[Health and Nutrition]: The last fucking 5 pounds - Page 5

If you can listen to this guy, then you've done more than I could.

On June 12 2011 04:03 iNSiPiD1 wrote:


If that comment is a jab at him because of the way he looks/speaks then I really shouldn't even comment of the rest of what you wrote, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I find him entertaining to be honest.

The post you linked looks really comprehensive and I didn't read through the entire thing. However if you want to narrow in on specifics for me I'll look at what you mean. I'm guessing it has to do with the whole grains comment you made?

He doesn't recommend you eat ONLY 6 meals of protein, but he does recommend you eat protein at every meal. He recommends making sure you get enough protein, carbs, fiber, and calories at every meal, and that they are of quality. The reason he recommends eating protein at every meal is because if you're working out you need a steady stream of protein throughout the day so your muscles can repair, not just a huge concentration a couple times.

If you wouldn't mind, what is wrong with eating 6 times a day? This is exactly what my body has tended toward naturally, before I ever heard about Scooby. The whole eating 3 square a day never sat well with me, and if I tried the diet you listed I think I wouldn't feel good at all.

He promotes healthy eating, cardio, and exercise. Maybe his plan wont work for you, but it's the best I've come across in my entire life, and I've been involved in this subject my entire life. Was just trying to help.

On June 12 2011 03:22 yeaitooted wrote:
I work out religiously and i read the forums a lot and the general rule to cut is x10 your body weight in calories. Also i have read your post and it is a bit confusing to me so ill just give you what i know. If your having a hard time losing the last bit of fat try 40/40/20 , and ketos diet. Mix it up throughout the week say 40/40/20 mon-wensday, ketos thursday-saturday CARB load on sunday. Carb load day is a must and you should aim at maintenance level in calorie intake or a bit above. Make sure on monday you do your cardio day as its been suggested better, (after a carb load day) i have no concrete information on this though but its no harm doing it. You have to mix constantly mix up your diet to confuse your body. Another note is since your at the last stretching point of weight loss you might need 2 carb load days out of the week.

On June 12 2011 04:17 Catch wrote:


Eh my bad, I just personally can't stand the guy.

And yes, the comment has to do with whole grains, dairy/saturated fats, along with a few other things. I recommend reading just the conclusions if you get the chance; you can read through the study but the conclusions are only about a paragraph.

Well then, I apologize, because I basically thought he meant something else. I figured that he meant you had to eat 6 meals with protein to keep your metabolism up and your muscles sparred. I should of read it more, and for that I apologize. There is nothing wrong with six meals a day, but there isn't anything wrong with three either. The only reason I ever say anything about that is for people who believe that they need to do it or else everything will go to crap over night. Again, I apologize for not making myself clear enough and not reading it enough :D

You helped for sure! I didn't mean to put you down buddy, sorry my message came across as an asshole. Maybe I'll even check out his site a little closer now and give him a fair chance this time around.

EDIT: Alright, I started reading some of the articles and I take back my statements about the guy. Thanks for the link, I'll be reading it later!

On June 12 2011 03:59 phyre112 wrote:


This is bullshit. "energy saving mode" doesn't happen until you haven't eaten for over 72 hours; in fact if anything, your metabolic rate is increased in a fast shorter than 72 hours, mostly due to increased adrenaline. I don't know about "increased life span" - I'd like to see some studies on your "widely proven" information.



extremely low carb diets such as atkins or "keto" diets are famous for their side effect of not being able to maintain an intense workout level in most people. If you're doing cardio now and switch to this type of diet, expect your distance and speed to suffer greatly.

I'd really recommend that people looking for health and nutrition advice take travis's suggestion and check out the health and fitness thread in the community forum. There's currently 350+ pages of great information, and we're looking into getting a subforum now.

On June 12 2011 05:24 TheGreatWhiteHope_ wrote: Carbohydrates should compose 50% of your calories

On June 12 2011 03:59 phyre112 wrote:


This is bullshit. "energy saving mode" doesn't happen until you haven't eaten for over 72 hours; in fact if anything, your metabolic rate is increased in a fast shorter than 72 hours, mostly due to increased adrenaline. I don't know about "increased life span" - I'd like to see some studies on your "widely proven" information.



extremely low carb diets such as atkins or "keto" diets are famous for their side effect of not being able to maintain an intense workout level in most people. If you're doing cardio now and switch to this type of diet, expect your distance and speed to suffer greatly.

I'd really recommend that people looking for health and nutrition advice take travis's suggestion and check out the health and fitness thread in the community forum. There's currently 350+ pages of great information, and we're looking into getting a subforum now.

On June 12 2011 05:24 TheGreatWhiteHope_ wrote:
You are getting a lot of bad advice in this thread. I minored in nutrition and have played D1 collegiate ball where we had access to a personal nutritionist for free(she was the nutritionist for the Oakland Raiders, American Football team for you foreigners).

Before I get started, congratulations on losing that much weight. However, given that you lost that much weight in such a short amount of time, it leads me to believe you lost a lot of muscle as well as fat(commonly occurs with "crash dieting").

First of all, nutrition.

You should never feel like you are starving yourself, even during dieting. This is counterproductive to your goals(which I assume are): to lose weight, and to look good. Reason being is that whenever you starve yourself by going more than 3-4 hours(time depends on height/weight/activity level) without eating, your body does not know when your next meal is going to be so it goes into "defense mode": metabolism slows down and your body seeks to preserve your fat stores by not only using fat as a caloric source but muscle as well!!! Depending on what study you read, working out(cardiovascular AND weight resistance) while dieting causes the body to lose higher percentages of fat than muscle, leading to the "ideal physique".

Moving on to weight loss goals, if you want to lose 10 more pounds(of fat) aim at losing 2 pounds a week for 5 weeks. If you have lost more than 2 pounds in a week(aside: only weigh yourself once a week on the same day, typically in the morning before breakfeast with minimal clothing) then you have most likely lost water or muscle weight in addition to fat. Given your height ,weight, and activity level(what's your age?) your BMR should be around 1800 calories a day. Basal Metabolic Rate is essentially the amount of calories you expend every day if you were to sit still and do nothing but breathe all day, I added 200 calories for 1 hour of bicycle cardio. For your diet, I would suggest spacing out your meals and eating 6 times a day in this order: Meal/Snack/Meal/Snack/Meal/Snack. Spacing out your meals will keep your glycogen levels up and keep you energetic, while not yo-yoing your metabolism. Make sure to time your workouts shortly after a meal and between a snack, these are the times your body need nutrients the most. Aim to reduce your calories by about 300-500 of your BMR each day (largely depends on how hard you worked out that day/your hypothalamus gland's sensitivity to hunger) which will lead to about 2 pounds of good weight loss a week.

As far as specific foods go, it's very hard to eat all the "good" foods for you on such a small caloric intake diet, so I always recommend dieters to make up the deficit with a multi-vitamin(they are all pretty much the same). As far as protein intake goes: take your weight in kg(lbs/2.2=kg if you need a conversion) and multiply it by 1.8, that is your daily need of protein in grams. Protein should comprise 35-40% of your calories. Carbohydrates should compose 50% of your calories, white bread and other high glycemic carbohydrates are best for breakfeast and directly following workouts while wheats and low glycemic foods are better before workouts and for dinner. Fat should compose 15% of your diet. Stay away from saturated fat like butter/margarine as much as possible.

Second of all, working out.

I won't go into too much detail because it seems like you care more about just losing the weight. However, if you want to lose fat and gain muscle it would behoove you work weighted resistance training into your cardio routine. Machines tend to "do the work for you" so I would steer clear of those and concentrate on the core olympic lifts after you finish cycling/running/jogging. If you want specific advice please ask because there is just too much information to type if I don't know what your experience/goals are.

On June 12 2011 06:23 xarthaz wrote:

extremely low carb diets such as atkins or "keto" diets are famous for their side effect of not being able to maintain an intense workout level in most people. If you're doing cardio now and switch to this type of diet, expect your distance and speed to suffer greatly

On June 11 2011 23:18 caruso wrote:

I've restricted myself to 1200 calories a day while doing 1 hour of working out and I haven't dropped a gram in 6 months.

What am I doing wrong?

On June 12 2011 06:28 ayadew wrote:


Really? Works just fine for me. Maybe you should try it yourself and not rely on studies that confuses correlation with causation?
I have more energy
No stomach pains
No farting
Never hungry - eat 2 times a day
Feeling better in every way
Been doing it for 2 years

I've lived on the old school carbohydrate diet for 11/12ths of my life. I have experience with your view, and yet, I prefer what I do now. Strange? How can the answer not be obvious?

These shitstorms around people finding out what proper food is.. so sad

On June 12 2011 05:58 ayadew wrote:


Calling us stupid and bolding your answer doesn't make it more right. Carbohydrates are a dying school, we will look back upon these days in 20 years and pity all the misery we could have prevented by just eating fat instead. I encourage you to open your mind and take a look at how your body is actually feeling, then you'll know what is right - regardless of what your fine schooling tells you.

THIS is bs btw. The warrior diet of eating once every 24 hours works great, saves time, maintains athletic ability. Unless youre a bodybuilder its in no way detrimental to fitness capability.

The amount of meals per day is overrated in general, doesnt make much difference. The good thing about warrior diet though is that it stimulates central nervous system and makes people more productive. And its true to the roots of human diet.

On June 12 2011 06:47 iNSiPiD1 wrote:


ayadew, I'm interested in some articles relating to why carbohydrates are so horrible for the human body. I tried looking for some online but I only came across articles that don't look upon carbs from the doomsday perspective that you're painting here.

On June 12 2011 06:57 TheGreatWhiteHope_ wrote:


That last bolded part made me chuckle, "Scientific evidence and studies in controlled enviroments, NO! My own anecdotal/uneducated preference, YES."

While eating more fat in place of carbohydrates would work for a more sedentary individual who does not need full glycogen stores for activity, this would sort of work as long as they did not exceed BMR. I don't see what your beef with carbohydrates is, excess calories(whether fat/carbs/protein) always turn back into fat.

On June 12 2011 07:08 ayadew wrote:


You will find this whole site illuminating, this article in particular. Mark Sission quotes many articles accurately

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/



You don't need glycogen stores, in fact, you can't have any because the cells are made to store fat. So why do people get fat? Excess calories only turns into fatness if the cells can't release their fat, if there is sugar in the blood so insulin is blocking. Where does insulin come from? It is created by the body to take care of the toxic blood sugar, glycogen, created by shitty food. Guess why glycogen is called "secondary".

On June 12 2011 04:10 ayadew wrote:
What did cavemen eat for 1.5 million years? Grains? No. Pasta? No. Potatoes? No. They ate fat, protein and vegetables. They were healthy (except they died from predators and hazards pretty early in their life). We don't have these hazards.