06 2014 13:35 miky_ardiente wrote:
whats the optimal/ideal ratio of trees:men and, is there enough available space in the planet to plant the necessary amount of trees to cover the deficit ?

I found the two following interesting links, from that you can calculate it.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96758439 current amount of trees
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/co2-carbon-dioxide-emissions,5358.html trees that need to get added

Thank you

stupid questions now: is nicky minaj ass real or did she consume those japanese hormones cookies ?
wich ass is better ? nicky or kimkardashian or another ?

is it true that we only use 10% percent of our brain?


I've heard about 10% at any one time, but I can't remember any sources so this might be bullshit as well. Over the course of a day you use pretty much 100%.
In Somnis Veritas
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
November 07 2014 01:07 GMT
#3275
This isn't a stupid question (or maybe it is) but I was researching a topic for publication and I was wondering this:

Why is PPLI legal? It provides extensive tax evasion and allows the rich to stay rich. I don't understand?
miky_ardiente
Profile Joined May 2010
Mexico387 Posts
November 07 2014 01:44 GMT
#3276
On November 07 2014 10:07 parkufarku wrote:
This isn't a stupid question (or maybe it is) but I was researching a topic for publication and I was wondering this:

Why is PPLI legal? It provides extensive tax evasion and allows the rich to stay rich. I don't understand?
not a stupid question but maybe u should ask it on a lawyers or tax accountants forum

only found this
http://shorex.com/expert-opinion/item/63-u-s-government-cracking-down-on-tax-evasion-through-swiss-insurance#.VFwjYMni_Ig
http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303775504579396514114519286

My anaconda dont want none... u know the rest
miky_ardiente
Profile Joined May 2010
Mexico387 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-07 01:46:18
November 07 2014 01:46 GMT
#3277
thanks for the replies, any info on nicky minaj ass.... i mean come on!!
My anaconda dont want none... u know the rest
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
November 07 2014 01:51 GMT
#3278
On November 07 2014 10:46 miky_ardiente wrote:
thanks for the replies, any info on nicky minaj ass.... i mean come on!!

I think she got implants in her ass.
In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
jetburger
Profile Joined December 2011
United States87 Posts
November 07 2014 03:32 GMT
#3279
On November 07 2014 05:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2014 03:24 jetburger wrote:
Just out of curiosity, since I have already resolved this issue with a phone call...

Context: I bought a used car from a small dealership in Washington State. My monthly payment is $255. For the months of April, May, June, July, August, and September I have been making payments of $300 (over-paying by $45). So at that point I was $270 overpaid.

For October, I did not receive an invoice from them and so I made the assumption that they were simply skipping that month since I was overpaid. Now in November's invoice I see that their accountant is attempting to charge me $560 (includes $255 for the missing October payment plus a $50 late fee).

Like I said, this has already been resolved; the guy agreed that there would be no late fee and I could make a payment as low as $240 if I wanted to. But just out of curiosity, does he actually have the right to charge me a late fee? Because he insisted on that right earlier on in our phone conversation. After reading the fine print of the contract several times, it is still unclear to me which is why I ask TL.


Sounds like he does have that right, because it was never clarified that you got to take the month off for your payment (even though you paid extra in previous months).

Why did you pay them $300 instead of $255 for the first few months anyway? It sounds like you gave them extra money for no reason, or that you assumed you could pay-it-forward for an eventual month.


If true, it's kinda silly that in my opinion that the law works that way. But whatever. Technicalities.

I'm overpaying in order to get out of this debt sooner and officially own the car sooner, not for the pay-it-forward cushion.
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
November 07 2014 04:10 GMT
#3280
On November 07 2014 09:51 Pursuit_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2014 09:08 miky_ardiente wrote:
On November 06 2014 15:25 Yurie wrote:
On November 06 2014 13:35 miky_ardiente wrote:
whats the optimal/ideal ratio of trees:men and, is there enough available space in the planet to plant the necessary amount of trees to cover the deficit ?

I found the two following interesting links, from that you can calculate it.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96758439 current amount of trees
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/co2-carbon-dioxide-emissions,5358.html trees that need to get added

Thank you

stupid questions now: is nicky minaj ass real or did she consume those japanese hormones cookies ?
wich ass is better ? nicky or kimkardashian or another ?

is it true that we only use 10% percent of our brain?


I've heard about 10% at any one time, but I can't remember any sources so this might be bullshit as well. Over the course of a day you use pretty much 100%.


Something like 10% of your neurons are firing at any given point, but they have a cooldown and over time you do use 100% of your brain.
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